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		<title>By: ben thumb</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-65540</link>
		<dc:creator>ben thumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;these people, regardless of what side they are on, must be weeded out, isolated, marginalized, and other extreme measures.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;these people, regardless of what side they are on, must be weeded out, isolated, marginalized, and other extreme measures.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-63659</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama’s advice to students: Be careful about saying nutty things online

Sage words, my friends. Left unmentioned: If you ignore his advice and crank up the crazy, you can always get a job as a czar in the Obama White House. They won’t even Google you.

According to several White House sources, Jones was hired for his “green jobs czar” positions over concerns raised by the White House Counsel’s Office, after Jones’s background materials came back with several of what were termed “inconsistencies” in the Standard Form 86 Questionnaire for National Security Positions.

The counsel’s office places part of the blame on the Office for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement, which is overseen by Obama Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President Valerie Jarrett. Jones’s “czar” job was created by the OIAPE, and Jarrett interviewed Jones for the position. In speeches before far-left groups over the past five months, Jarrett touted Jones’s hiring, in part, because the groups, many of which count 9/11 truthers and radical environmentalists and anti-capitalists as members, were familiar with Jones’s brand of anti-Americanism and economic radicalism…

Jarrett did view Jones as a critical member of the administration for her outreach efforts, in part,&lt;b&gt; because he was so well known and respected in the radical-left world&lt;/b&gt; the administration is counting on to help with issues like health care and cap and tax, and, more 

The key word there is, of course, “because.” Jones wasn’t hired in spite of his background; he was hired because of it, because he could be counted on to rally the sort of soft-headed fringe-left morons who get off on the idea of a White House advisor with a fringe-left past. Team Barry might not have known specifically about the Truther stuff, but if so, that’s only because they went out of their way not to find out.

Skip ahead to 1:40 for the key exchange. One other point left unmentioned by The One: If you do screw up badly and embrace a cause that’s utterly obnoxious, you can count on the left to try to mainstream it to save your ass. Exit fun fact: At this same Q&amp;A, Obama evidently told students that he regrets not having studied more math as a kid. I think we all regret it, champ.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/08/obamas-advice-to-students-be-careful-about-saying-nutty-things-online/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s advice to students: Be careful about saying nutty things online</p>
<p>Sage words, my friends. Left unmentioned: If you ignore his advice and crank up the crazy, you can always get a job as a czar in the Obama White House. They won’t even Google you.</p>
<p>According to several White House sources, Jones was hired for his “green jobs czar” positions over concerns raised by the White House Counsel’s Office, after Jones’s background materials came back with several of what were termed “inconsistencies” in the Standard Form 86 Questionnaire for National Security Positions.</p>
<p>The counsel’s office places part of the blame on the Office for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement, which is overseen by Obama Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President Valerie Jarrett. Jones’s “czar” job was created by the OIAPE, and Jarrett interviewed Jones for the position. In speeches before far-left groups over the past five months, Jarrett touted Jones’s hiring, in part, because the groups, many of which count 9/11 truthers and radical environmentalists and anti-capitalists as members, were familiar with Jones’s brand of anti-Americanism and economic radicalism…</p>
<p>Jarrett did view Jones as a critical member of the administration for her outreach efforts, in part,<b> because he was so well known and respected in the radical-left world</b> the administration is counting on to help with issues like health care and cap and tax, and, more </p>
<p>The key word there is, of course, “because.” Jones wasn’t hired in spite of his background; he was hired because of it, because he could be counted on to rally the sort of soft-headed fringe-left morons who get off on the idea of a White House advisor with a fringe-left past. Team Barry might not have known specifically about the Truther stuff, but if so, that’s only because they went out of their way not to find out.</p>
<p>Skip ahead to 1:40 for the key exchange. One other point left unmentioned by The One: If you do screw up badly and embrace a cause that’s utterly obnoxious, you can count on the left to try to mainstream it to save your ass. Exit fun fact: At this same Q&amp;A, Obama evidently told students that he regrets not having studied more math as a kid. I think we all regret it, champ.</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/08/obamas-advice-to-students-be-careful-about-saying-nutty-things-online/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/08/obamas-advice-to-students-be-careful-about-saying-nutty-things-online/</a></p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-63454</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These folks seem to be lamenting the fact that they have lost control of media, via bandwidth increases which have democratized media.  They no longer can protect their far Left kooks in positions of power.  

Priceless!

