We Wuz Robbed – By ACORN

November 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pm David Frum | 31 Comments |

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Dave Weigel alerts us to this amazing poll.

[A] 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately.

Some see this as proof of GOP paranoia. I see it as vindication of my theory of the four phases of reaction to a bad political defeat.

(1) We didn’t really lose.

(2) OK we lost, but only because the voters are idiots.

(3) OK we lost, and maybe the voters are not idiots, but there’s nothing we can do without betraying our sacred principles.

(4) Hey – maybe there’s something we can do.

The U.K. Conservatives have reached Phase 4. The PPP poll is more evidence that Republicans remain mired in phase 1. It’ll pass.

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  • DFL

    It is more an indication that democracy will always be dysfunctional because most voters are ignorant, partly paranoid, and electorally avaricious. Listening to CSPAN’s morning call-in program for a few weeks will disabuse you of democracy. How Brian Lamb could take the assorted mental defectives that called his show for all those years without going crazy is beyond my comprehension.

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  • ottovbvs

    ……This is about the same number of Republicans who believe Obama wasn’t born in the USA………if you roll in the fence sitters it’s around 70% of GOP voters (id GOP and id GOP leaning independants) who total around 40% of the electorate and tend to be geographically concentrated in the south and rural areas……the same numbers pop up again and again in every poll…..months ago David you said the GOP was in the grip of a fever…….the temperature hasn’t broken yet and shows no signs of doing so

  • MI-GOPer

    BS-boi can’t stop the lying with this newest whooper: “This is about the same number of Republicans who believe Obama wasn’t born in the USA.”

    From the PPP article: “Belief in the ACORN conspiracy theory is even higher among GOP partisans than the birther one, which only 42% of Republicans expressed agreement with on our national survey in September.”

    There is still a difference between 52% and 42%, BS-boi.

    David is wrong to discredit the ire most GOPers have toward the antics and corruption of the Democrat organization know as ACORN. There are many responsible Democrat state officeholders in various states investigating and charging ACORN and union goons with vote fraud. David would discount them and the legal efforts as conspiracy or fiction?

    I think not. If David had ever been defrauded of the vote or an election like America was with Obama in 08, he’d quickly feel the outrage and resolve. And he wouldn’t likely turn it into some 10 Step Kubler-Ross matrix for coming to grips with reality.

    Once again, we find far Left trolls here wanting to quickly divert attention and distract. And we find BS-boi deep in his game of lying.

    The article hits on why responsible people hammer ACORN: “The organization is generally unpopular though, with only 11% of voters viewing it favorably to 53% with an unfavorable opinion and 36% without one. The only politician we’ve polled on this year with comparably bad favorability numbers is John Edwards. The constant harping on ACORN by Republican politicians may sound nutso in some circles, but it certainly has hurt the organization’s image and it looks like the anti-ACORN message may resonate with a decent portion of the American electorate.”

    In a political environ that’s controlled by the Democrats, for us to have blocked ACORN funding, made Obama Messiah look like a snakeoil salesmen in his squirming lies to avoid the ACORN taint… it’s amazing the GOP has accomplished this task.

    David misses the lesson. BS-boi missed the bus… the short, yellow bus.

  • ottovbvs

    MI-GOPer // Nov 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “BS-boi can’t stop the lying with this newest whooper: “This is about the same number of Republicans who believe Obama wasn’t born in the USA.”

    There is still a difference between 52% and 42%, BS-boi.”

    ……Huge difference given MOE’s….HUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE

  • MR FACE

    Mi-Gopher – Are you one of those 52% who believe ACORN is the reason that Obama won?

    Given the 53% to 46% divide between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, “in order to believe that Obama wasn’t the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes.”

    Yeah, that doesn’t sound crazy at all.

  • tdawg11870

    It’s been years and years, yet people still don’t know the difference between voter registration fraud (i.e. making up fake registration forms to scam ACORN et al for money) and voter fraud (ballot stuffing).

    It’s almost like some people don’t care to make this crucial distinction to fit their preconceived narrative.

  • Chekote

    In recent days, I have been involved trading e-mails regarding this same subject. ACORN is not an upstanding organization; however, to blame the GOP losses on them is ridiculous. The GOP lost by a margin of millions. Fraud many be able to influence a tight election where the difference is a few hundred votes. But millions? The reality is that the GOP is not ready to take a serious look at where they went wrong. It has placed all its bets on Obama and Dems screwing up.

