Comments on: Writing History’s Wrongs http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Scaeo http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-43132 Scaeo Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:10:13 +0000 #comment-43132 I think we should all just look it up for ourselves with people from different views of this and let them debate about it. You should never trust the media because they will push their own idea of what they want you believe. I think we should all just look it up for ourselves with people from different views of this and let them debate about it. You should never trust the media because they will push their own idea of what they want you believe.

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-39576 JJWFromME Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:17:19 +0000 #comment-39576 As usual, conservatives broadcast a very small minority of experts, whom the rest of the community regards as flat earth advocates. They did the same thing with climate change science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio#t=53m13s You just hope that the adults arrive on the scene so we can actually fix the problem, as opposed to spending all our time and energy on phony arguments that distract the public. As usual, conservatives broadcast a very small minority of experts, whom the rest of the community regards as flat earth advocates. They did the same thing with climate change science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio#t=53m13s
You just hope that the adults arrive on the scene so we can actually fix the problem, as opposed to spending all our time and energy on phony arguments that distract the public.

]]> By: Neo http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-38664 Neo Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:29:53 +0000 #comment-38664 Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

]]> By: Neo http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-38501 Neo Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:24:42 +0000 #comment-38501 George Bush brought a new tone to Washington, but Washington didn't return the favor. Instead it saw his gentlemen-like behaviour as weakness .. to be exploited .. and exploited it was. It's the economy .. stupid. The hard fact is that while the current financial mess is bipartisan (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought off nearly everybody in both parties) in it's Genesis, but in the minds of the vast majority of the American people, it is now identified as a Republican mess .. a Hoover redux .. with many of the original progenitors now in control (to repeating the mess all over again). Silence may be Golden, but what the public doesn't know .. they will never know. George Bush brought a new tone to Washington, but Washington didn’t return the favor.
Instead it saw his gentlemen-like behaviour as weakness .. to be exploited .. and exploited it was.
It’s the economy .. stupid.
The hard fact is that while the current financial mess is bipartisan (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought off nearly everybody in both parties) in it’s Genesis, but in the minds of the vast majority of the American people, it is now identified as a Republican mess .. a Hoover redux .. with many of the original progenitors now in control (to repeating the mess all over again).
Silence may be Golden, but what the public doesn’t know .. they will never know.

]]> By: eman123 http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-46588 eman123 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:58:55 +0000 #comment-46588 Why is there revisionism going on here about the new deal. What about FDIC insurance? Do you not think that it is currently a useful program? During the depression, state governors had shut down every bank and every bank account was frozen--no one could get a bank loan or cash checks or get at their deposits. Moreover, the programs brought unemployment down from 25 percent to 12 percent. And what ended the depression? It's not your magical free market but WWII which involved more goverment spending. The market is a great thing but it's not perfect because it is still controlled by human beings. During emergencies it is imperative that the goverment acts. Why is there revisionism going on here about the new deal. What about FDIC insurance? Do you not think that it is currently a useful program? During the depression, state governors had shut down every bank and every bank account was frozen–no one could get a bank loan or cash checks or get at their deposits. Moreover, the programs brought unemployment down from 25 percent to 12 percent. And what ended the depression? It’s not your magical free market but WWII which involved more goverment spending. The market is a great thing but it’s not perfect because it is still controlled by human beings. During emergencies it is imperative that the goverment acts.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-54974 sinz54 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:11:58 +0000 #comment-54974 I think one more thing that does not reflect well on Hoover, was that Hoover was a Quaker pacifist and an isolationist. He opposed sanctions against Japan for their invasion of Manchuria in 1931. He had endorsed Chamberlain's giveaway of the Sudetenland to Hitler in 1938. He believed that Nazi Germany would always find peaceful trade with other nations worth more than conquest by war, and he said so publicly. Finally, he said that the greatest force for peace was public opinion--not a strong national defense. I doubt if George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, or Senator McCain would agree with that. Even Barack Obama has not gone so far. I think one more thing that does not reflect well on Hoover, was that Hoover was a Quaker pacifist and an isolationist. He opposed sanctions against Japan for their invasion of Manchuria in 1931. He had endorsed Chamberlain’s giveaway of the Sudetenland to Hitler in 1938. He believed that Nazi Germany would always find peaceful trade with other nations worth more than conquest by war, and he said so publicly. Finally, he said that the greatest force for peace was public opinion–not a strong national defense.

I doubt if George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, or Senator McCain would agree with that. Even Barack Obama has not gone so far.

]]> By: dkarras http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-47968 dkarras Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:55:00 +0000 #comment-47968 Interesting piece Margaret, and I'm glad to see you're a part of this new venture! If President Bush hopes that history will vindicate his policies, I think he has to jump-start the analysis by doing what he did not do during his presidency -- "devote time to image tending" and "public perception" as you say. Writing his book, creating his 'policy center' and continuing to do interviews of the kind he did during the final weeks of his presidency are essential if he wants history to judge him favorably. Interesting piece Margaret, and I’m glad to see you’re a part of this new venture! If President Bush hopes that history will vindicate his policies, I think he has to jump-start the analysis by doing what he did not do during his presidency — “devote time to image tending” and “public perception” as you say. Writing his book, creating his ‘policy center’ and continuing to do interviews of the kind he did during the final weeks of his presidency are essential if he wants history to judge him favorably.

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-53689 JJWFromME Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:21:28 +0000 #comment-53689 Writing wrongs indeed. Writing wrongs indeed.

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-40397 JJWFromME Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:05:18 +0000 #comment-40397 You said: "New Deal economics failed to fix the Depression, and likely contributed to making it "Great"." Unfortunately, this is Republican propaganda. See: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/lessons-from-th.html You said: “New Deal economics failed to fix the Depression, and likely contributed to making it “Great”.”

Unfortunately, this is Republican propaganda. See: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/11/lessons-from-th.html

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/writing-historys-wrongs/comment-page-1#comment-47815 JJWFromME Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:02:03 +0000 #comment-47815 It would help if Hoover didn't have a "liquidationist" as Treasury Secretary: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/rottenness/ "Explanations exist: they have existed for all times, for there is always an easy solution to every problem neat, plausible and wrong." --H. L. Mencken. This applies well to the reigning market fundamentalism we've had under Bush. It would help if Hoover didn’t have a “liquidationist” as Treasury Secretary: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/rottenness/
“Explanations exist: they have existed for all times, for there is always an easy solution to every problem neat, plausible and wrong.” –H. L. Mencken. This applies well to the reigning market fundamentalism we’ve had under Bush.

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