RSS Feed MenuA cynical French friend suggests that I overlooked the likeliest motive for David Cameron’s flattering speech in Ankara:
British enthusiasm for Turkish entry into the EU is not a serious proposal, but a cunning wrecking mechanism.
Turkey will never be admitted to the EU, for at least 3 reasons:
1) Germany will not accept being demoted to the second-biggest block of delegates in the EU Parliament;
2) France and the poorer Central European countries will not accept ultra-low-wage competition from Turkish migrant workers;
3) Security services across the continent will not accept the risk of millions of Middle Eastern travelers crossing borders into Europe visa-free.
So why advocate what’s never going to happen? Because it offers a mode by which a Euroskeptic Conservative like Cameron can represent himself as ultra-pro-Europe to his LibDem coalition partners in Westminster and Britain’s Europhile media.
Sir Humphrey Appleby explained it all 25 years ago.
adamtglass // Jul 29, 2010 at 1:24 pm
No you are more used to talking with a group that all agree and never question anything…good move.
My arguments though you have no answers to rebut them are not illogical.
Again you go to name calling rather than discussion.
I’ll try it your way
Watusie you are only interested in your truth, not the actual truth.
You don’t take on a single statement with a logical refutation.
You are pathetic and weak and I am embarrassed for you.
I am sure though that you are used to wasting plenty of time, you just don’t know it.
I’d say any time you engage your maladapted brain you are wasting your time.
Now that I have made insults those will be responded to, but not my points.
Watusie go to a site with high school children and work on your dialectical skills.
Then go crawl back under that rock.
Oh, see how foolish name calling appears.
I’d much rather a match of wits, but you are not unarmed just clueless.
I pray for you…oh big man in the sky…please removeth the stick from the posterior….
See I too know how to write like a complete ass, so your not that special.
I’ll try to mesh your DNA with an elephants so you have a memory and some thicker skin so you can actually debate points and not make ad hominem attacks.
jakester // Jul 29, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Watusie
I agree, what Israel did in Dubai was contemptible and unjust. For the record, I hate Hamas but Israel seems to be willing to sink lower than her adversaries and compromise allies too.
adamtglass // Jul 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm
This is what I think regarding Dubai blaming Mossad for the assassination:
to quote Christopher Hitchens
WHAT CAN BE ASSERTED WITHOUT PROOF CAN BE DISMISSED WITHOUT PROOF.
msmilack // Jul 29, 2010 at 5:07 pm
David,
Is it possible (albeit a simpler explanation) that Cameron meant what he said? I’m not sure why you and other conservatives have such a difficult time accepting the fact that there is a different point of view held by of one of your own, especially by a person who you and others so recently lauded (a few days ago) as the new role model for conservative government. It is such a contradiction that I really think it warrants study and self-examination.
David, I deeply respect your mind even when we disagree on policy; normally, I can follow your logic from point A all the way to the conclusion; but on this subject, I cannot. I believe that if you looked at the same set of facts applied to any other two countries in the world, you would come out with a different conclusion.
Parenthetically — and this relates to something you wrote yesterday not today but it still applies — I worry when I read the word “evil” to describe another country — any other country. Perhaps you don’t realize this because it has become acceptable to use that word but the word “evil” shuts out every possibility of negotiation. In life, people change their minds and in international relations, people can also change their minds — unless they are evil. But who decides that? When people are evil, they do not change; in fact, the word “evil” is an invitation to eliminate, a way to diminish and make less than human. It was the principle of slavery, the principle of apartheid, the principle of every government that has sought to eliminate a segment of the population, to call the targets subhuman or evil. So it is a very powerful and sometimes dangerous word to use.
David, I don’t know if you can hear me but I write this with the utmost respect because it is such an important subject. And I’m not just speaking to you but to the others who share your point of view.
I wish the Israeli government could elect different people to run these operations. Netanyahu is trying to do the right thing but the right wing party of A. Leiberman will not allow him to do so. They would rather scorch the earth and see Israel destroyed. I want to see Israel survive.
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Watusie // Jul 29, 2010 at 6:54 pm
adamtglass apparently believes that Glenn Miller, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, Lord Lucan and Harold Holt are all alive.
msmilack // Jul 29, 2010 at 9:19 pm
adamtglass
Watusie
Your fighting is making me feel a little embarrassed. There are people on the blog that agree with each of you even if you don’t agree with each other.
canuckistani // Jul 29, 2010 at 10:47 pm
The EU needs an enema.
Witnessing the sunbelt’s spectacular failures with Germany once again showing she has the mojo makes seeing Germany and GB splitting away on an economic level more likely. GB never took the euro and Germans are probably wondering how they get the Mark back.
mickster99 // Jul 30, 2010 at 2:09 am
adamtglass, watusie: how refreshing to see a Frum post dominated with comments by the insipid ad hominem exchange between a couple of world class dim bulbs.