What Has Perry Done for Hispanics Lately?

August 17th, 2011 at 12:56 pm | 59 Comments |

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As Governor Rick Perry begins his presidential campaign, Hispanic voters open to the idea of voting Republican are wondering which Rick Perry will show up.

In Texas, Hispanic voters concerned about immigration issues and undocumented immigrants have witnessed two Perrys: the good Perry who signed the Texas DREAM Act, and the bad Perry who aggressively pursued sanctuary cities legislation.

Somos Republicans, which claims to be the largest Hispanic Republican group in the nation, named Rick Perry the most Hispanic-friendly politician in the nation for 2010. “He stated that Arizona’s harsh, anti-immigrant law wasn’t right for Texas – so we wanted to give praise where praise was due. Remember, he said that during a year where anti-immigrant sentiment reached a fevered pitch,” said DeeDee Garcia Blase, the group’s founder.

Governor Perry has continued to support the Texas DREAM Act, which would allow undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition for college, even as he runs for president. “To punish these young Texans for their parents’ actions is not what America has always been about,” he said recently to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

In the past, Perry has also stood up to Tom Tancredo, who wrote an opinion column last week saying that the Texas governor is “not a true conservative” because of his immigration policy. Tancredo also claims that Perry once called him a racist. The animosity between the two is sure to bode well for Perry among immigrant groups.

Perry’s support for these causes has served him well among Hispanic voters – at least for a Republican. “Perry earned, according to their internal polling, about 36% of the Hispanic vote [in the last Texas gubernatorial race]. According to CNN, 38%… the key with the Hispanic vote in Texas is that if you get over 35% of the Hispanic vote, you can be competitive,” said Leslie Sanchez, a Republican consultant and the author of Los Republicanos: Why Republicans and Hispanics Need Each Other.

But fast-forward to this year, and Blase’s immigrant-focused Republican group has determined that Perry is only in the middle of the pack. “We’d give him about a ‘B’,” she said. “He was downgraded to a ‘B’ because he introduced an emergency sanctuary cities bill. People were wondering: ‘what was the emergency?’”

The uncertainty over what Perry will say about immigration in the 2012 campaign is giving Somos Republicans pause. “We are not yet ready to endorse him, because he could take a harsh turn on his stance on immigration before 2012, preventing us from doing that,” said Blase.

But going deeper, Leslie Sanchez tells FrumForum that Perry’s appeal to Hispanic voters can – and should – stretch beyond traditional issues of immigration policy.

“There is a lot of fluidity right now in how Hispanic voters are looking over their own political ideology. The [notion] that Hispanic voters are going to be Democratic because they are only thinking of open-borders, amnesty and full citizenship for undocumented immigrants is a false stereotype… like other voters Hispanic voters are concerned about jobs, their families – and they have a real commitment to military service,” she said.

In fact, Sanchez said that there is a growing constituency of Hispanics that would tune into Perry’s message if he were to focus on enforcement. “It’s more complicated – there are increasing numbers of second- and third-generation Hispanic voters that are pro-enforcement and really want to support the idea of legal immigration,” she told FrumForum.

But for Hispanic Republicans who might be closer to the party’s middle on other issues but are staunch advocates for undocumented immigrants, the last few years have been disillusioning.

The Republican Party appears to be trending away from them. Even Florida Senator Marco Rubio, a superstar amongst Hispanic Republicans, has been a disappointment. “Things have gotten bad – when Marco Rubio decided to sponsor Texas Senator Lamar Smith’s national E-Verify system, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me,” said Blase.

Perry’s record is one of unclear motives: some of his actions suggest that he is genuinely concerned about the plight of undocumented immigrants in Texas. But he may be driven at least as much by an eagerness to serve Texas employers seeking low-cost labor from these same immigrants. With a presidential campaign less pressed by that imperative, will his tune on immigration change?

In the eyes of immigrant groups, Perry has shown a propensity both for acts worthy of praise and acts that lead to disappointment. As they watch the 2012 presidential campaign unfold, it is still unknown exactly what stance Rick Perry will take.

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  • TerryF98

    He has just gone 100% global warming denial, calling it a money making hoax. So he is not planning on working toward sensible policy on that front then.

    • LFC

      A stand like that is the same as a stamp on his forehead that says “NOT FIT FOR OFFICE”.

