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		<title>By: MR FACE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MR FACE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mi-Gopher-

You are so dramatic.  You are obsessed with the word troll.

My comment #9 was actually a dig at Obama.  I think he is really struggling right now.  And so is our country.  He has made a lot of mistakes.  I will admit it.  

The problem is you won&#039;t admit to any mistakes by conservatives or republicans.  They can do no wrong in your eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mi-Gopher-</p>
<p>You are so dramatic.  You are obsessed with the word troll.</p>
<p>My comment #9 was actually a dig at Obama.  I think he is really struggling right now.  And so is our country.  He has made a lot of mistakes.  I will admit it.  </p>
<p>The problem is you won&#8217;t admit to any mistakes by conservatives or republicans.  They can do no wrong in your eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/we-wuz-robbed-by-acorn/comment-page-2#comment-73085</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tdawg weighs in, yet again, sigh:  &quot;It’s been years and years, yet people still don’t know the difference between voter registration fraud (i.e. making up fake registration forms to scam ACORN et al for money) and voter fraud (ballot stuffing).&quot;  You nailed it on &quot;years and years&quot;; you guys have been doing the vote fraud thing for a while.

tdawg, really dude, take off that SEIU jacket and tinfoil hat and think for a second.  No one makes the distinction because it is irrelevant.  Frauding vote officials by turning in bogus registrations so that ACORN can coordinate legions of fellow-trolls, paid by the US taxpayer, to then vote multiple times in urban, pro-Obama areas of swing states is still vote fraud.  The Democrats have to get the fake names on the rolls or use dead people&#039;s names... which is trickier.  But it doesn&#039;t matter.

It&#039;s all debasing the integrity of the vote.  And you can wonder why Americans don&#039;t trust Democrats when it comes to election reform?  It is no small point that when most people think of the birth of voter fraud they think two things: Chicago and Democrats like Daley.  Funny that Obama and his Chicago Cronies cover both touchstones, eh?

Vote fraud, voter registration fraud?  No distinction because it&#039;s all debasing the integrity of the vote and our democratic institutions... I know, I know, that doesn&#039;t matter to you.   You&#039;re more worried about using vote fraud in Afghanistan as a predicate to announce Obama&#039;s &quot;Cut &amp; Run: VietNam Part Deux&quot; plan.  Imagine that??? Obama lecturing Karzai on vote fraud?  He&#039;d be better off giving Karzai tips on how to conceal it and litigate contests.  Obama is a crook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tdawg weighs in, yet again, sigh:  &#8220;It’s been years and years, yet people still don’t know the difference between voter registration fraud (i.e. making up fake registration forms to scam ACORN et al for money) and voter fraud (ballot stuffing).&#8221;  You nailed it on &#8220;years and years&#8221;; you guys have been doing the vote fraud thing for a while.</p>
<p>tdawg, really dude, take off that SEIU jacket and tinfoil hat and think for a second.  No one makes the distinction because it is irrelevant.  Frauding vote officials by turning in bogus registrations so that ACORN can coordinate legions of fellow-trolls, paid by the US taxpayer, to then vote multiple times in urban, pro-Obama areas of swing states is still vote fraud.  The Democrats have to get the fake names on the rolls or use dead people&#8217;s names&#8230; which is trickier.  But it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all debasing the integrity of the vote.  And you can wonder why Americans don&#8217;t trust Democrats when it comes to election reform?  It is no small point that when most people think of the birth of voter fraud they think two things: Chicago and Democrats like Daley.  Funny that Obama and his Chicago Cronies cover both touchstones, eh?</p>
<p>Vote fraud, voter registration fraud?  No distinction because it&#8217;s all debasing the integrity of the vote and our democratic institutions&#8230; I know, I know, that doesn&#8217;t matter to you.   You&#8217;re more worried about using vote fraud in Afghanistan as a predicate to announce Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Cut &amp; Run: VietNam Part Deux&#8221; plan.  Imagine that??? Obama lecturing Karzai on vote fraud?  He&#8217;d be better off giving Karzai tips on how to conceal it and litigate contests.  Obama is a crook.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/we-wuz-robbed-by-acorn/comment-page-2#comment-73084</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peyote writes: &quot;Palin is an unmitigated disaster&quot;.

