Veterans Earned Their Benefits

November 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm | 54 Comments |

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Thanks alot McCain, I’m sorry I voted for your sorry RINO ass. Of course, I only voted for you because the alternative was unthinkable–but it’s not as if there was a conservative in the running. This latest caper of yours confirms it:

According to reports, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has stepped up his push to block working age retirees from using TRICARE Prime. McCain suggested to the powerful 12-member Joint Select Committee on Debt Reduction it would help avoid spending cuts that would directly impact readiness.

What do you care, McCain? You’re a made man for life: Daddy’s an admiral, academy grad, certified war hero, Senator. You’re the epitome of everything that’s wrong with our system; the living embodiment of the old Roman Patrician class.

Cuts have got to be made, and Lord knows you can’t cut all those bazillian-dollar wasteful weapons programs, because that’d cut into all your Starfleet Command officer buddy’s slice of the pie, and we can’t have that. Just like it’s beyond your puny imagination to consider a ten percent across-the-board cut on all budgetary items–even though with all the waste in the Department of Defense they’d never miss it. Oh HELL no, here’s a better idea: let’s stick it to the veterans–les enfants, “those who cannot speak.”

“That’s right! I’m Maverick John McCain, and what do I care? I got mine,
so what if I put the kibosh on yours? You know what they say, G.I.:
Sorry ’bout that sh*t; better you than me!”

Well let me tell you about me, and twenty three million other guys like me: I gave the most productive years of my life, my health, a little piece of my soul and a good chunk of my sanity to Uncle Sam’s Mean, Lean, Killing Machine; and the medical-coverage-for-life lie was a rude shock we all learned about back during the Clinton years. So now we pay for it – not a lot but not a little either. I need to save money, McCain, because unlike you I ain’t rich, and I need to put my kids through college. I work like a galley slave and I haven’t had a vacation in at least five years: I need to scrimp and save every penny because military retirement isn’t worth doodley-squat and what little we get in disability they turn around and take right out of our retirement.

Take note, America; this is where this Obamacare thing leads to. So much for your “free” Government healthcare; take it away from the single most deserving segment of our society–the veterans.

And you do it in November, no less. The Month of Honor. That’s real classy, McCain. You got real style, got to hand it to you. You rat f*ckin’ bastard.

Let your elected officials know how you feel about Senator McCain’s proposals.

Question: How many veterans are there in the United States?

Answer: According to U.S. Census 2006 projections, there are 23,977,000 veterans living within households in the United States (U.S. Census: National Security & Veterans Affairs). 17,261,000 (nearly 72%) of all U.S. veterans are over the age of 50 which also contributes to the growing need of access to quality health care.

Dirty Little Secret: We’re all Tea Partiers – each and every one of us – and unlike the MTV Generation, we actually get out there and vote. You think 2010 was an eyeopener? That was just a wake-up call. You wait and see what we’ve got in store for you in 2012.


I’m all for cutting federal spending programs – and there are plenty that need cutting – BUT the particular program McCain is suggesting cutting is one of the very few so-called “entitlements” that is actually earned (and consider what we have to go through to earn it!) There is double-extra irony in that to afford the Obamacare monstrosity we have to cut back not only on Tricare but also Medicare and Medicaid–the (already existing) government healthcare programs that actually work.

Keeping with the concept that if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem, I do suggest a 10% across-the-board cut to the DoD budget as an alternative.

Veterans “entitlements” are anything but because they are actually earned by the single most worthy of recipients, and as such should be sancrosanct. They are a part & parcel of G.I. pay. How much should a G.I. Be paid? Let me answer that question with a question: how much should a guy get paid, for a job description that includes: “I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.” (U.S. Military Code of Conduct)

The answer is represented by the symbol for infinity.

Originally Posted at Stormbringer.

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54 Comments so far ↓

  • Gypsum Fantastic

    “We’re all Tea Partiers – each and every one of us – and unlike the MTV Generation, we actually get out there and vote. You think 2010 was an eyeopener? That was just a wake-up call. You wait and see what we’ve got in store for you in 2012.”

