Weinergate: It’s None Of Our Business

June 7th, 2011 at 10:25 am | 48 Comments |

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They got him, and they are exulting.

“Best. Press. Conference. EVAH!” tweeted a jubilant Robert Stacy McCain after Rep. Anthony Weiner’s confessional.

“Hats off to [Andrew] Breitbart, Ace [of Spades] et. al, who called this right from the very beginning,” added National Review editor Richard Lowry.

“He even apologizes to… the day’s big winner,” Andrew Breitbart, exclaimed the Gay Patriot.

That’s a curious conception of “winning.” I mean, do any of us really “win” when a public official is disgraced and humiliated? It seems to me that all of us are losers in this sad and sordid affair.

Anthony Weiner was caught doing a wrong and stupid thing: By his own admission, he “exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years.” Some of this communication took place after Weiner was married, and he lied about at least one explicit tweet.

That’s sad, shameful and embarrassing. But it also is of no real public import. It’s between him, his wife, his rabbi and his God.

In fact, it remains true even now that nobody has shown Weiner’s actions had any legal or public implications whatsoever.

Indeed, unlike Sen. David Vitter (R-Louisiana), Weiner broke no law. Unlike former Sen. John Edwards (D-North Carolina), he cannot be accused of having redirected campaign funds to personal purposes. And unlike President Bill Clinton (D-Arkansas), he did not lie under oath.

In fact, it would be hard to imagine a sexual transgression more entirely personal and private than Anthony Weiner’s.

Some have argued that, by sending explicit photos to a women he barely knew, or had just met online, Weiner made himself susceptible to blackmail. I suppose that’s technically true, but it’s also rather farfetched and unrealistic.

Weiner’s politics are well known; his congressional votes are well publicized; and so it’s hard to see how, in our open and democratic society, he could be blackmailed into changing his political stripes.

Saying Weiner made himself susceptible to blackmail is no more convincing than saying that corporate campaign contributions “buy” a congressman’s vote. In truth, campaign contributions follow a congressman’s vote; they do not direct it.

By the same token, Weiner was pursuing these women for his own personal purposes; they were not political types pursuing him for partisan or financial gain.

In any case, politicians and elected representatives have all types of secrets, and sexual improprieties are probably the least dangerous among these.

A more serious and damning allegation is that Weiner asked one woman to “lie” about their relationship (or lack thereof). But it’s unclear that Weiner did any such thing. Instead, it sounds to me like he was urging the woman to be politically savvy and public relations conscious.

Now, there is one woman who has a legitimate personal and political beef with Weiner, and that is his wife, Huma, who works for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. But that’s a matter for the husband and wife to resolve, perhaps with the aid of a marriage counselor; it should not be a matter of concern to the blogosphere.

We have adopted the leftist mantra that “the personal is political” — and we are licensing the next round of the Washington revenge drama in which liberal bloggers will seek retribution.

I don’t for one minute suggest that we all just “get along.” Politics ain’t beanbag, as they say; it’s a contact sport. But we should fight it out on matters of public policy, not personal peccadilloes. Otherwise we will all lose.

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  • solikemybeth

    Good post. All I could think of yesterday when watching the press conference was “You did all this to another person because you didn’t like his politics?”

  • Churl

    “It’s between him, his wife, his rabbi and his God.”

    Mr. Guardiano neglected to list some other folks who have an interest in Weiner’s character as revealed by his tweeting and post-tweet behavior: those who voted for him to represent them, and the rest of us who have to live with the laws and regulations he helps to impose on us.

  • SqueekyFromm

    “That’s sad, shameful and embarrassing. But it also is of no real public import. It’s between him, his wife, his rabbi and his God.”

    Oh BEE ESS!!! Weiner LIED, which is a bad thing. Weiner tried to drop Breitbart in the drink when Breitbart was innocent. This is also a bad thing.

    What is it with people who think you can just compartmentalize your bad behavior and not have to deal with it??? Or, that what you do in Vegas stays in Vegas??? It doesn’t. What you do, and who you are droops over into your public life. Character DOES matter!!!

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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  • CentristNYer

    I agree with the basic thrust of this post. Wiener’s embarrassing actions are primarily the concern of his family and no one else. However, I would add this caveat: if it’s shown that he was doing this in his office or during the regular business day — and taking valuable time from his work and responsibilities as a legislator — that becomes the concern of his constituents who trusted him to look after their business, not his sexual gratification.

