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		<title>By: talldude</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/whats-talk-radio-done-for-us-lately/comment-page-1#comment-41714</link>
		<dc:creator>talldude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And citing voting percentages over time with different candidates and situations as well as third-party candidates in two of them,namely Ross Perot, 48% is pretty good Omitting the Democratic numbers may be an indication those numbers are worse. &quot;

I think you didn&#039;t read the article very closely.   It said the Republican share of the TWO-PARTY vote was 48%.  That means that the third party results had already been factored out of the equation and that the Democratic share was 52%.  

Face it, the Republicans are 1-3-1 over the last 5 elections.  2000 was for all intents and purposes a tie.  Bush got lucky with the things in Palm Beach county, etc but it could have just as easily gone the other way.  2004 was a clear Republican win but still a relatively tight margin.  The Dems won each of their 3 elections by 7 points or more.

Its about time for the Republican party to wake up and realize that the 80s are over.  The WW2 generation was one of the most conservative in US history and they formed the backbone of the Nixon/Reagan success but they have been dying recently and large majorities of the people turning 18 are socially liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And citing voting percentages over time with different candidates and situations as well as third-party candidates in two of them,namely Ross Perot, 48% is pretty good Omitting the Democratic numbers may be an indication those numbers are worse. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think you didn&#8217;t read the article very closely.   It said the Republican share of the TWO-PARTY vote was 48%.  That means that the third party results had already been factored out of the equation and that the Democratic share was 52%.  </p>
<p>Face it, the Republicans are 1-3-1 over the last 5 elections.  2000 was for all intents and purposes a tie.  Bush got lucky with the things in Palm Beach county, etc but it could have just as easily gone the other way.  2004 was a clear Republican win but still a relatively tight margin.  The Dems won each of their 3 elections by 7 points or more.</p>
<p>Its about time for the Republican party to wake up and realize that the 80s are over.  The WW2 generation was one of the most conservative in US history and they formed the backbone of the Nixon/Reagan success but they have been dying recently and large majorities of the people turning 18 are socially liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: talldude</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Captain America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Pavelyev...With all due respect, don&#039;t waste time and energy attacking &quot;family&quot; while the President shakes the very foundations of our capitalist system and way of life.  Forget statistics, forget elections... why would you attack the only...ONLY media (besides FOX and a crumb or two on CNN) that gives conservative ideas a forum?  Doesn&#039;t everyone realize that this whole faux controversy was orchestrated by the White House in the first place?  Sure, Limbaugh should have chosen his words more carefully, but any thinking person knows what he was trying to say.  With Emmanuel and others endlessly quoting him out of context Obama and Pelosi have exactly what they need...cover in the face of a tanking economy (because of their ineptitude) and Republicans eating their own.  Lets get smarter and focus on the 20 trillion dollar problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Pavelyev&#8230;With all due respect, don&#8217;t waste time and energy attacking &#8220;family&#8221; while the President shakes the very foundations of our capitalist system and way of life.  Forget statistics, forget elections&#8230; why would you attack the only&#8230;ONLY media (besides FOX and a crumb or two on CNN) that gives conservative ideas a forum?  Doesn&#8217;t everyone realize that this whole faux controversy was orchestrated by the White House in the first place?  Sure, Limbaugh should have chosen his words more carefully, but any thinking person knows what he was trying to say.  With Emmanuel and others endlessly quoting him out of context Obama and Pelosi have exactly what they need&#8230;cover in the face of a tanking economy (because of their ineptitude) and Republicans eating their own.  Lets get smarter and focus on the 20 trillion dollar problem</p>
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		<title>By: ChristianMiller</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Then they will lose again. I&#039;m already used to it because McCain is the model and Obama is the result. And it hurt the &quot;fiscal republicans&quot; the most because the stock market tanked. Social conservatives aren&#039;t generally very wealthy. Bush the &#039;compassionate conservative&quot; started all this in motion along with years of Clinton and Democrats of course. When you have a choice between let&#039;s say Jindal and Obama, who do YOU vote for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Then they will lose again. I&#8217;m already used to it because McCain is the model and Obama is the result. And it hurt the &#8220;fiscal republicans&#8221; the most because the stock market tanked. Social conservatives aren&#8217;t generally very wealthy. Bush the &#8216;compassionate conservative&#8221; started all this in motion along with years of Clinton and Democrats of course. When you have a choice between let&#8217;s say Jindal and Obama, who do YOU vote for?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franco:  Your threats are not going to change our basic point:  We definitely want to &quot;stick with you&quot; in one national party; and together let&#039;s take on the Dems, even in their home turf. But we don&#039;t want you and Limbaugh&#039;s dittoheads to dictate the GOP&#039;s platform anymore.  The kind of platform we&#039;re envisioning is going to have items in it that the dittoheads won&#039;t like.  It&#039;s going to have items in it that the GOP base in the Deep South won&#039;t like.  Get used to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franco:  Your threats are not going to change our basic point:  We definitely want to &#8220;stick with you&#8221; in one national party; and together let&#8217;s take on the Dems, even in their home turf. But we don&#8217;t want you and Limbaugh&#8217;s dittoheads to dictate the GOP&#8217;s platform anymore.  The kind of platform we&#8217;re envisioning is going to have items in it that the dittoheads won&#8217;t like.  It&#8217;s going to have items in it that the GOP base in the Deep South won&#8217;t like.  Get used to it!</p>
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		<title>By: Advocate123</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer: Talk Radio has educated and articulated a Conservative message to the largest audience in America why they should vote for the Republican Party.