    Apart from the veteran who was shot at the Occupy protest, obviously. And all the millions of others who would be ashamed at your presumption to speak for every one of them.

    Given that veterans are such an unstoppable force and the “MTV generation” is so pathetic (I can’t even remember the last time I heard that phrase – the actual MTV generation is now about 40), how did Obama ever win in the first place? In fact, how do Democrats ever win?

  • Watusie

    Did you actually pause and think that one embroidered patch wouldn’t do anything to advance your argument, but if you repeated it 4X it would do the trick?

    Even Red State would be a bit embarrassed by your childishness.

  • TerryF98

    Linnane will never admit it but Obama has done more for Veterans than any President since WW2. McCain on the other hand is a douche bag who talks a good veterans talk but whose record is dismal.

  • Oldskool

    You “rat” and your “f*cking” are backwards. It should be “you f*cking rat bastard”. If I know anything it’s Cursing 101.

    Most other “entitlements” are also earned but your party prefers language that delegitimizes anything they’d like to see on the chopping block.

    And I presume you were paid during your time in the military. While it’s a noble thing to do, I doubt it’s any riskier than anything cops or firefighters or contruction workers do every day to earn a living. Construction workers around here rarely have ANY kind of health benefits or pensions.

    • Graychin

      I’m a Vietnam veteran who is damn tired of veterans who think their poop doesn’t stink by virtue of their military service. Of course griping is part of the military experience, but this whiner takes it to another dimension.

      What you are entitled to was earned, but what I earned (with my tax payments) are entitlements? Right! Banishing the word “entitlement” from the English language would clear a lot fog from the conversation.

      I suggest that you vote more thoughtfully in the future. The people with those yellow ribbon magnets and flag lapel pins will profess their undying love for veterans and say they “support the troops” to all within range. But actions speak louder than words, magnets and pins.

      How about letting the Senate TALK about a jobs bill for veterans. Can we do that? Please.

  • TerryF98

    “Answer: According to U.S. Census 2006 projections, there are 23,977,000 veterans living within households in the United States (U.S. Census: National Security & Veterans Affairs). 17,261,000 (nearly 72%) of all U.S. veterans are over the age of 50 which also contributes to the growing need of access to quality health care.

    Dirty Little Secret: We’re all Tea Partiers – each and every one of us – and unlike the MTV Generation, we actually get out there and vote. You think 2010 was an eyeopener? That was just a wake-up call. You wait and see what we’ve got in store for you in 2012.”

    NO YOU ARE NOT, Sorry to shout but you are totally and completely wrong and insane to even sugest such a monstrosity of a lie.

    I think it’s hilarious that Linnane now feels outraged at being stiffed by the GOP. Welcome to how the rest of us have been feeling for years!

    • medinnus

      Clearly, what that ignorant, jingoistic fraud who doesn’t understand the first thing about the country he purports to love means that if you aren’t a Tea Partier, you aren’t a real American – he takes his cues from idiots like Bachmann and Palin really well, since having an original thought clearly has a Libruhl Bias.

    • Primrose

      While I agree that we shouldn’t cut veteren benefits, Mr. Linnae’s article continues to sound rabid not rational.

      And I am offended on behalf of my father, and any number of Veterans who are not Tea Party folks, they aren’t even republicans.That is a lie.

      But in Mr. Linnae’s world only people like him are worthwhile, so he’ll pretend everyone he would have to respect (his fellow veterans) agree.

      The problem with such simplistic bigotry is that even when people agree with your solution, they won’t be persuaded.

      Perhaps, Mr. Linnae, in your edits, you should automatically get rid of what most pleases you, as Hemingway did, so we the readers are left with reasoned argument.

  • LawnBoy

    Let’s see…

    Government sucks, except when I get something from it, and anyone who disagrees with me isn’t a True Scotsman.

    Yep, it’s a Tea Party rant.