      • Smargalicious

        As America knows now, too late, where the stamp should have gone…right on Hussein’s forehead.

  • Southern Populist

    What has Perry done for White Americans lately?

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      Gotten them government jobs.

      • Chris Balsz

        How’s it been since Sept 2008?

        I ask because Perry is touting that 45% of new jobs are in Texas. If his state was down 250,000 private sector jobs and it’s coming back to just a net decline of 178,000, then that’s impressive recovery. BTW any estimates of 1Q 2011?

        • Elvis Elvisberg

          Here’s Texas’s unemployment rate in the Perry era:

          I haven’t come across Q1 2011 data; here’s growth in 2010:

          It doesn’t appear that there’s a legitimate argument for Texas as an economic miracle. That Texas has weathered the economic storm of the past few years modestly better than the nationwide level does seem to me to be a fair statement.

  • Kingofthenet

    I think you conservatives are going to be in for a RUDE awakening, if you don’t elect Romney you are going to SPECTACULARLY crash and burn. Obama will eat up ALL the other candidates and coast to victory.Obama IMHO is the best speaker since Bill Clinton and arguably better, he is going to be a Monster to beat.

    • wileedog

      If the economy picks up Obama wins in a walk. If it remains sluggish (and the GOP will do everything in their power to make it so) then Romney has a chance. If we double dip the recession all bets are off – even one of the crazies like Bachmann or this guy could get in (although I just have a hard time seeing a guy who is so like Bush being palatable to the country again so quickly).

      • drdredel

        Honestly, I don’t see the rationale behind the “if the economy tanks, obama is in trouble” argument. Americans are largely uninformed and frequently stupid, but this group is making it REALLY easy for Obama. I just don’t see them being sold on the notion that Obama is to blame here (as he clearly isn’t). So… why would they vote for one of these cretins? Out of spite for their own noses? Just consider that most people who voted last time will probably vote again. You think us Obama voters (even the disappointed ones like me) are SO disillusioned that we’ll vote for Bachman? It just doesn’t sound plausible.
        Maybe I’m missing something. The Republicans are largely responsible for the mess we’re in (no, it IS Bush’s fault, even if 3 or 4 years have gone by… it’s still his fault, why would that ever change?!) and everyone knows that so many of the things that Obama wanted to do to help were just halted in their tracks by the GOP. So… again… I just don’t see it. Where are all these nut jobs supposed to find supporters?

        • wileedog

          All fair points. I do think however that many on the far left are going to sit this one out – he has really ticked off a fair amount of his base by having the gall to be exactly what he campaigned as – a pragmatic centrist – instead of the Progressive Hero they envisioned in the voting booth.

          I also don’t think the rank and file voter follows Congress as much as the political junkies here. Yeah there’s still a common knowledge that this is Bush’s recession, but every year removed from Bush that things don’t improve it becomes more of Obama’s too, just like Afghanistan. And I don’t think everyone gets just how obstructionist the GOP Congress has been.

          Otto I think has said it in a few places and I agree with him. It will be a turnout thing. If things improve a bit and Obama can get the base energized (look for a huge”we’re leaving Afghanistan” announcement next summer) and out to the polls he’s a shoo in. If things get really bad again though I can see people just disgusted with the whole system and staying home. Obama’s oratory will be tuned out as ‘just another speech’ (the GOP is already playing that card). Couple that with the fact that we KNOW the Tea Party 25% or whatever will be out in force to get rid of the scary black man and anything could happen IMO. 58 million people did vote for McCain even with Palin on the ticket, its not a stretch to see those votes and more go to Romney in a bad economy.

        • tommyudo

          Many on the far left (the firedoglake ideologically pure “my way or the highway” crowd) will possibly sit it out. I bet that most of them are in pretty safe blue states. It’s not the popular vote that Obama is concerned with, it’s the Electoral Votes.
          The way I see it is Perry is a comet who is going to burn out through his extreme buffoonery and the slow, but steady behind the scenes work that Rove and company are going to be doing on him in the next 4-6 months . Romney is pure poison to the Tea Party and the Christian Taliban, and Bachmann is just pure nuts. A new face, like Ryan, has the issue of name recognition and the millstone of the Ryan Plan to kill Medicare as we know it.
          This leaves a perfect opening for Our Lady of the Tundra. This would be the starkest choice the electorate has had since 1932, and a perfect opportunity to drive a wedge in the GOP where they may split in two – the traditional GOP ( Richard Lugar/Mitch Daniels type)and the Mad Hatter Party.