    UPDATE: I just saw the interview that Wiener gave ABC’s Jonathan Karl a few days ago and must admit — like Andrew Sullivan who posted it — it does give one pause that he lied so easily and willfully. He wasn’t merely evading the truth, he was creating his own fiction about what happened, and that, in retrospect, does make me feel queasy about how this went well beyond a quiet family matter of broken trust. He spent a week developing an elaborate deception that involved his constituents, the press, the young woman, the police and investigators. This takes it to a new and troubling level.

  • abk1985

    I think the issue of sexual peccadilloes should be kept private. However, this was a case where Weiner posted the photo to his own Twitter account and literally dug his own grave.

    Of course, that led to a certain amount of teasing, ridicule and shaming. And that would probably be the result for anyone who was sending moronic photographs of himself around the internet. Case closed.

    However, in this case, we aren’t just dealing with ridiculous behavior but lying about that behavior. And this elected official lied about this behavior for over a week, counseled others to lie, and in the process slurred those who had brought this material to light. That is public and irresponsible behavior. It deserves condemnation. Whether that leads to his departure from public office, I don’t know, and I don’t care, he’s not my elected official. But as things stand, I’d never put my public trust — that is, my vote — in him. He doesn’t come across as reliable, honest, or very stable.

  • WillyP

    It was none of our business until Weiner decided to lie about everything in public, and set the attack dogs on Breitbart.

    Now that we know he’s a weasel who had no problem of accusing others of criminality, it is absolutely our business. He’s an elected official with a lot of power.

    He should have done the honorable thing and resigned. But no, not the leftists. Always clinging to power.

    Why we let ourselves be ruled by disgusting miscreants I’ll never know.

  • Churl

    Herewith a video of Congressman Weiner when he thought he could brazen it out:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/weiner-flashback-i-was-the-victim-of-this-.html

    Watch it reflect a bit on how much you’d like to trust him to govern us.

  • solikemybeth

    Perhaps he should have put out a statement that his denials “were not intended to be a factual statement”. Or does that only work on the floor of the Senate?

    • Churl

      “Perhaps he should have put out a statement that his denials ‘were not intended to be a factual statement’.”

      Perhaps he shouldn’t have been such an aggressive liar as in the video above, and shouldn’t have tried to smear the people who had the goods on him, and instead simply owned up to what he had done and, as they say, moved on.

      The Würstchen tweet wasn’t so bad, it was his subsequent behavior that got him into his present troubles.

    • LauraNo

      #iokiyar

  • sinz54

    What Rep. Weiner does with his personal life is none of our business.

    *BUT* (you knew there was a “but” coming along), Weiner tried to stonewall and even attack and smear those who were finding out the truth. I’m not just speaking of Breitbart here (his ethics are questionable too), but of Dana Bash of CNN, whom Weiner tried to brush off when she was only asking him legitimate questions.

    No politician should EVER, EVER be allowed to get away with blasting or smearing private American citizens in his attempts to get away with something. They don’t work for him. If they’re taxpayers, then he works for them.

  • Rob_654

    I enjoy Weiner’s speeches and often agree with him, however, this issue is taking the oxygen from the room for the Democrats who were gaining excellent traction on the Republicans for the Republicans medicare plans, etc….

    Since Weinger is a Social Conservative and hasn’t made is public career based on “Family Values”, there is no real hypocrisy with what he did and so far no laws have been broken.

    The thing I don’t like about this is Weiner lying to everyone and then trying to be a bully when he knew he was guilty a charged in the press and taking the heat off of the Republicans only to try to save his own sorry butt in this matter.

    We do not know what else might come up from this – apparently there is a far more explicit photo that the Breitbart (who still has some apologizing of his own to do for past issues) – what will Weiner be willing to do or deals to be made to keep that photo from coming out?

    Can we really trust Weiner? We know he will lie to try to save his butt – this last photo would a disaster for him – what will he do to keep it from being released?

    Also, do we know how old these women were? Were any under the age of 18? Weiner is so damn dumb he doesn’t even know the ages of people he sent these types of photos to!

    He needs to resign or be pushed out by the Democratic Leadership simply to get the story off of this mess he personally created and let the Democrats get back to business of exposing the Republicans true plans.

  • politicalfan

    This is a difficult one.