  • indy

    I’m all for cutting federal spending programs – and there are plenty that need cutting – BUT…

    Another laugh out loud comedic moment. Dude, you’re killing me… (and no, that wasn’t an invitation). Get rid of all the government that doesn’t benefit me directly because I EARNED mine. Everybody else is a freeloader. I never would have guessed you were a TPer.

  • Elvis Elvisberg

    America: Love it or leave it.

    Go back to Canada, you socialist nanny-state loving weenie.

  • D Furlano

    Oh please go back from where ever you came. You’re a blithering fool who is to afraid to use his own name.

  • CautiousProgressive

    This article is shrill, crude, and insulting. I am sympathetic to veterans and their healthcare concerns, but the author is apparently trying very hard to destroy my sympathy.

    Further….

    Dirty Little Secret: We’re all Tea Partiers – each and every one of us

    Really??

    A counterexample: I rent from (and am good friends with) an EXTREMELY liberal married couple — a former Marine and a former Air Reserve officer respectively. They *loath* the tea-party.

  • ottovbvs

    “I’m all for cutting federal spending programs – and there are plenty that need cutting – BUT…”

    This is another variant of the militarist brand of Keynesianism which states that defense cuts COST JOBS while education, medicare, environmental et al cuts don’t cost jobs but in fact CREATE JOBS.

  • think4yourself

    Sean, I didn’t vote for McCain (although I did in the 2000 primary). I clicked through your link it’s not specific about McCain’s proposal. Did McCain suggest that all working age former military not have access to Tri-Care at all? Or is he suggesting some option to help restrain costs?

    If I read the Tri-care website correctly, you’re paying $21.66 per month, $43,33 per month for a family. As someone self-employed with a pre-existing condition (asthma – even though I haven’t had any doctor’s visits for it for over 25 YEARS!), my families health insurance costs were over $1,800 per month! So I don’t have alot of sympathy for you.

    If you have an employer who will give you coverage that costs you a couple of hundred out of pocket a month, I wouldn’t have you on Tri-Care either. If you have an income outside of your military income, your Tri-care costs, which are certainly greater than $43.33 per month for your family should cost you more – but you should have access to it.

    I do appreciate the service and sacrife of our military personnell (although the independent contractors, doing the work that the military quit doing who got killed have made equivalent sacrifices, but without the recognition). I do think we ought to make difficult military cuts (along with cuts in the other entitlement programs). However, I also know that in the first 3 years of the Iraq war, we hugely expanded pay and benefits for military for recruitment reasons. Perhaps it’s time to give some of that back. As to your complaint that you risked your life and then the deal changed – let’s be honest here. Unless you have a Purple Heart, spent numerous combat field missions (as some of my friends have) or were killed in the line of duty, your situation is not any worse today than before you served. I’m not knocking your service, but you were not one who paid the ultimate sacrifice or (I’m guessing) not one of those who will require the services of the VA for the rest of your life – they are the ones we ought to make sure recieve these benefits. If you don’t like it, then perhaps you ought to follow Herman Cain’s advice and go get a job and quit asking the gov’t to support you.

  • indy

    You wait and see what we’ve got in store for you in 2012.

    Uh, McCain isn’t up again until 2016 is he? Whad’ya gonna do, vote democrat?

  • hisgirlfriday

    Finally a Sean Linnane column I like.

    Sure, Sean could be a little less petty and off-putting with his writing style, and he’s certainly wrongheaded in thinking McCain’s failure to fully support veterans stems from his RINO tendencies rather than his establishment Republican tendencies that puts profits ahead of people.

    But on the important point of the veterans benefit cuts being proposed at present by both Republicans and Democrats on the Supercommittee, cuts that shortchange veterans in order to preserve wasteful programs, weapons projects and contracts with companies like Blackwater that stand to make a lot of money from them and donate a lot of money into the campaign coffers of Congressmen, I couldn’t agree more strongly with the author that this is a sorry development for our country and our military.