Power to the People!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These folks seem to be lamenting the fact that they have lost control of media, via bandwidth increases which have democratized media.  They no longer can protect their far Left kooks in positions of power.  </p>
<p>Priceless!</p>
<p>Power to the People!</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-63453</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comedy Gold!... Leftist MSM Reporters Beat Up On Internet After Van Jones Resigns (Video)

Gots to cover for the Obama man, Communist Radicals in the White House, and the MSM&#039;s own gross incompetence or more likely outright partisanship/political bias.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/right-on-time-leftist-msm-reporters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedy Gold!&#8230; Leftist MSM Reporters Beat Up On Internet After Van Jones Resigns (Video)</p>
<p>Gots to cover for the Obama man, Communist Radicals in the White House, and the MSM&#8217;s own gross incompetence or more likely outright partisanship/political bias.</p>
<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/right-on-time-leftist-msm-reporters.html" rel="nofollow">http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/right-on-time-leftist-msm-reporters.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-63449</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via Ron Radosh, historian of the Radical Left...

Lessons from the Van Jones resignation...

http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/09/06/the-lessons-of-the-van-jones-resignation/

What he calls a smear campaign is simply an accurate pointing out of what he believed and how recent his beliefs are.

The reports this morning concentrate on Jones’ signing of the 9/11 truther petition, which Jones has said he never agreed with, and on which his name was used without his permission. Early this morning, the White House was still defending him. Nancy Sutley, who heads the White House environmental council, said in a statement early Sunday that Jones “had been a strong voice for creating jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources,” ABC reported.

In other words, they are trying to make it appear that someone who wrote a best-selling book on the green economy would have made a great contribution, but now to save the President’s program is no longer able to proceed. They have not showed, as so many bloggers have, how Jones’ views on the environment are also extremely radical, and racist to boot. They have not showed, as I pointed out earlier this week, how Jones means his green jobs movement as a stepping stone to overturning the “oppressive” and exploitative economic system in America.

econdly, because of his Sunday resignation, the media has not picked up on the latest video report featured on Powerlineblog and Gateway Pundit that exposed the CD issued by Jones and the group he founded, The Ella Baker Freedom Center. Since Jones produced and distributed the CD, and is actually on it himself voicing vicious anti-Israel smears in which he says the “occupation” of Palestine by Israel began in 1948, there is no possible way he can dissociate himself from it. Moreover, others on the CD talk about America as the real enemy of freedom and accuse our troops of being baby-killers.

(I might add that the name of Jones’ Oakland group, The Ella Baker Freedom Center, is most appropriate. Most people have referred to the late Baker as simply a civil rights activist. I am writing from vacation in Nantucket, without benefit of my files at home. But in my book, Divided They Fell: The Demise of the Democratic Party, 1964-1996, I point out that the late civil rights lawyer Joe Rauh had noted that everything Baker said in the 60’s might as well have been taken verbatim from The Daily Worker, the Communist Party newspaper. Baker was so pro-Communist that she attacked Hubert Humphrey and other liberal anti-Communists as ultra reactionaries.  Known as the “grandmother of SNCC,” Baker was aligned with those in the movement who were trying to push the organization to the far left.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via Ron Radosh, historian of the Radical Left&#8230;</p>
<p>Lessons from the Van Jones resignation&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/09/06/the-lessons-of-the-van-jones-resignation/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/09/06/the-lessons-of-the-van-jones-resignation/</a></p>
<p>What he calls a smear campaign is simply an accurate pointing out of what he believed and how recent his beliefs are.</p>
<p>The reports this morning concentrate on Jones’ signing of the 9/11 truther petition, which Jones has said he never agreed with, and on which his name was used without his permission. Early this morning, the White House was still defending him. Nancy Sutley, who heads the White House environmental council, said in a statement early Sunday that Jones “had been a strong voice for creating jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources,” ABC reported.</p>
<p>In other words, they are trying to make it appear that someone who wrote a best-selling book on the green economy would have made a great contribution, but now to save the President’s program is no longer able to proceed. They have not showed, as so many bloggers have, how Jones’ views on the environment are also extremely radical, and racist to boot. They have not showed, as I pointed out earlier this week, how Jones means his green jobs movement as a stepping stone to overturning the “oppressive” and exploitative economic system in America.</p>
<p>econdly, because of his Sunday resignation, the media has not picked up on the latest video report featured on Powerlineblog and Gateway Pundit that exposed the CD issued by Jones and the group he founded, The Ella Baker Freedom Center. Since Jones produced and distributed the CD, and is actually on it himself voicing vicious anti-Israel smears in which he says the “occupation” of Palestine by Israel began in 1948, there is no possible way he can dissociate himself from it. Moreover, others on the CD talk about America as the real enemy of freedom and accuse our troops of being baby-killers.</p>
<p>(I might add that the name of Jones’ Oakland group, The Ella Baker Freedom Center, is most appropriate. Most people have referred to the late Baker as simply a civil rights activist. I am writing from vacation in Nantucket, without benefit of my files at home. But in my book, Divided They Fell: The Demise of the Democratic Party, 1964-1996, I point out that the late civil rights lawyer Joe Rauh had noted that everything Baker said in the 60’s might as well have been taken verbatim from The Daily Worker, the Communist Party newspaper. Baker was so pro-Communist that she attacked Hubert Humphrey and other liberal anti-Communists as ultra reactionaries.  Known as the “grandmother of SNCC,” Baker was aligned with those in the movement who were trying to push the organization to the far left.)</p>
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		<title>By: mthen</title>
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		<dc:creator>mthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz54 &quot;Obama’s science advisor, John Holdren, doesn’t believe anything of the kind.&quot;