Hey, thanks for not starting with the usual troll line of &quot;I voted for Reagan but just can&#039;t stand the Republicans anymore&quot; or &quot;I voted for Bush but the GOP drove me away&quot;... or some other nonsense most of your tribe uses daily on this site --and probably many others.

Palin is such an unmitigated disater that her polling on favorables has jumped 7 points in the last week and Barrie O&#039;s has lost 4-7 points this week, depending on whether or not you need to consult so-called democrat pollsters for solace or if you can take the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peyote writes: &#8220;Palin is an unmitigated disaster&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hey, thanks for not starting with the usual troll line of &#8220;I voted for Reagan but just can&#8217;t stand the Republicans anymore&#8221; or &#8220;I voted for Bush but the GOP drove me away&#8221;&#8230; or some other nonsense most of your tribe uses daily on this site &#8211;and probably many others.</p>
<p>Palin is such an unmitigated disater that her polling on favorables has jumped 7 points in the last week and Barrie O&#8217;s has lost 4-7 points this week, depending on whether or not you need to consult so-called democrat pollsters for solace or if you can take the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/we-wuz-robbed-by-acorn/comment-page-2#comment-73083</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another democrat party activst far left troll complains: &quot;Given the 53% to 46% divide between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, “in order to believe that Obama wasn’t the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes.  Yeah, that doesn’t sound crazy at all.&quot;

Only to a fire-eater like you, troll.

There is a very plausible and reasonable study done by academics this spring which shows that it could have been President McCain and Veep Palin if the tally had only switched some 443k votes nationwide.  Ask BlankHead for the reference... he lost that argument bigtime already.  Do you really think you can man-up where your best troll failed?  LOL.  We all love that the far Left likes to talk about mandates of the Obama Messiah... but like his WowBowKowTow to the fading Emperor of Japan, the Left flubs it up on this score, too.

Governing is serious and difficult, troll.  Obama and the far Left radicals in his Cabinet --like Stedman-Holder and Timmie-the-Treasurer-TaxCheat are finding that out royally --no pun intended.  All Bow to the Obama Messiah... ohmmmmmmmmm, All should love Barack Hussein Obama.  Come on, sing it with me.  It is futile to resist.  The Borg will assimilate.

http://www.coalitionoftheswilling.net/archives/2009/06/barack_o_borg.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another democrat party activst far left troll complains: &#8220;Given the 53% to 46% divide between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, “in order to believe that Obama wasn’t the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes.  Yeah, that doesn’t sound crazy at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only to a fire-eater like you, troll.</p>
<p>There is a very plausible and reasonable study done by academics this spring which shows that it could have been President McCain and Veep Palin if the tally had only switched some 443k votes nationwide.  Ask BlankHead for the reference&#8230; he lost that argument bigtime already.  Do you really think you can man-up where your best troll failed?  LOL.  We all love that the far Left likes to talk about mandates of the Obama Messiah&#8230; but like his WowBowKowTow to the fading Emperor of Japan, the Left flubs it up on this score, too.</p>
<p>Governing is serious and difficult, troll.  Obama and the far Left radicals in his Cabinet &#8211;like Stedman-Holder and Timmie-the-Treasurer-TaxCheat are finding that out royally &#8211;no pun intended.  All Bow to the Obama Messiah&#8230; ohmmmmmmmmm, All should love Barack Hussein Obama.  Come on, sing it with me.  It is futile to resist.  The Borg will assimilate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coalitionoftheswilling.net/archives/2009/06/barack_o_borg.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coalitionoftheswilling.net/archives/2009/06/barack_o_borg.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/we-wuz-robbed-by-acorn/comment-page-2#comment-73082</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6, #9???