    What makes the American military great is its people more than its leaders, its technology and equipment or its contractors. Cutting benefits to veterans not only breaks a promise to those who have given everything to their fellow citizens leading to some potentially disastrous consequences in a bleak economy (hello Bonus Army), but it also leads to a weaker, worse military that can’t attract the best people that America has to offer and has to instead settle for desperate people who don’t really care about their country but just have nothing else to do. That’s a recipe for disaster.

    I am not a veteran myself and since my grandfather served as a Marine in World War II no one in my immediate family has served.

    But as a taxpayer who employs veterans to protect my rights, my property and my life, I am willing to pay top dollar to ensure that veterans have the best possible health care and benefits possible, even veterans I may not agree with politically on most issues like Sean Linnane. I would hope most of my fellow taxpayers feel the same way. And I would hope my representatives in Congress felt the same way.

    • Frumplestiltskin

      you like this hysteria? He is a terrible writer. I agree with you that if government makes promises to servicemen it must keep faith with those promises, and if it means raising my taxes to do so I am in favor of it. But where does Linnane call for tax increases? Nope, it is cut everything (even when government has made other commitments, but don’t touch my piece of the pie).
      and then there was this: I need to save money, McCain, because unlike you I ain’t rich, and I need to put my kids through college.

      just last post he was saying he was (somehow) not part of the 99% but part of the 1% because he has a net worth of the top 10%. So he was lying then or he is lying now.

      I honestly question this guys sanity, or maybe he is just totally drunk whenever he writes.

  • dante

    Typical teabagger, always wanting to cut *other* people’s benefits but not their own. Teachers? Overpaid socialists paying far less for health care than private-sector workers in the “real world”. Military? Upstanding real patriotic Americans who are underpaid and deserve the cheap/free health care that’s supplied for them by the American taxpayer.

    I’ve yet to meet a teabagger who is willing to cut off their *own* little bit of government cheese, only other people’s. It’s the reason the movement is founded on hypocrisy and vitriol, as opposed to anything worth governing by.

    • Chris Balsz

      The military is the one group receiving federal benefits that was not free to go to night school, or take a second job, or run up debt launching their own business, or jump careers.

      • Primrose

        No instead school was partially to completely paid for.They were also continually retrained, at no expense to themselves. They received housing allowances, and had the their healthcare completely covered whether they were on mission or not. I don’t begrudge a penny but to write as if they received no job leg up compared to people you are out to blame is simply not true.

  • MSheridan

    “I need to save money, McCain, because unlike you I ain’t rich, and I need to put my kids through college. I work like a galley slave and I haven’t had a vacation in at least five years: I need to scrimp and save every penny because military retirement isn’t worth doodley-squat and what little we get in disability they turn around and take right out of our retirement.”

    The other day you brought up, rather awkwardly, the fact that you fall within the top 10%, which according to the recent WSJ calculator means your household income is somewhere north of $154,000. Now granted, this is not necessarily inconsistent with the quote above, but it is telling that you, with so much more than the vast majority of the country, so strongly resent the loss of a benefit many sick people couldn’t qualify for even if they wanted. Despite generally very good luck in the genetic lottery, I am nearly blind in one eye (correcting to 20/20 in the other). It was nearly comical how quickly recruiters lost interest in talking to me when this came up. Many people have much more serious health issues that keep them out of the Armed Forces and cause them to incur serious and ongoing health care costs. Just their tough luck, eh?

    • icarusr

      Not to mention all the f*gs and d*kes under DADT.

    • Graychin

      He’s in whatever income category it takes to help him make his point.

      He’s full of Shinola.

    • Giggles

      No holiday. Bull.

      Just last week we had the ‘stream O’consciousness‘ about how you loved Paris and the classic Du vin, du pain, dude write like Hemingway rant.

      Please don’t take my benefits, take it from those evil teachers who taught my kids for the last 15 years. My kids are now in college and I don’t need that dirty educated/lefty/socialist scum no more.

  • icarusr

    “Take note, America; this is where this Obamacare thing leads to. So much for your “free” Government healthcare; take it away from the single most deserving segment of our society–the veterans.”

    Er … does this even make any sense?