  • MR FACE

    Chekote,

    Maybe they placed the right bet.

  • rbottoms

    Some see this as proof of GOP paranoia.

    Ya think.

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  • ottovbvs

    “The PPP poll is more evidence that Republicans remain mired in phase 1. It’ll pass.”

    …….True, but how long is it going to take……it’s all of a piece…….jokesville in the GOP

  • Chekote

    Mr. Face

    You might be right but I still think that a responsible political party has a responsibility to do more than count on the other party to screw up.

  • mlindroo

    Frum noted that “[A] 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately.”

    Mi-GOPer responded:
    > David is wrong to discredit the ire most GOPers have toward the
    > antics and corruption of the Democrat organization know as ACORN.

    What a ridiculous change of subject!

    No matter how horrible ACORN is, no sane individual can argue that Obama’s 365-173 win was due to widespread voter fraud…that his win was illegitimate. Even the usual firebrands (Palin, Limbaugh, Levin, Coulter, Malkin) are not prepared to go that far are they?

    I can’t believe this poll is valid. But if it is, it seems what’s left of the Republican party has gone stark raving mad.

    MARCU$

    (PS: What’s the likelihood of managing to falsify 5 million+ Obama votes in enough states to win without getting caught…. To begin with, you would have to bribe Gallup, Rasmussen and the other pollsters as the opinion polls turned out to be amazingly accurate i.e. McCain received about the predicted number of electoral votes)

  • jruss89

    And I think polls like that are why I share Burke’s distrust of the masses…

  • sinz54

    Here are some numbers:

    Vote Totals
    Obama: 69,456,897 votes (52.9%)
    McCain: 59,934,814 votes (45.7%)
    Difference: 9,522,083 votes

    Way too big a margin to be diddled with furtively.

    Now here are the exit poll results from CNN:

    Males (47%): Obama 49%, McCain 48%
    Females (53%): Obama 56%, McCain 43%

    Obama won because a majority of voters were female; and Obama won female voters by landslide margins (13 points). Sarah Palin didn’t help McCain at all in that regard.

    I have pleaded with my fellow conservatives to examine the exit polls and see just where Obama’s strengths were.

  • Skeptic

    This ACORN nonsense makes me wonder when and if I’ll ever vote Republican again.

    I don’t think I can vote for a Democrat for a long time to come, too…so maybe I’ll retire into the “a plague on both your houses” school.”

    Let me tell you something, though, that really disturbs me. Because I hear it among the Western (mountain states) Republicans I know. The ACORN deal is another fig leaf for venting racist and and anti-urban feelings. These people (many of them my friends) are kindness itself to strangers, white, black and red, but darn it they think urban/black/Sharpton when they think ACORN. And they want to tie Obama to that. Obama is not that. He’s a brilliant liberal/moderate.

    It would be nice if people looked at the man not just the race. Especially Republicans.

    And I’m not going to sign on to any abstract fig-leaf racism — EVER! And I tell them as much.

    Every American should be proud that our country — I’m not sure any other white ethnic nation could claim the same — can elect a black man President, even if you dislike his views.

  • balconesfault

    I have pleaded with my fellow conservatives to examine the exit polls and see just where Obama’s strengths were.

    And that is the problem. Your fellow conservatives, by and large, have convinced themselves that Obama has no strengths, that it was all illusory, at the very best making it to Frums Stage 2 (“because the voters are idiots”), but more likely because McCain was a bad candidate who turned off droves of Conservative voters. Yes – in their mind, the drop from 62 million votes for Bush to 59 million for McCain wasn’t because 3 million Bush voters crossed over while McCain didn’t attract new voters in any significant numbers … but because McCain attracted millions more independents (being a liberal himself, you know) while even more millions of conservatives sat the election out, despite Sarah being on the ballot.

    I don’t know any way to change this perception. At this point the only hope Repubs really have in the short term is hoping Obama fails, which explains a lot of the more nonsensical attacks on him.

  • sinz54

    chekote: The reality is that the GOP is not ready to take a serious look at where they went wrong.
    It’s worse than “they’re not ready,” as I will explain.

    The CNN exit polls provide some real answers to that question.