  • nwahs

    Anthony Weiner was caught doing a wrong and stupid thing: By his own admission, he “exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years.” Some of this communication took place after Weiner was married, and he lied about at least one explicit tweet.

    That’s sad, shameful and embarrassing. But it also is of no real public import. It’s between him, his wife, his rabbi and his God.

    This is his latest admission. His many admissions last week were completely different. So this is his latest admission that was proven this morning to contain at least one lie. His admissions in this matter have no track record of truth yet you take this latest admission as gospel.

    Indeed, unlike Sen. David Vitter (R-Louisiana), Weiner broke no law. Unlike former Sen. John Edwards (D-North Carolina), he cannot be accused of having redirected campaign funds to personal purposes. And unlike President Bill Clinton (D-Arkansas), he did not lie under oath.

    All of these men were investigated, Vitter and Edwards by the FBI, and Clinton by Ken Starr.

    As it turns out, the FBI concluded there was not enough evidence to charge Vitter, or the statute of limitations had run out for prosecution. Make no mistake about it, Vitter was investigated by the FBI. Edwards didn’t fare as well and Clinton, a little better than Edwards. You’e suggesting none of these men was any of our business? Are you just angry at the score or do really believe we should not strive to hold elected officials to the law? When something doesn’t smell right with elected officials, it is our business and the business of law enforcement to investigate.

    Indeed, unlike Sen. David Vitter (R-Louisiana), Weiner broke no law. Unlike former Sen. John Edwards (D-North Carolina), he cannot be accused of having redirected campaign funds to personal purposes. And unlike President Bill Clinton (D-Arkansas), he did not lie under oath.

    How in the world could you possibly know that? Because backed against the wall with photographic evidence plastered on the internet, he revises his complete denial of last week to say its only 6 women? Again, Vitter, Edwards and Clinton all faced investigation. Without investigation, they also could’ve said “no crime was committed.” Same holds for any criminal who has not been investigated.

    This article is irresponsible.

    • Houndentenor

      What law do you think Weiner has broken?

      • Slide

        nwahs // Jun 7, 2011 at 12:18 pm” How in the world could you possibly know that? Because backed against the wall with photographic evidence plastered on the internet, he revises his complete denial of last week to say its only 6 women? Again, Vitter, Edwards and Clinton all faced investigation. Without investigation, they also could’ve said “no crime was committed.” Same holds for any criminal who has not been investigated.”

        What law do you believe he committed? What silly nonsense. He engaged in some juvenile flirting with consenting women and then lied about it. If that constitutes a crime then we have a lot of criminals walking amongst us. You may not like what he did. You may not like that he lied to cover up what he did but to suggest that until there is a full and complete FBI investigation we won’t know for sure is pure idiocy. I can say the same about you can’t I? I don’t know if you committed any crimes until you are investigated. This is such silly nonsense, really.

        • nwahs

          ” I can say the same about you can’t I? I don’t know if you committed any crimes until you are investigated. This is such silly nonsense, really.”

          If I was standing in front of podium confessing to sending pictures of my penis to girls in various states with various state obscenity laws, who ages I was unsure of and may have been “fibbing,” you could say that with logic on your side. Saying it because you don’t like the facts is “silly nonsense.” Really :)

      • SqueekyFromm

        Maybe Weiner broke 18 USC something or another, depending on who he lied to on his staff or around the House:

        From here:

        http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jan/27/news/mn-12599

        “The law makes it a crime to utter “any false statement” to a federal agent, and “the word ‘no’ in response to a question assuredly makes a ‘statement,’ ” said Justice Antonin Scalia for the 7-2 majority.

        Monday’s decision in Brogan vs. U.S., 96-1579, marks the second time in two weeks that the justices have said honesty is the only policy for someone who comes under federal investigation.

        Last week, the court said the Constitution does not give public employees a right to deny accusations that later turn out to be true. That 9-0 ruling reinstated various punishments of five federal employees who initially denied wrongdoing.

        However, the court’s opinions show that false statements of any sort can be punished, even when they are simple denials that are later shown to be untrue.

        Monday’s ruling arose when a union official in Boston said “no” when asked by federal agents whether he had accepted bribes. When the truth came to light, he was prosecuted for taking bribes and making a false statement to federal agents.”