    It’s like, every time there is a column here remotely critical of a Republican assistant deputy dog-catcher-elect in Buttehole, Montana, there has to be an obligatory, “Damn Obama” or “Goddamn Obamacare” in it.

    What Obamacare does is to ensure that every American has access to basic health care that you do. And they all “earn” it because they are all taxpayers and citizens.

    We have universal coverage in Canada. Yes, I have to wait for elective surgery. Yes, some procedures are not covered. But I know – for a fact – that catastrophic illness will not result in bankruptcy, that strokes and heart attacks and cancer are dealt with immediately and well, that doctors have a personal stake in keeping you healthy … and that any decision as to limitation of care or payment for care will be made democratically, by my representatives in Parliament, for the good of all, rather than by a corporate insurance office in Amsterdam.

    Frankly, sir, any misfortune that befalls a Republican voter such as you as a result of cuts to the government teat upon which they suckle is your own fault and none other. No sympathy – none at all – for the likes of you.

    • nuser

      every time there is a column………
      Maybe Linnane has a good teacher. I can think of a person who knocks his own party and
      bashes Obama at the same time.

    • Primrose

      “Er … does this even make any sense?”

      No, Icarusr, it does not. I was prepared to agree with this article of his and wondered how I would react to an article I agreed with. Apparently, the same as all his others. I really think Mr. Linnae should be phased out of the writer rotation, or more heavily edited.

  • andydp

    Most of you know I’m Retired Military. I have TRICARE standard that simply covers my co pays. I could qualify for the TRICARE Prime because its cheaper than my civilian health care from work. In fact, some of my co workers do take the TRICARE Prime because event though they’re pulling in $ 80K or so its cheaper.

    Do I think these deserving veterans should be allowed to get TRICARE Prime when they should be getting the civilian health care they are offered at the US Postal Service ? My answer is a resounding NO !!! THEY are milking the system plain and simple.

    Do I think a deserving Veteran should be able to buy TRICARE when his current crappy job does not have a decent health plan ? Or does not offer one at alll ? Or he’s unemployed ? You bet !!!

    If I recall, the objective of offering TRICARE to all qualified Military was to help them if they did not have coverage. I do not think anyone should be getting this benefit if they have coverage available through work. Some provision could be made to offer a program as a supplement to crappy insurance but NOT as the primary insurance if there is a plan at work. OR as in Mr Linnae’s case, making the big bucs.

    Sean, I’ll save you the deniability. You make decent bucks as some sort of consultant/contractor/advisor. (I still think you have a financial relationship with Blackwater/xe) YOU should be paying a lot more for your TRICARE coverage than a junior E-5 with a family of four. Sorry this will impact your ability to get that 7 series BMW.

    • Primrose

      Andydp, could you explain to me what this is actually about? Several posters seemed to indicate that all that is being asked is a slight increase for people who can afford it but of course , Mr. Linnae’s article was written in his usual style so clarity from it is impossible.

      Is this all Mr, Linnae’s anger is about, that a well-off vet can’t get the cheapest vetren rate?

      • andydp

        TRICARE was designed to provide Active, Retired and Reserve Military with health care benefits. It was designed to get health care to all members of the Military so they could be deployable and provide their families with health care before deployment. Upon Retirement it would provide them health insurance until MEDICARE kicked in then it becomes the supplemental plan.

        It was really designed for the poor slob in West VA who was too poor or unable to get a decent health care policy for themselves and family. I may note it was designed to be inexpensive so each Military person could afford it.

        You can read up on TRICARE here:

        http://www.military.com/benefits/tricare

        What Senator McCain wants to do is eliminate TRICARE eligibility for RETIREES WHO ARE WORKING. Meaning they would have to get their insurance from their work place. I have a couple of co workers who have TRICARE because its cheaper than the plans offered at work. (I have the civilian plan) I’m thinking Mr Linnae is in this category. You can read the full story here – please note when I went there my PC froze up.

        http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/11/plans-to-take-tricare-prime-from-retirees/

        What would happen under Sen McCain’s proposal, is Mr Linnae’s cheap insurace would dry up and he would have to go to the HR department at his Beltway Bandit Company and get their (expensive) insurance. So much for caring about other Vets. Like it was said during Watergate: Follow the money.