    McCain won white men (the bedrock of the GOP base) by 16 points. He even won white women by 7 points. And yet, he still lost.

    Because McCain lost blacks (12% of the voters) by an amazing 90 points (they were nearly unanimous for Obama). And McCain lost Hispanics (9% of the voters) by two to one. Those minorities–one fifth of all those who cast votes–gave Obama his victory.

    White voters can’t decide the Presidency anymore, as long as there’s a candidate who can get overwhelming support from minorities and turn them out to vote in large numbers. The base conservatives don’t seem to care about reaching out to minorities though. When I’ve brought this up, they have replied to me that targeting specific ethnic groups goes against their principles of treating all Americans the same. As if campaigning in an Hispanic neighborhood constitutes affirmative action or something.

  • Chekote

    How are you feeling Sinz?

  • Chekote

    Palin is an unmitigated disaster. But you can’t tell that to the base. Same with ACORN. If you suggest that the GOP lost because of other reasons, you get labeled as traitor Obama lover. BTW, her interviews on Fox are pathetic. It is nothing more than MSM bad. Couric bad. People don’t like her because she is pro-life and decided to have Trig. Really pathetic.

  • sdspringy

    Unfortunately Frum’s political analysis is weak, and ever so slanted against his own subscribed party.
    From the poll’s own numbers the respondents were:
    41% = Democrats
    33% = Republicans
    26% = Independents/other

    To reach the much talked about 62% you better be prepared to throw in all Republicans, all Independents and then some Democrats. So we know not all Republicans think this nor do all Independents SO even more Democrats think this same thing, Nutjobs.

    Better yet to reach the 62% number every Conservative and the majority of Moderates would have to buy into the question. And all the Nut job Libs better start taking off their shoes and socks because that’s a majority baby.

    Frum could have showed some intelligence but given the opportunity to back stab the conservatives, well who could blame him. More than likely Frum/Otto have very similar and equal tendency to stick the conservative every chance they get.

  • Addie

    First off, I’m not so sure ACORN stole the presidency but I wouldn’t put it passed them for stealing the primary. There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN!

    I just heard the people behind the ACORN scandal exposure have MANY mMORE tapes and not just of ACORN!!! They are going to wait until it’s closer to election to release them if ACORN is not properly investigated. I love it! I hope they don’t investigate them so we all get to see ACORN and who ever else they have tapes of (I’m guessing SEIU) just prior to the election!

    Chekote – hate much? Jealous much? I am pro-choice and I still LOVE Sarah! In fact, I read in a survey recently that the abortion issue is so low of a prioty, I don;t think it makes much difference any more. Economy, jobs, taxes, national security…ALL TRUMP ABORTION. Seems like the only pathetic one is you….stuck on the Palin hate train. How’s that ride workin’ for you?

  • Chekote

    How’s that ride workin’ for you?

    Great. Everyday Palin provides fresh material.

  • Hikaru

    “I have pleaded with my fellow conservatives to examine the exit polls and see just where Obama’s strengths were.”

    Many say that the key is Independents, but even this is perilous. Since a huge portion of Independents are former Conservative Republicans, the idea that this breaking from Democrats is some kind of big trouble is a little overblown. Democrats will lose seats NOT because of their fecklessness (if that is a word) and their inability to pull a cohesive message about whatever agenda they represent, but rather how a fickle nation likes balance.

    No matter how many times ACORN gets brought up, or birth-certificates get discussed, it doesn’t turn into votes for the GOP. Instead it marginalizes the party and makes them look petty and look like sore losers. (Remember the ‘Official Seal of the Democratic Party’?) Democrats didn’t gain power in 2006 because they b*tched the loudest about the wars, or that GWB had expanded government and taken away more liberties than anyone else knew. They had a few ideas and some big promises that they didn’t keep, but resonated anyway. Average joe figured that what they said sounded reasonable and ran with them.

    Do the Republicans sound reasonable right now?

  • Hikaru

    There was A LOT of voter fraud during the primary and you can bet the majority was thanks to ACORN!

    No. There was voter REGISTRATION fraud in the GENERAL election. I didn’t listen to the left barking about faulty machines in Ohio much, and I certainly don’t find much weight to your claim either.

    Coincidently, only a few people and companies have been charged and convicted with voter fraud, and a majority of them were for Republicans. (Look up fraud in heavy minority or urban districts where they can’t afford the good machines, or lawyers to fight back.)