        • wileedog

          As an aside, I would love to see Ryan jump in and try to run on his gut Medicare plan. Maybe the ensuing landslide will finally open some GOP eyes that they are doing it wrong.

        • Houndentenor

          Nah. People like to talk tough about these things but people are disappointed that Obama is not liberal enough are not about to sit around and let Perry/Bachmann/Romney/whoever win by not voting at all.

          Back in the summer of 2008 there was a lot of tough talk among Democrats. “If Obama/Clinton wins, I’m voting for McCain.” I don’t know a single person who did that and I don’t think they really meant it when they said it. People like to sound like they are taking that strong a stand. Just like the social conservatives are not going to sit home if they don’t get a candidate that is 100% on their issues. They don’t have anywhere else to go.

        • JimBob

          No we’re in this mess because Democrats discovered Asians and Whites have much higher rates of home ownership than Latinos and Blacks. Then they went on a mission to even things out by threatening banks and mortgage companies to make more loans to Latinos and Blacks. The results were obvious. People that had no business getting a loan got them anyway and the rest is history.

        • wileedog

          How do you threaten a bank to give someone a bad loan? Did they hold them at gunpoint or something? You really don’t think financial institutions would have screamed bloody murder if the government were somehow forcing them to do something that would lose them billions?

          God the conspiracy theories get more imbecilic by the day.

        • PracticalGirl

          JimBoob is partially correct.

          Yes. There WAS a political group and a particular politician who noticed the wide gap in homeownership (whites vs ethnic groups) and did something about it. The American Dream Down Payment Act of 2003, then the Zero Downpayment Act ( and then 90% of the loans that defaulted from 2006-2010) followed this sales job. Absolutely right, JimBoob. You’re just wrong on the direction from which it came.

          First, the reason:

          “Let me first talk about how to make sure America is secure from a group of killers, people who hate — you know what they hate? They hate the idea that somebody can go buy a home.”

          Now, the goal:

          “The goal is, everybody who wants to own a home has got a shot at doing so. The problem is we have what we call a homeownership gap in America. Three-quarters of Anglos own their homes, and yet less than 50 percent of African Americans and Hispanics own homes. That ownership gap signals that something might be wrong in the land of plenty. And we need to do something about it.

          We are here in Washington, D.C. to address problems. So I’ve set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010 — million more minority homeowners by 2010. (Applause.) Five-and-a-half million families by 2010 will own a home. That is our goal. It is a realistic goal. But it’s going to mean we’re going to have to work hard to achieve the goal, all of us. And by all of us, I mean not only the federal government, but the private sector, as well.”

          Exerpt- President George W. Bush, June 18, 2002 in a speech to HUD employees


        • MaxFischer

          Now, we’ve got a problem here in America that we have to address. Too many American families, too many minorities do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between Anglo America and African American and Hispanic home ownership is too big. And we’ve got to focus the attention on this nation to address this….by the year 2010, we must increase minority home owners by at least 5.5 million. In order to close the homeownership gap, we’ve got to set a big goal for America, and focus our attention and resources on that goal.

          Democrat scalawag President George W. Bush in prepared remarks, June 17th 2002: http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020617-2.html

          Jeez, JB – it’s like parroting false and easily refutable nonsense is some sort of pathology with you.

        • Xunzi Washington

          The Boob is kinda like the forum version of Rocky Balboa. He just gets pummeled in the head over and over and over again, but he refuses to go down. He just keeps coming back with the same tattered list of points each time.

          Of course, the difference is that I’ve never seen the Boob knock his opponent out in the end. But he sure does take a manly beating!

        • Kingofthenet

          No, the banks made bad loans because they thought they can get rid of those cooking grenades before they went off, it worked for awhile before they started to actually believe they were good bets and OK to hold on to.

        • JimBob

          Practical Girl doesn’t have the foggiest idea of what’s she’s talking about. Hell even Saturday Night Live knows more than Bimbo Girl


          All that aside, Roberta Anchtenberg is the antagonist


        • think4yourself

          JimBob: “Then they went on a mission to even things out by threatening banks and mortgage companies to make more loans to Latinos and Blacks.”