        Sooo, Weiner admitted he lied to his staff, who are Federal employees, and to his friends around the House, or about his use of gov’t stuff on expense reports, . . .or more importantly if he lies during the upcoming Weiner Probe—this stuff might fit.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        • Nomad13

          Squeeky, I don’t think that his staff count as ‘agents’. In legal terms, especially in the government, it has a specific meaning. As he was not being investigated, he didn’t lie to any federal agents. What may come out later, in the course of the ethics investigation, will be another matter.

  • Jim_M

    Heard someone say yesterday that politics is the Hollywood for ugly people. :)
    Accurate I’d say. This “little” fellow had NO chance with women his entire life until he became… CONGRESSMAN! A title that has garnered some attention from stupid members of the opposite sex. Weenie-man just can’t help it now.

    If a VERY compulsive person like “pup tent” can lie so easily about something as idiotic as this, should he be trusted?

    Of course not.

    • Slide

      If he has betrayed his supporters then they have the option of not voting for him now don’t they? Great thing democracy. Why don’t we let his constituents decide?

  • Russnet

    Completely disagree with that piece, not to mention confused at its logic. If Weiner did that to his (new) wife, why believe he is truly dedicated to his constituents interests and not his own? He’s a loudmouth arrogant immature self-involved lying idiot and the people of New York deserve better. Leadership is born from character.

  • Frumplestiltskin

    Sorry John, but no dice. He betrayed his supporters, every single person who stood up and defended him. He lied, on camera, saying he did no such thing. And if not for my reading a mediaite article that detailed that Breitbart had acted responsibly throughout, I could very easily believed that it was a Breitbart frame job.
    Everyone remember the Al Gore massage therapist allegations from last year? I defended Gore against a quick rush to judgment by many people, giving him a benefit of the doubt, and it turned out that Gore was truly innocent and was cleared of all charges. Yet how much did that allegation and rush to judgment hurt Gore? For a short time it must have been hell.
    This is why Weiner has to go. He is a Congressman, he must be held to a far higher standard.

  • Slide

    Russnet // Jun 7, 2011 at 12:28 pm: He’s a loudmouth arrogant immature self-involved lying idiot and the people of New York deserve better. Leadership is born from character.

    I don’t think you liked him very much even before the twitter scandal now did you? So for you to be worried about his supporters being betrayed is a bit disingenuous now isn’t it?

    • Russnet

      No, you got me there, I don’t like the twerp. He’s a media baby, for starters. And even though I’m a pretty hard core Yankee fan, New Yorkers just need to shut the hell up once in awhile. His outburst on the floor of the House a few months back was childish and completely unwarranted. You can’t fool me for a second that he is nothing more than a pure political creature, to say nothing of left or right, whose novelty is now famously and hilariously at the bottom of the ocean. To moderates who tend to judiciously weigh competing arguments, Anthony Weiner has done more to hurt than to advance liberal political interests.

  • chicagodem79

    I love how self-righteous some people are being here….until we get the next Republican to lie in a sex scandal, then this entire episode will tiresomely repeat. I wish we could keep these kinds of stories to Entertainment Tonight and Access Hollywood permanently.

  • Slide

    Churl // Jun 7, 2011 at 2:18 pm: “Actually, the people of New York deserve what they vote for

    Don’t like New Yorkers churlish? How surprising.

    • Churl

      I merely said that New Yorkers deserve what they vote for. It has nothing to do whether I like them or not. I’m as neutral to the mass of New York voters not of my personal acquaintance as I am to the Saami reindeer herders.

      Since you seem interested, I rather like all of the New Yorkers that I do know.

  • Jim_M

    chicagodem79,
    Self-righteous? What does party affiliation have to do with this? Are you keeping score? Public servants of ANY stripe must be held accountable for their actions. Especially while on OUR clock. Weiner is an ARROGANT coward with “entitlement-itis”. For the sake of his constituents he should be tossed.

  • Slide

    tossed? for the sake of his constituents? Who is going to do the tossing? His political enemies no doubt. But isn’t that what elections are for? I would bet my bottom dollar that if he doesn’t resign between now and election day (big if) then he will get re-elected in a NY minute.

    • nwahs

      Are you basing that prediction on the belief that all aspects of this story have come out? Because Radar online claims they haven’t.

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  • GEValle

    WRONG.

    When a pompous Liberal jackass (aren’t they all?) like Weiner gets his ox publicly gored like this, it’s a WONDERFUL feeling!