  • MI-GOPer

    #6, #9???

    Ahhh Mr Face, our newest troll character invented by either TeaBagged or BlankHead –let’s face it, automaticBS has neither the spelling skills nor the creativity for something so devious, so underhanded, so…. well, so democrat party’ish. Still working off that DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe manual: “How to screw the pooch and destroy the debate” are you?

    Mr Face, you’ve been outed. Crawl back under the bridge and chum it up with the other DailyKos trolls, ok? Your 15 seconds of fame went past you without result.

  • MI-GOPer

    Yet another democrat party activst far left troll complains: “Given the 53% to 46% divide between Obama and Sen. John McCain in the 2008 race, “in order to believe that Obama wasn’t the true winner of the 2008 election, one would have to think that ACORN (and perhaps other groups) stuffed ballots to the tune of over 9.5 million votes. Yeah, that doesn’t sound crazy at all.”

    Only to a fire-eater like you, troll.

    There is a very plausible and reasonable study done by academics this spring which shows that it could have been President McCain and Veep Palin if the tally had only switched some 443k votes nationwide. Ask BlankHead for the reference… he lost that argument bigtime already. Do you really think you can man-up where your best troll failed? LOL. We all love that the far Left likes to talk about mandates of the Obama Messiah… but like his WowBowKowTow to the fading Emperor of Japan, the Left flubs it up on this score, too.

    Governing is serious and difficult, troll. Obama and the far Left radicals in his Cabinet –like Stedman-Holder and Timmie-the-Treasurer-TaxCheat are finding that out royally –no pun intended. All Bow to the Obama Messiah… ohmmmmmmmmm, All should love Barack Hussein Obama. Come on, sing it with me. It is futile to resist. The Borg will assimilate.

    http://www.coalitionoftheswilling.net/archives/2009/06/barack_o_borg.html

  • MI-GOPer

    Peyote writes: “Palin is an unmitigated disaster”.

    Hey, thanks for not starting with the usual troll line of “I voted for Reagan but just can’t stand the Republicans anymore” or “I voted for Bush but the GOP drove me away”… or some other nonsense most of your tribe uses daily on this site –and probably many others.

    Palin is such an unmitigated disater that her polling on favorables has jumped 7 points in the last week and Barrie O’s has lost 4-7 points this week, depending on whether or not you need to consult so-called democrat pollsters for solace or if you can take the truth.

  • MI-GOPer

    tdawg weighs in, yet again, sigh: “It’s been years and years, yet people still don’t know the difference between voter registration fraud (i.e. making up fake registration forms to scam ACORN et al for money) and voter fraud (ballot stuffing).” You nailed it on “years and years”; you guys have been doing the vote fraud thing for a while.

    tdawg, really dude, take off that SEIU jacket and tinfoil hat and think for a second. No one makes the distinction because it is irrelevant. Frauding vote officials by turning in bogus registrations so that ACORN can coordinate legions of fellow-trolls, paid by the US taxpayer, to then vote multiple times in urban, pro-Obama areas of swing states is still vote fraud. The Democrats have to get the fake names on the rolls or use dead people’s names… which is trickier. But it doesn’t matter.

    It’s all debasing the integrity of the vote. And you can wonder why Americans don’t trust Democrats when it comes to election reform? It is no small point that when most people think of the birth of voter fraud they think two things: Chicago and Democrats like Daley. Funny that Obama and his Chicago Cronies cover both touchstones, eh?

    Vote fraud, voter registration fraud? No distinction because it’s all debasing the integrity of the vote and our democratic institutions… I know, I know, that doesn’t matter to you. You’re more worried about using vote fraud in Afghanistan as a predicate to announce Obama’s “Cut & Run: VietNam Part Deux” plan. Imagine that??? Obama lecturing Karzai on vote fraud? He’d be better off giving Karzai tips on how to conceal it and litigate contests. Obama is a crook.

  • MR FACE

    Mi-Gopher-

    You are so dramatic. You are obsessed with the word troll.

    My comment #9 was actually a dig at Obama. I think he is really struggling right now. And so is our country. He has made a lot of mistakes. I will admit it.

    The problem is you won’t admit to any mistakes by conservatives or republicans. They can do no wrong in your eyes.