        I should also note TRICARE is designed to be the secondary insurance. I have read that some people who are eligible for TRICARE negotiate a higher salary by saying they will use TRICARE as their insurance. (Nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

        I think eligibility tests could be designed to make sure those who really need it can stay on the program.

        • Primrose

          Thanks Andydp.

          That seems fair to me. I don’t want any vet without health insurance since the physical ramifications of serving can kick in years later. The ramifications of my dad’s year as a Geiger counter holder in the marines, kicked in a good 40 plus years later. So if he was poorer, he would have been in real trouble.

          However, on the other hand, if you are working at a place with average rate insurance, then you essentially have it. If you wanted to add a sliding supplement to those rates for veterans, I might be convinced.

          It does seem that Mr. Linnae thinks he is the only person with bills in this world the way he talks about them. My husband has just been downsized and a glance at the monthly rate for Cobra is 1200 and change a month (but it was very late when I read it). I’d be happy to go back to just how much we paid when the company took on the burden too.

          It’s not as if only Vets have to pay for their kids college after all.

  • Houndentenor

    Not all veterans are Tea Partiers. They also aren’t all Republicans. But it’s interesting that you seem to ignore that Democrats are more likely to vote for veterans’ benefits. I don’t understand the loyalty some in the military have to the GOP. The Republicans are only loyal to the military contractors, not to the individuals who served.

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      Also, Republicans are more likely to send troops halfway around the world to die for no apparent reason or benefit to America.

      But, in GOP world, criticizing the president for invading Iraq for an ever-shifting array of contradictory, nonsensical reasons is unpatriotic, whereas incandescent outrage over the Heritage Foundation’s health insurance reform plan as enacted by Congress & signed by the president is the sine qua non of patriotism.

      • Churl

        “Also, Republicans are more likely to send troops halfway around the world to die for no apparent reason or benefit to America.”

        One could point out that Democrats have done a bit of sending troops around the world, to die for no apparent reason or benefit to America as well. Think of Truman and Korea, or Kennedy and Johnson and Vietnam.

        Of course it might be unfair to spring this information on you, since these wars occurred before the advent of Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or wherever you seem to get your information.

  • NRA Liberal

    I think if one were to untangle the various murky threads hidden in this Linnane piece, the current state of American politics would be made clear.

    • icarusr

      It would require Poirot and Sherlock, both on uppers, to untangle this mess.

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  • _will_

    no seriously, you’re 11 years old, right?

  • el gato libre

    As a member of the MTV generation (i’m in my late thirties) that you dissed for no reason, I thought I would bring up a couple of points.

    Two days ago you were bragging about being part of the top 10%! You also said this:

    “I don’t have a problem with the rich 1%ers; they pay me good money to do what I do.”

    Now you’re frothing at the mouth against “the old Roman Patrician class.” Has your good money gone bad in the last two days? Or are you just a bitter crank whose default setting is to spew invective at nearly everything that catches your eye?

    Also:You quoted Confucius in your last thread–“Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.”–as part of your rant slamming the OWS protesters.

    But today you reveal that you “work like a galley slave” and “haven’t had a vacation in at least five years.”

    There seems to be some inconsistency here. Perhaps you could clear it up for me.

    Or at the very least, chill out a bit. Relax, dude. I’ll throw some shrimp on the barbie for ya!

    P.S. Your blogsite Stormfr…er…Stormbringer has another epigram on top–Nietzsche’s “That which does not kill me makes me stronger.” Why don’t you follow your own advice and buck up, buddy!

    • Elvis Elvisberg

      Huh, really, “stormbringer”? I’d always misread it as either a tribute to the Dixiecrats (“strombringer”) or a reference to the writer’s physical characteristics (“mouthbreather”). Thanks for your more cautious reading.