          Partially right. There are liberal groups who were agitating for parity in homeownership among ethnicities (you think these arguments are fun, look at the ones between Bill Cosby and Michael Dyson) who did exactly as you said. But that’s not why the banks made the loans (I’m in the lending business albeit commercial). Instead, between 2001 – 2007 a culture developed to forget how loans get paid and loans were made to people who shouldn’t get them – regardless of ethnicity. These banks and funding sources made loans that had higher rates to them to justify the increased risk of little or no due diligence or underwriting criteria. That’s okay if you have acurately figured that risk and put the profits from the higher rate in a “lock box” to deal with defaults later, but they didn’t do that. Instead all of the parties in the system, from the mortgage brokers who manipulated or falsified the application, to the banks who approved them, to the auditors and credit agencies who turned a blind eye, to the securities market who bought them in bulk, they all believed that because everyone was making money in the short term, that therefore everything was all right.

          So yes, liberal groups agitated for ethnic parity and not taking responsibility for their part in this is wrong. But to blame the economic collapse on those Dems, Blacks & Latino’s is more so.

        • think4yourself

          @ Dredel ” I don’t see the rationale behind the “if the economy tanks, obama is in trouble,”

          Well 35% will vote GOP no matter what and 35% will vote Dem no matter what. The party that is out of power (in the White House) can more ferverently rile up the troops. As mentioned, Obama’s shock troops are disappointed that he is a moderate and not the liberal they all hoped he would be (no Howard Dean here).

          The GOP shock troops will vote in order to rollback gay rights, abortion rights (one more Supreme and Roe V. Wade is done), prayer in public schools, teaching creationism and vouchers for church schools (so long as they are Christian schools, not Islamic). They’ll be happy if their leaders end or gut social security and medicare (until they get victimized by it), along with ending most Federal programs (Education, EPA, FDA and SEC). The corporations who now have no oversight (did you know that for profit schools like Argosy have the highest level of loan defaults? That they were just sued by the Obama Justice Dept. for illegally paying recruiting bonuses to sign up students, whether or not they should be in college? Did you know that student loans cannot be discharged by bankruptcy so if you got rooked into one of those deals, it’s your own damn fault and you have to live with it forever?).

          So the GOP is motivated, the Dems are not. If the GOP frames the debate that 3 year’s in, the economy is now Obama’s fault, if they can get enough casual Obama supporters to stay home, they win.

        • drdredel

          I understand all this… I’m just saying that even the disenchanted are in a state of abject horror at the prospect of a Perry or Backman victory (or for that matter even Romney, though he isn’t as objectionable personally, but lord knows what sort of idiocy he would rubber stamp once it got through congress). So… yes, they’re unhappy (I’m one of them), but of course, I’m going to go and vote for the only sane person on the ballot, as I suspect will everyone else.

    • drdredel

      He’ll eat up Romney too. Romney is a really sad used car salesman. Granted, he’s not a total imbecille like all his competition (save Huntsman), but that won’t help him against Obama. As you said, Obama is incredibly articulate and fantastically convincing. He commands an aire of calm, peaceful, authority. Unlike all his opponents who are shrill, and so blatantly uninformed that only the most country fired bumpkins could possibly vote for any of them.

      If the GOP wants to win, it needs to acknowledge that Obama is basically a Republican in most of his policies and run someone JUST like him. Then, and only then, do they stand a chance of winning. People like me (who like Obama but are disappointed in his inability to stand up to the GOP) are the ones who they need to turn the tide and it will be a very VERY cold day on the surface of the sun before I vote for anyone currently running (or thinking about running) on the GOP ticket, and that most certainly includes Romney, who I don’t trust to sell me a refrigerator, much less run the country.

      • Chris Balsz

        Do you think 8 years is enough? Maybe he should be President for the duration of the recession? I got news for you, successful two-term Presidents campaign on “stay the course”. He isn’t, because he can’t.

        • Frumplestiltskin

          yes, of course, it is terrible to run on a growing economy and job creation (albeit both smaller and slower than we want) it is far better to run like Republicans for a return to a plummetting economy and lost jobs. Oh yeah, and two failed wars, as opposed to ending the wars. That is the ticket. You really think American voters are as dumb as you, don’t you?