    Here’s hoping this prick’s humiliations, and those of his Party, continue as more revelations unfold each day!

    How soon ’till he quits? Prett-y soon!

  • Houndentenor

    If we are going to now hack into people’s accounts and make public their private flirtations, be prepared for the sh*tstorm you have unleashed.

    • Churl

      Houndentenor, there is no evidence that Weiner’s account was hacked; it was a cover story he dreamed up when he realized he had just sent a picture of his procreative apparatus to 40,000 people.

      Then when he realized that hacking could be investigated and a culprit found (remember the twerp in the slammer for hacking Palin’s account?) and knowing that he was the culprit he demoted “hack” to “prank” and hoped that the story would go away.

      It didn’t, to the ribald amusement of millions.

  • WaStateUrbanGOPer

    Oh my word. The Peeping Toms and other prurient neurotics of the far-right are having a field day with this whole Wiener melodrama. How refreshing that John Guardiano opposes them.

    There are a number of spurious claims and arguments made in this comments thread. Churl complains that the voting public has to live “with the laws and regulations [Weiner] helps to impose on us,” casually suggesting that Anthony Wiener is some sort of hypocrite, and WillyP perpetuates this suggestion by denouncing Weiner as a “weasel who had no problem of accusing others of criminality.” Churl and Willy are both flat wrong. Weiner didn’t break any laws, so he cannot be accused of hypocrsiy on criminal grounds. (As far as I know, he cannot be accused of hypocrsiy on ANY grounds.) Far all I care, Anthony Wiener can go on making laws and complaining about corporate crooks and warmongers on MSNBC, no matter how many silly and juvenile text messages he sends.

    And Squeeky’s notion of Weiner throwing Andrew Breitbart into “the drink” is downright absurd. For all of the surreal hero-treatment Breitbart has gotten from the mainstream press in the past few days (ugh!), he is not– as so often– innocent in this matter. He and his thuggish underlings, Dan Wolfe and Mike Stack, were quite obviously cyberstalking the congressman, desperately trying to catch him in a compromising situation. (I have discussed Wolfe’s and Stack’s character flaws in another thread, and don’t see the need to reiterate them here, but let no one pretend these two clowns are somehow noble defenders of our democratic system.) How else, aside from determined and routine snooping, would Breitbart and Stack have known about this infamous Tweet merely four minutes after it was sent? I think anyone with even a novice’s knowledge of the internet knows the answer to this question.

    The behavior of Breitbart and his crew is not that of a band of heroic investigative reporters working on behalf of a more enlightened voting public; it’s the behavior of a bunch of neurotic, sexually-stunted wierdos.

    And what about Squeeky’s notion that Weiner lying to his staff violates federal laws that prohibit lying to a federal officer? This isn’t even jurisprudential sophistry of the absurd kind you’d expect from think tank scholars and first year law students. It’s an astonishing imbecility of the sort that contains its own glaring refutation. I have to wonder, in all seriousness, if she wasn’t high on glue when she posted this nonsense.
    ***************************************************************************************

    Three cheers for John Guardiano for standing up for the privacy of our public officials. It’s good to know their are some people on the right who still believe in Barry Goldwater’s admonition that we keep government out of our boardrooms AND our bedrooms.

  • Churl

    WaStateUrbanGOPer // Jun 7, 2011 at 5:55 pm “There are a number of spurious claims and arguments made in this comments thread. Churl complains that the voting public has to live “with the laws and regulations [Weiner] helps to impose on us,” casually suggesting that Anthony Wiener is some sort of hypocrite”

    You seem to have misunderstood my point, I said nothing about hypocrisy. What I don’t like is a loud-mouthed, brass-necked aggressive liar like Congressman Weiner having any say over how the rest of us live our lives.

    “Three cheers for John Guardiano for standing up for the privacy of our public officials”, says Goper.

    Its more a matter of Congressman Weiner’s private parts officially standing up in public, which is an amusing farce.

  • ChallengingFrum

    Hey its NOT YOUR BUSINESS whether it is MY BUSINESS.

  • Primrose

    To my shock, I wholeheartedly agree with this post. We have reached a point in this country where we think we are owed gossip, instead as it used to be gossip being considered a sin. I don’t think we have a right to know all because of one simple truth, nobody is perfect. Nobody. Thus any one who runs for public office will have some embarrassing warts. That means the only people who would survive politics are the most professional phonies. As a compulsive truth teller myself, I still don’t think we have a right to be outraged by a lie, if we didn’t have a right to the truth. As for the public nature of the photo, I do believe him that he meant it to be private and did it accidentally, since we’ve all mis- sent info.