Ahhh Mr Face, our newest troll character invented by either TeaBagged or BlankHead --let&#039;s face it, automaticBS has neither the spelling skills nor the creativity for something so devious, so underhanded, so.... well, so democrat party&#039;ish.  Still working off that DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe manual: &quot;How to screw the pooch and destroy the debate&quot; are you?

Mr Face, you&#039;ve been outed.  Crawl back under the bridge and chum it up with the other DailyKos trolls, ok?  Your 15 seconds of fame went past you without result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6, #9???</p>
<p>Ahhh Mr Face, our newest troll character invented by either TeaBagged or BlankHead &#8211;let&#8217;s face it, automaticBS has neither the spelling skills nor the creativity for something so devious, so underhanded, so&#8230;. well, so democrat party&#8217;ish.  Still working off that DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe manual: &#8220;How to screw the pooch and destroy the debate&#8221; are you?</p>
<p>Mr Face, you&#8217;ve been outed.  Crawl back under the bridge and chum it up with the other DailyKos trolls, ok?  Your 15 seconds of fame went past you without result.</p>
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		<title>By: Hikaru</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/we-wuz-robbed-by-acorn/comment-page-2#comment-73077</link>
		<dc:creator>Hikaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN! 

No. There was voter REGISTRATION fraud in the GENERAL election. I didn&#039;t listen to the left barking about faulty machines in Ohio much, and I certainly don&#039;t find much weight to your claim either.

Coincidently, only a few people and companies have been charged and convicted with voter fraud, and a majority of them were for Republicans. (Look up fraud in heavy minority or urban districts where they can&#039;t afford the good machines, or lawyers to fight back.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN! </p>
<p>No. There was voter REGISTRATION fraud in the GENERAL election. I didn&#8217;t listen to the left barking about faulty machines in Ohio much, and I certainly don&#8217;t find much weight to your claim either.</p>
<p>Coincidently, only a few people and companies have been charged and convicted with voter fraud, and a majority of them were for Republicans. (Look up fraud in heavy minority or urban districts where they can&#8217;t afford the good machines, or lawyers to fight back.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hikaru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hikaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have pleaded with my fellow conservatives to examine the exit polls and see just where Obama’s strengths were.&quot;

Many say that the key is Independents, but even this is perilous. Since a huge portion of Independents are former Conservative Republicans, the idea that this breaking from Democrats is some kind of big trouble is a little overblown. Democrats will lose seats NOT because of their fecklessness (if that is a word) and their inability to pull a cohesive message about whatever agenda they represent, but rather how a fickle nation likes balance.

No matter how many times ACORN gets brought up, or birth-certificates get discussed, it doesn&#039;t turn into votes for the GOP. Instead it marginalizes the party and makes them look petty and look like sore losers. (Remember the &#039;Official Seal of the Democratic Party&#039;?) Democrats didn&#039;t gain power in 2006 because they b*tched the loudest about the wars, or that GWB had expanded government and taken away more liberties than anyone else knew. They had a few ideas and some big promises that they didn&#039;t keep, but resonated anyway. Average joe figured that what they said sounded reasonable and ran with them.

Do the Republicans sound reasonable right now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have pleaded with my fellow conservatives to examine the exit polls and see just where Obama’s strengths were.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many say that the key is Independents, but even this is perilous. Since a huge portion of Independents are former Conservative Republicans, the idea that this breaking from Democrats is some kind of big trouble is a little overblown. Democrats will lose seats NOT because of their fecklessness (if that is a word) and their inability to pull a cohesive message about whatever agenda they represent, but rather how a fickle nation likes balance.</p>
<p>No matter how many times ACORN gets brought up, or birth-certificates get discussed, it doesn&#8217;t turn into votes for the GOP. Instead it marginalizes the party and makes them look petty and look like sore losers. (Remember the &#8216;Official Seal of the Democratic Party&#8217;?) Democrats didn&#8217;t gain power in 2006 because they b*tched the loudest about the wars, or that GWB had expanded government and taken away more liberties than anyone else knew. They had a few ideas and some big promises that they didn&#8217;t keep, but resonated anyway. Average joe figured that what they said sounded reasonable and ran with them.</p>
<p>Do the Republicans sound reasonable right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chekote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How’s that ride workin’ for you?&lt;/i&gt;