        • Chris Balsz

          By all means, run against a third Bush term. Go for it.

          Obama has not ended any war.

      • sdspringy

        You haven’t taken a real hard look at Obama’s coattails lately have you. Obama has lost the governorship of Virginia, remember.
        Obama could not save Alan Spector,
        Obama could not save Ted Kennedy’s seat from going Republican
        Obama could not prevent the LARGEST House swing by any party, from going Republican.

        Obama’s coattails are about as long as a bowtie

        • Houndentenor

          No, he doesn’t have coattails. I’m trying to remember the last Democrat who did. Johnson maybe? Carter didn’t and neither did Clinton.

          As for Arlen Spector, there is no power on earth that could have gotten him re-elected.

  • drdredel

    You know… sometimes I’m just amazed by how people refuse to use their natural intuition in assessing faces. We have this really marvelous and sophisticated facial recognition technology in the brain that, when allowed to do its thing, can give us a REALLY accurate impression, that is almost never wrong, on who we’re dealing with, after looking at them for just a few seconds.
    Just LOOK at this guy’s face! Look at it. If I saw this guy in the street, every alarm bell in the universe would go off in my head. If this was the face of my child’s teacher, I would move her into another class (or school). If this was the guy that was trying to sell me a car, I would assume I’m being screwed and go elsewhere. There is no way I can explain “why” exactly. It’s like chicken sexing (look it up), you just *know it when you see it.
    Looking at his face the words that pop up are “barbarian”, “sociopath”, “narcissist”, and “liar”.
    I’m not sure what else there is to talk about with him. We’re going to discuss his policy positions?? Why not discuss the policy positions of a rabid raccoon? There’s going to be a lot of overlap.

  • armstp

    Hispanics, like all voters, will not just be voting for Perry, but for the Republican Party and the Republican Party (Tea Party) is far worse for Hispanics than Perry. The Republican Party will take Perry down with Hispanics.

    • JimBob

      Long past time your government check it cut off.

      • Houndentenor

        Are you an illegal immigrant JimBob? I ask because it often seems that English is not your first language.

  • Xunzi Washington

    Oh boy, that headline is going to make our resident village idiot, Smeggy, mad, mad, mad. Just you wait till’ he gets here and lines everyone out.

    • pnwguy


      “Hispanic anchor babies just want reparations and know they have a friend in the Kenyan Marxist islamo-loving American-hating fraud in the White house. But 2012 can’t come soon enough to rid the country of Jimmy Carter 2. The 50 percent of us who pay for the Dim-o-crat losers are taking our country back!”

      Will that do for you in the mean time? I just ran the article through the Smarg-O-Lator :-)

  • JimBob

    There is a way to come to the United States!! You do it legally. What is it with some who crash the gates and then get upset when people say, hold on now, you need to go home.

    • Houndentenor

      We aren’t going to do anything about illegal immigrants because business likes the cheap labor and workers who won’t complain about dangerous working conditions. Start jailing business people who hire undocumented workers and the problem will stop. If you aren’t willing to do that, then quit your bitchin’.

    • think4yourself

      JimBob, I suspect most (though certainly not all) Democrats would agree with you. The question is what to do about our current situation. How do you propose insuring only legal immigrants come to the US? A fence? So far, that has been expensive and not successful. What about those who are already in the country illegally? Should we spend billions of dollars (that we don’t have) to root them out? How about the businesses that depend on that labor, even GOP based businesses, I’m sure they’ll just do their best to help you out? Are you excited to have your grocery prices triple?

      Lastly, countries grow when their population increases (Japan’s in real trouble). The only growth in this country is from immigrant families (immigration & higher birthrate). If the US adopted the solution of spending billions to kick out the 10-12MM illegal immigrants here (which would cause many legal immigrants to leave as well), you’d possibly end up with an increased recession in the short term (you’d lose 12MM customers who buy stuff). And long term create a declining population, which has serious reprecussions for things like funding SS, Medicare.

      It would be nice if you could solve these problems with soundbites, but the world doesn’t actually work that way.

    • armstp

      If you were a true conservative you would be for opening the gates and letting anyone who wanted to come to America come. Have the most free market and open labor market. Let everyone compete for jobs. If someone wants to do it cheaper, then let them, as that is capitalism.