Im not saying that Obama hired this guy to kill Grandma but its not as simple as you put it either.
Ive read a bit of the book in question beyond the snippets on the internet and it is not simply a survey of existing pop control measures although it does discuss them. Its also not so easy to say that the text does not advocate these policies. One also cant say that the text does advocate them as it calls &quot;voluntary&quot; population control measures &quot;preferable&quot;. The thing is that the tone of the text (as it discusses some way out there coercive measures) is not only not negative or even a neutral academic tone but it reads as slightly positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz54 &#8220;Obama’s science advisor, John Holdren, doesn’t believe anything of the kind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Im not saying that Obama hired this guy to kill Grandma but its not as simple as you put it either.<br />
Ive read a bit of the book in question beyond the snippets on the internet and it is not simply a survey of existing pop control measures although it does discuss them. Its also not so easy to say that the text does not advocate these policies. One also cant say that the text does advocate them as it calls &#8220;voluntary&#8221; population control measures &#8220;preferable&#8221;. The thing is that the tone of the text (as it discusses some way out there coercive measures) is not only not negative or even a neutral academic tone but it reads as slightly positive.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/van-jones-and-911-denialism/comment-page-2#comment-63326</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And political correctness prevents liberals from insisting that developing countries undertake measures that the developed West doesn’t have to.  --- sinz

This is absolutely correct.  

Because it amounts to genocide.

Id love to see Planned Parenthood open up branches all over the cities in Islamic countries, manned by Leftwing movement volunteers, bringing choice to Muslim women.  That would be quite the spectacle, and very dangerous as well, I would imagine (though Ill probably be called a racist for saying so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And political correctness prevents liberals from insisting that developing countries undertake measures that the developed West doesn’t have to.  &#8212; sinz</p>
<p>This is absolutely correct.  </p>
<p>Because it amounts to genocide.</p>
<p>Id love to see Planned Parenthood open up branches all over the cities in Islamic countries, manned by Leftwing movement volunteers, bringing choice to Muslim women.  That would be quite the spectacle, and very dangerous as well, I would imagine (though Ill probably be called a racist for saying so).</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbottoms:

I don&#039;t think the blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, peaceniks, and youthful &quot;netroots&quot; of Obama&#039;s coalition worked hard to elect Obama just to get health care reform.

That may be the only &quot;prize&quot; worth speaking of, as far as you&#039;re concerned.

But it&#039;s not the only &quot;prize&quot; they care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbottoms:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, peaceniks, and youthful &#8220;netroots&#8221; of Obama&#8217;s coalition worked hard to elect Obama just to get health care reform.</p>
<p>That may be the only &#8220;prize&#8221; worth speaking of, as far as you&#8217;re concerned.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not the only &#8220;prize&#8221; they care about.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>escapevelocity:
Obama&#039;s science advisor, John Holdren, doesn&#039;t believe anything of the kind.

He had once &lt;i&gt;surveyed&lt;/i&gt; population control measures around the world.   But he wasn&#039;t an advocate of most of them.

He was an advocate of non-coercive population control measures.

For America, the question is moot. America&#039;s population would be stable without a constant influx of immigrants.

And political correctness prevents liberals from insisting that developing countries undertake measures that the developed West doesn&#039;t have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>escapevelocity:<br />
Obama&#8217;s science advisor, John Holdren, doesn&#8217;t believe anything of the kind.</p>
<p>He had once <i>surveyed</i> population control measures around the world.   But he wasn&#8217;t an advocate of most of them.</p>
<p>He was an advocate of non-coercive population control measures.</p>
<p>For America, the question is moot. America&#8217;s population would be stable without a constant influx of immigrants.</p>
<p>And political correctness prevents liberals from insisting that developing countries undertake measures that the developed West doesn&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should really bring in the women&#039;s vote!

LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should really bring in the women&#8217;s vote!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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