Great. Everyday Palin provides fresh material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How’s that ride workin’ for you?</i></p>
<p>Great. Everyday Palin provides fresh material.</p>
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		<title>By: Addie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I&#039;m not so sure ACORN stole the presidency but I wouldn&#039;t put it passed them for stealing the primary.  There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN!  

I just heard the people behind the ACORN scandal exposure have MANY mMORE tapes and not just of ACORN!!!  They are going to wait until it&#039;s closer to election to release them if ACORN is not properly investigated.  I love it!  I hope they don&#039;t investigate them so we all get to see ACORN and who ever else they have tapes of (I&#039;m guessing SEIU) just prior to the election!   

Chekote - hate much?  Jealous much?  I am pro-choice and I still LOVE Sarah!  In fact, I read in a survey recently that the abortion issue is so low of a prioty, I don;t think it makes much difference any more.  Economy, jobs, taxes, national security...ALL TRUMP ABORTION.  Seems like the only pathetic one is you....stuck on the Palin hate train.  How&#039;s that ride workin&#039; for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I&#8217;m not so sure ACORN stole the presidency but I wouldn&#8217;t put it passed them for stealing the primary.  There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN!  </p>
<p>I just heard the people behind the ACORN scandal exposure have MANY mMORE tapes and not just of ACORN!!!  They are going to wait until it&#8217;s closer to election to release them if ACORN is not properly investigated.  I love it!  I hope they don&#8217;t investigate them so we all get to see ACORN and who ever else they have tapes of (I&#8217;m guessing SEIU) just prior to the election!   </p>
<p>Chekote &#8211; hate much?  Jealous much?  I am pro-choice and I still LOVE Sarah!  In fact, I read in a survey recently that the abortion issue is so low of a prioty, I don;t think it makes much difference any more.  Economy, jobs, taxes, national security&#8230;ALL TRUMP ABORTION.  Seems like the only pathetic one is you&#8230;.stuck on the Palin hate train.  How&#8217;s that ride workin&#8217; for you?</p>
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		<title>By: sdspringy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Frum’s political analysis is weak, and ever so slanted against his own subscribed party. 
From the poll’s own numbers the respondents were:
41% = Democrats
33% = Republicans
26% = Independents/other

To reach the much talked about 62% you better be prepared to throw in all Republicans, all Independents and then some Democrats.  So we know not all Republicans think this nor do all Independents SO even more Democrats think this same thing,     Nutjobs.

Better yet to reach the 62% number every Conservative and the majority of Moderates would have to buy into the question.  And all the Nut job Libs better start taking off their shoes and socks because that’s a majority baby.

Frum could have showed some intelligence but given the opportunity to back stab the conservatives, well who could blame him.  More than likely Frum/Otto have very similar and equal tendency to stick the conservative every chance they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Frum’s political analysis is weak, and ever so slanted against his own subscribed party.<br />
From the poll’s own numbers the respondents were:<br />
41% = Democrats<br />
33% = Republicans<br />
26% = Independents/other</p>
<p>To reach the much talked about 62% you better be prepared to throw in all Republicans, all Independents and then some Democrats.  So we know not all Republicans think this nor do all Independents SO even more Democrats think this same thing,     Nutjobs.</p>
<p>Better yet to reach the 62% number every Conservative and the majority of Moderates would have to buy into the question.  And all the Nut job Libs better start taking off their shoes and socks because that’s a majority baby.</p>
<p>Frum could have showed some intelligence but given the opportunity to back stab the conservatives, well who could blame him.  More than likely Frum/Otto have very similar and equal tendency to stick the conservative every chance they get.</p>
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