Without talk radio, most of the public would be in darkness as to what is happening with the Government.

A new Pew poll demonstrated that Rush Limbaugh had the most informed audience when compared to CBS News, ABC News, NBC News, MSNBC, etc.

The fact of the matter is that the ONLY articulate Republicans today are found on Talk Radio, and maybe if you would just listen to them, you would understand why nobody agrees with your nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer: Talk Radio has educated and articulated a Conservative message to the largest audience in America why they should vote for the Republican Party.</p>
<p>Without talk radio, most of the public would be in darkness as to what is happening with the Government.</p>
<p>A new Pew poll demonstrated that Rush Limbaugh had the most informed audience when compared to CBS News, ABC News, NBC News, MSNBC, etc.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that the ONLY articulate Republicans today are found on Talk Radio, and maybe if you would just listen to them, you would understand why nobody agrees with your nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristianMiller</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much wrong with this analysis i don&#039;t know where to start. Bush is an accidental President because of one incident? This is preposterous. In Andrew&#039;s brilliant forensics, in isolation of millions of other factors, he decides Elian Gonzolez won the election of Bush. What degree do you have again, genius? He wants to pretend the political landscape is static except when it is inconvenient for his point . Things have changed but he wants to magically return to the 70&#039;s to 90&#039;s. The media was more balanced then my friend, you aren&#039;t aware of that? And citing voting percentages over time with different candidates and situations as well as third-party candidates in two of them,namely Ross Perot, 48% is pretty good Omitting the Democratic numbers may be an indication those numbers are worse. What are they Andrew?  This is the kind of analysis people do when they are trying to promote an agenda, and it isn&#039;t convincing to this talk-radio listener. We are smarter than you and you are unaware of this . You can&#039;t even make a coherent argument or articulate an ideology, you cite ridiculous statistics, cherry-pick parameters and make odd  statements (meant to be provocative like talk radio perhaps?) Face it, you are a cheerleader for a complete abstraction called the Republican party. This is no different than rooting for the NY Jets or the Washington Wizards. Go GOP! Go GOP! Whoever you are whatever you do, Go GOP! This attitude more than anything else turns off centrists. They sense your blind allegiance to a party not a principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much wrong with this analysis i don&#8217;t know where to start. Bush is an accidental President because of one incident? This is preposterous. In Andrew&#8217;s brilliant forensics, in isolation of millions of other factors, he decides Elian Gonzolez won the election of Bush. What degree do you have again, genius? He wants to pretend the political landscape is static except when it is inconvenient for his point . Things have changed but he wants to magically return to the 70&#8217;s to 90&#8217;s. The media was more balanced then my friend, you aren&#8217;t aware of that? And citing voting percentages over time with different candidates and situations as well as third-party candidates in two of them,namely Ross Perot, 48% is pretty good Omitting the Democratic numbers may be an indication those numbers are worse. What are they Andrew?  This is the kind of analysis people do when they are trying to promote an agenda, and it isn&#8217;t convincing to this talk-radio listener. We are smarter than you and you are unaware of this . You can&#8217;t even make a coherent argument or articulate an ideology, you cite ridiculous statistics, cherry-pick parameters and make odd  statements (meant to be provocative like talk radio perhaps?) Face it, you are a cheerleader for a complete abstraction called the Republican party. This is no different than rooting for the NY Jets or the Washington Wizards. Go GOP! Go GOP! Whoever you are whatever you do, Go GOP! This attitude more than anything else turns off centrists. They sense your blind allegiance to a party not a principle.</p>
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		<title>By: sw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breathtaking originality. You are right to say that self-described conservatives ignored the menace of Khomeini and got too pushy with the social-con agenda. 