      I have no idea why “conservatives” are afraid of illegal immigrants. They are a net positive contributor to the economy of the U.S. They always have been and always will be. They are a very important part of the labor market of this country.

      I say let more illegals come.

  • Kingofthenet

    The thing is this, stuff that is ‘Red Meat’ in a Republican Primary is absolutely TOXIC in a General Election. For example saying that Fed. Chairman Ben Bernanke is acting TREASONOUS, come on you want a guy like that with Nuclear codes?

  • TexasDog

    I live in Texas. You do not want Perry to be President.

    • laingirl

      I live in Texas too. You really do not want Perry to be president.

      By the way, Perry’s speech before a Latino Political convention in San Antonio on June 23 of this year was not warmly received and he didn’t even use his most boastful messages.

      • Kevin B

        I live in Texas three. I can’t speak for you, but I do not want Perry to be President.

  • Stewardship

    Please let Jon Huntsman Jr. be our party’s nominee. If not him, then George Romney Jr. If not either of those two, I’ll write in John Anderson in on my ballot.

  • TerryF98

    “For all of Rick Perry’s whining about wanting more federal aid (when he wasn’t threatening to secede from the union rather than take it, that is), Texas made out like a bandit when it comes to government-supported job creation. Nearly half of all government jobs nationwide were added in Texas? Talk about federal stimulus!

    Note that if those government jobs hadn’t been added—or worse, if they not only hadn’t been added, but further government jobs had been cut—the Texas unemployment situation would look even more dismal than it is.

    For a while now, Texas has been angling to become America’s closer-to-home China, the place companies in other states outsource to because Texas can undercut wages, worker protections, environmental protections and other pesky regulations that other states deem important. This has meant that private-sector Texas ranks near the bottom in a great many economic categories, including the highest percentage of minimum-wage workers in America. Perry is darn lucky he was able to have the stimulus effect of 125,000 new government jobs, even if he, personally, wants to keep railing against them.”

    H/T DK

    • Chris Balsz

      Further evidence that the Democrats prefer stagnation to the “wrong” recovery. Texas has the “wrong” recovery. It just has jobs, without asking if they’re the “right” jobs. It has the “wrong” industries. It sucks so much worse than Detroit. I bet Michigan leads America in reduction of carbon dioxide emissions! Now that’s “recovery”!

      • TerryF98

        So you are celebrating those extra 125,00 gubmint jobs Perry has created in Texas with stimulus cash?

        • Chris Balsz

          Would those be the jobs “companies in other states outsource to because Texas can undercut wages, worker protections, environmental protections and other pesky regulations that other states deem important.”?? Your talking points are getting twisted.

      • Houndentenor

        In that case, why don’t you take one of those minimum wage jobs and let someone else take yours.

  • Oldskool

    OT. Perry’s reply to Obama’s genteel statement about the Bernanke comment was pretty bad. Perry’s facial expressions were as goofy as Shrub’s. Keeping his inner goofball in check is going to hard to do but fun for us to watch.

  • jjv

    So if they are going to stay he wants them educated but does not think cities should declare that the law is not going to be enforced within their borders. It seems to me you can be pro law but not anti-hispanic. Also, he has kept employment up in Texas. If you are a hispanic in Texas you are more likley to have a job than in California where all the politicians tell you no law applies to you.

  • Kingofthenet

    These so called “Born Agains”, like the New Apostolic Reformation “ministers” that both Bachmann and Perry pander to, want to turn America into a Christian version of Iran. these people are the ultimate “WE Know What’s Good for YOU” crowd

    IF these people ever get REAL political power, you can kiss freedom in America goodby.
    Google Dominionism, BOTH these candidates support it.

    and as a side note, when I hear these so called evangelist preachers, it sounds like they are quoting from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition rather than the Holy Bible.

    • drdredel

      [q]IF these people ever get REAL political power, you can kiss freedom in America goodby.
      Google Dominionism, BOTH these candidates support it.[/q]

      Seems like that sort of thing should make someone ineligible for office. How can you govern all the people if you have such a blatant bias against so many of them? Also, since when are Adam and Eve Christian?!

    • Smargalicious

      Lemme guess, king, you’re a homosexual atheist, just like 75% of the posters on this forum??