      • MSheridan

        What I don’t understand is naming his political blog after the evil, soul-eating, world-destroying, black blade of Elric of Melniboné. I too have some appreciation for the oeuvre of Michael Moorcock, but that seems like taking fandom a bit too far.

  • djmeph

    Sean, you have a lot of anger and rage. You really need to get a grip. Who knows, maybe you can come here to Michigan and take advantage of our medical marijuana laws, because you seriously need to mellow out before you end up with skeletons in your closet. (literally)

    As I’m reading through the comments, even the people who agree with you are still maintaining a distance from your rantings because you give off a really creepy vibe. You are one of the 10 people left in this country that think McCain lost because he wasn’t conservative enough, after he spent the two years leading up to the election completely selling out the very fabric of what he once stood for, and chose the most unqualified, batsh*t insane, right-wing VP candidate the GOP could muster up, just to try to appeal to idiots like you.

    Judging by this, I’d say that you haven’t really looked too much past the surface of what McCain is saying here. I may even agree with you. I wouldn’t want our government to do anything to cut the health benefits that are needed for veterans, because in the end that would end up costing us even more. Just like with senior citizens, if we don’t allow the government to negotiate health care costs on their behalf, their health care will cost us a lot more too.

    However, when it comes to reigning in unnecessary costs, no one, not even veterans are immune from the chopping block. A true Tea Party activist would know this. A true patriot would do a little bit more research before flailing their fingers across their keyboard in such manner as you just did.

  • baw1064

    [i] how much should a guy get paid, for a job description that includes: “I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.” (U.S. Military Code of Conduct)

    The answer is represented by the symbol for infinity. [/i]

    I acknowledge your point, but where is that money going to come from? Are you planning to strangle Grover Norquist in the bathtub?

  • tctribune

    First, everything needs to be on the table for reform. That includes military benefits. Absolutely. McCain’s idea is actually a good one. Military personnel can retire fully after only 20 years of service. They get 50% of their base pay, plus cost of living increases every year, for the rest of their life. That also applies to their spouse after the service member dies. In addition, they get healthcare for the rest of their life (and spouse) from the date of retirement, along with continued privileges at the base commissary and etc, etc. The taxpayer pays for all of it. At the age of 38 and with life expectancy so high now, we could very well be paying those benefits for 40 plus years. That’s twice the time of service. Let’s get real.

    We have to cut somewhere, and McCain’s idea is good. Many military personnel are between 38 and 42 yr old when they retire. That’s pretty young. They’re perfectly capable of getting another job that provides healthcare until they reach their mid 60s, when we can then place them back in either the military system or Medicare. There is nothing wrong with that.

    The argument that somehow it’s not fair or conservative or patriotic or whatever because you think military personnel shouldn’t have some adjustments to their benefits is absurd. No one, or program, or government agency should be exempt. All entitlement programs should be up for reform. The States need to get their house and order and do the same.

  • Rabiner

    Haven’t public employees earned their benefits? or Seniors? or any other group that has some form of government assistance coming their way? Your argument is basically ‘I want to cut services for others but not for me’.

  • jdd_stl1

    Sean,

    I am sympathetic to idea that veterans have earned their benefits.

    Some points in your post, however, just don’t ring true and don’t
    help your cause.

    Suggesting that the debt/deficit problem we have right now is
    because of the Affordable Care Act, is
    just not founded in fact. Did you give any consideration that our
    current debt/deficit problems were in part caused by the Bush Tax cuts,
    or our current wars? Or perhaps the global recession has something
    to do with it?
    The ACA hasn’t really kicked in yet so it can’t
    be causing much of our current problem.

    And as others have noted, it is ridiculous to claim that all veterans are
    Tea Party members. Granted, I don’t have any statistics on that but…

  • Russnet

    Are you kidding me???? On top of the complete inanity of this post, quote, McCain, “you “rat f*ckin bastard”?!????

    I don’t know this Linnane from a55hole in the wall, Frum, but if I see this idiot as a contributor again on your blog, your blog becomes minus 1. Permanently.

    RUSSNET