Talk radio hosts in shades and shaved heads, standing like bouncers by the velvet rope that leads to higher office -- not a pretty picture. However, Andrew, don&#039;t forget that these folks flocked wholesale to Mitt Romney-- but the voters had a different opinion. Talk radio trashed John McCain for years, in sometimes especially horrible ways, but they had to get in line behind the nomination. These entertainers (&quot;There, I said it! Nyahh!&quot;) can be great company on the commute, a real relief after a day spent in pc-land-- they can educate, illuminate, triangulate, and stimulate the mind twelve different ways -- but delusions of greatness, uh-uh. Let&#039;s have a little humility and perspective. We&#039;re Republicans. We&#039;re supposed to  be good at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breathtaking originality. You are right to say that self-described conservatives ignored the menace of Khomeini and got too pushy with the social-con agenda. </p>
<p>Talk radio hosts in shades and shaved heads, standing like bouncers by the velvet rope that leads to higher office &#8212; not a pretty picture. However, Andrew, don&#8217;t forget that these folks flocked wholesale to Mitt Romney&#8211; but the voters had a different opinion. Talk radio trashed John McCain for years, in sometimes especially horrible ways, but they had to get in line behind the nomination. These entertainers (&#8220;There, I said it! Nyahh!&#8221;) can be great company on the commute, a real relief after a day spent in pc-land&#8211; they can educate, illuminate, triangulate, and stimulate the mind twelve different ways &#8212; but delusions of greatness, uh-uh. Let&#8217;s have a little humility and perspective. We&#8217;re Republicans. We&#8217;re supposed to  be good at that.</p>
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		<title>By: jsinger008</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

Great post.  I wanted to point you to this interesting blog post that asked a similar question concerning Rush (i.e. how much of an impact does he really have?):

http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-influential-is-rush-limbaugh.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>Great post.  I wanted to point you to this interesting blog post that asked a similar question concerning Rush (i.e. how much of an impact does he really have?):</p>
<p><a href="http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-influential-is-rush-limbaugh.html" rel="nofollow">http://galleyslaves.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-influential-is-rush-limbaugh.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChristianMiller</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, you are ignorant of many things. Talk radio is not SUPPOSED to convince people of anything. If it was, no one would listen. Does that make sense to you, or not? You and Republicans like you, don&#039;t have a say in talk radio. This is a free-market phenomenon. The fact that most talk radio hosts are conservative or libertarian is a SYMPTOM of the domination of the MSM. If you understand economics and marketing, talk radio is  filling a vacuum. Nevertheless, the hosts are free to express their opinions and ideas, and are not a wing of the Republican party as you would prefer, and if they were a wing of the R party they would have roughly the attention that this website does. Near zero!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, you are ignorant of many things. Talk radio is not SUPPOSED to convince people of anything. If it was, no one would listen. Does that make sense to you, or not? You and Republicans like you, don&#8217;t have a say in talk radio. This is a free-market phenomenon. The fact that most talk radio hosts are conservative or libertarian is a SYMPTOM of the domination of the MSM. If you understand economics and marketing, talk radio is  filling a vacuum. Nevertheless, the hosts are free to express their opinions and ideas, and are not a wing of the Republican party as you would prefer, and if they were a wing of the R party they would have roughly the attention that this website does. Near zero!</p>
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