    But for those people who would not vote for anyone with these imperfections, I have your answer, start voting only for women.

  • Slide

    Churl, it is clear that you don’t like Weiner because he was aggressive and effective when he was in front of the cameras. Fine. I don’t blame you. He usually eviscerated those on the right in which he was often paired with on television. The very things that made him very popular in his district in other words. So, please spare me that it is because of this twitter nonsense that you think he should be gone.

    Oh, and I don’t like that scum like John Ensign and David Vitter have a say over how the rest of us live our lives. But guess what, that’s democracy spunky…. not everyone is going to have your political point of view.

    • Churl

      Slide, was Weiner as truthful in eviscerating the right as he was when eviscerating Breitbart and reporters?

      And, if it matters, I dislike Ensign, Vitters, and a host of other overweening twits as much as I do Weiner. Weiner has made himself a lurid enough public spectacle to attract special attention.

  • WaStateUrbanGOPer

    Churl: I won’t deny (who could?) that Weiner is a total fool for bandying his pudenda around in such a glaringly public fashion, but why oh why is this story being prioritized– by both journalists as well as news consumers– over stories that are of infinitely greater news worthiness? The U.S. has ground troops involved in two foreign conflicts; several Middle Eastern countries are being rent asunder by revolutionary fervor, one of which we are involved in via air strikes; our unemployment rate is over nine percent, and our growth rate is barely above two; one of our political parties is flirting with the idea of defaulting on our debt, and its defacto leader is a clinically delusional reality show star who has a fifth grader’s level of knowledge, cannot hold down a job and lies conversationally– AND YET: Anthony Weiner’s dick is front page news on the NYT, Politico and virtually every publication in between.

    I mean, my God, the man didn’t even actually screw anyone! And yet we’re told that he’s some sort of sinister lothario who poses a real danger to the republic. This is, of course, sheer nonsense. Weiner isn’t a “ladies’ man” in any real sense of that expression. What he really is, is much more sobering, even depressing: he’s a nerdy Jewish guy who no doubt spent his entire adolescence cramming for the SAT, and NOT chasing skirt like normal teenage boys, so now he’s making up for lost time by tweeting pictures of his junk to porn stars and college girls. NOT fucking them, mind you, merely sending them photos of his schlong. Bill Clinton he most certainly is not, and the press should not treat him as such.

    • nwahs

      What if he sent that picture to your 21 year old daughter as a joke? Lets say he’s sitting across the table from you and showed you the underwear picture with the erection and told you, “I sent this picture of me to your daughter as a joke.” What would you do?

  • Slide

    nwahs // Jun 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    “What if he sent that picture to your 21 year old daughter as a joke? Lets say he’s sitting across the table from you and showed you the underwear picture with the erection and told you, “I sent this picture of me to your daughter as a joke.” What would you do?”

    I would have a talk with my daughter to tell her that engaging in the consensual flirtations with an older married man has adverse consequences and could hurt a lot of people and I hope she would end the online relationship. Why, what would you do?

    Nothing that I have heard to date indicates that anything that Weiner did was against the will of those he interacted with. Lets make it clear that what Weiner did was wrong, reckless, stupid and demonstrated very poor judgment but he only hurt himself, his wife, and his constituents. The women he was interacting with are not victims.

    One commenter here suggested what he did was like flashing in the subway. No, that is quite a different psychology. The subway flasher’s intent is not to “turn on” his victims, it is to basically assault them in a way. What Weiner was craving was to be desired by these women. To turn them on. To have them turn him on. They were his fans not anonymous subway riders . The engaged in consensual phone sex with him. They were right there with the sexual talk and flirtations. Stop trying to make it out as if he is some predator stalking unsuspecting victims. That is a HUGE difference that many seem to be blurring.

    So nwahs, if your daughter were involved with the Congressman you should be talking to her and see what is going on in her head.

  • WaStateUrbanGOPer

    Nwahs: Slide pretty much answered your question as I would have, so I’ll only add that, as I am only thirty one years old, and NOT from the Tennessee hills or inner Mongolia, the notion of my having a twenty one year old daughter is simply fantastic!