Comments on: Transcending Disability http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: srichardson http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-80052 srichardson Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:52:11 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-80052 rbottoms, While it's true that people with disabilities tend to get more support from the Democratic Party, there is some overlap between conservative philosophy and dis rights and a lot of ways in which liberals have failed on dis rights. These are two good articles about that: http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/disability-politics http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/focus/liberals0104.html rbottoms,

While it’s true that people with disabilities tend to get more support from the Democratic Party, there is some overlap between conservative philosophy and dis rights and a lot of ways in which liberals have failed on dis rights. These are two good articles about that:
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/disability-politics
http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/focus/liberals0104.html

]]> By: nwahs http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79509 nwahs Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:29:48 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79509 Good aricle. "For Krauthammer, the key to living with disability was what he calls “denial”. That means living life with a disability, as if you didn’t have one." I was born in the 50's with CP myself and was mainstreamed as a child. All that means is I was one of the first kids with a disability that got to go tho a regular school and socialize with regular kids. I saw myself exactly like them. I knew I wasn't particularly good at sports, but I just wrote that off as being a nerd. I was in complete denial of my differences. I dated and struck out, but I never saw myself as being different. Reality hit when I got older and, because of various endeavors, began appearing on TV. It was like an out of body experience. "That's me????" Denial is not all its cracked up to be :) I'm in my 50's now and I have accepted myself. But it was a journey, and I commend you for yours. I know it was no bed of roses! :) Good aricle.

“For Krauthammer, the key to living with disability was what he calls “denial”. That means living life with a disability, as if you didn’t have one.”

I was born in the 50’s with CP myself and was mainstreamed as a child. All that means is I was one of the first kids with a disability that got to go tho a regular school and socialize with regular kids. I saw myself exactly like them. I knew I wasn’t particularly good at sports, but I just wrote that off as being a nerd. I was in complete denial of my differences. I dated and struck out, but I never saw myself as being different.

Reality hit when I got older and, because of various endeavors, began appearing on TV. It was like an out of body experience. “That’s me????” Denial is not all its cracked up to be :) I’m in my 50’s now and I have accepted myself. But it was a journey, and I commend you for yours. I know it was no bed of roses! :)

]]> By: Lilia http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79387 Lilia Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:06:13 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79387 reply to rbottoms The Americans with Disabilities Act was truly a bipartisan piece of legislation. The sponsor was Tom Harkin, a Democrat, but there were 9 Democrat and 9 Republican cosponsors to the bill. Admittedly, 8 Republicans voted against the bill, but 11 Democrats and 5 Republicans did not vote (the bill must not have impressed them very much). The bill was signed into law by (shock) George H.W. Bush (a Republican). It would appear to me that when everyone works together for the good of this nation, everyone wins. You have to have the give and take for it to work. Neither party is always right or always wrong. Everyone has good ideas and we need to work together to get all the good ideas in all legislation our elected officials pass. The USA is a large country with many personal views and ideas, thus the reason we must compromise on many things. One size does not fit all. No one will get everything they want, but hopefully, with hard work, they can get what they need. reply to rbottoms
The Americans with Disabilities Act was truly a bipartisan piece of legislation. The sponsor was Tom Harkin, a Democrat, but there were 9 Democrat and 9 Republican cosponsors to the bill. Admittedly, 8 Republicans voted against the bill, but 11 Democrats and 5 Republicans did not vote (the bill must not have impressed them very much). The bill was signed into law by (shock) George H.W. Bush (a Republican). It would appear to me that when everyone works together for the good of this nation, everyone wins. You have to have the give and take for it to work. Neither party is always right or always wrong. Everyone has good ideas and we need to work together to get all the good ideas in all legislation our elected officials pass. The USA is a large country with many personal views and ideas, thus the reason we must compromise on many things. One size does not fit all. No one will get everything they want, but hopefully, with hard work, they can get what they need.

]]> By: oldgal http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79353 oldgal Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:41:35 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79353 A friend of mine who not only has achieved incredible personal success, but has also been instrumental in helping many others with disabilities achieve success is Neil Jacobson. You might be interested in reading up on his current endeavors plus his past accomplishments: http://www.abilicorp.com/the-team/ The prejudices disappear when people work together and get to know each other. A friend of mine who not only has achieved incredible personal success, but has also been instrumental in helping many others with disabilities achieve success is Neil Jacobson. You might be interested in reading up on his current endeavors plus his past accomplishments: http://www.abilicorp.com/the-team/
The prejudices disappear when people work together and get to know each other.

]]> By: Willems http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79307 Willems Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:27:12 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79307 I like this story. Particularly the honesty regarding the nature of disabilities. Such honesty is only achieved if one can see a purpose to life that trancends the self. I did not know this about Krauthammer. I study political science in Europe. We read a Krauthammer article which I quite liked. In class, to my surprise, the article was thoroughly mocked and the instructor said it was included just show there were "people out there who actually think this way." Not much intellectual curiosity. Quite embarrassing. Europe itself is like the professossor defending blindness as normal. I like this story. Particularly the honesty regarding the nature of disabilities. Such honesty is only achieved if one can see a purpose to life that trancends the self. I did not know this about Krauthammer.

I study political science in Europe. We read a Krauthammer article which I quite liked. In class, to my surprise, the article was thoroughly mocked and the instructor said it was included just show there were “people out there who actually think this way.” Not much intellectual curiosity. Quite embarrassing. Europe itself is like the professossor defending blindness as normal.

]]> By: cheves222 http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79304 cheves222 Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:24:25 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79304 Great piece, and thank you very much for sharing your personal story. Great piece, and thank you very much for sharing your personal story.

]]> By: rbottoms http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79292 rbottoms Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:30:55 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79292 I sorry, which party was for the Americans with Disabilities Act again? You know the people who made cities install curb ramps, accommodations in educational institutions, and all the other amenities that didn't exist twenty years ago that Charles and other disabled people use? I think it starts with a 'D'. And I am pretty sure the other party has spent that same twenty years or so ridiculing the ADA just as well. I sorry, which party was for the Americans with Disabilities Act again? You know the people who made cities install curb ramps, accommodations in educational institutions, and all the other amenities that didn’t exist twenty years ago that Charles and other disabled people use?

I think it starts with a ‘D’. And I am pretty sure the other party has spent that same twenty years or so ridiculing the ADA just as well.

]]> By: JeninCT http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79288 JeninCT Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:06:46 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79288 I've been a huge fan of Krauthammer for many years, and only recently found out he is disabled. How would I know when his disability is pretty much invisible to those who read his column or see him seated at a table? Krauthammer is brilliant. I think you've chosen a wonderful role model. And I agree Sinz, it's awful when illness or injury strikes, and the pollyanna notion that you can think yourself well is nonsense. I’ve been a huge fan of Krauthammer for many years, and only recently found out he is disabled. How would I know when his disability is pretty much invisible to those who read his column or see him seated at a table?

Krauthammer is brilliant. I think you’ve chosen a wonderful role model. And I agree Sinz, it’s awful when illness or injury strikes, and the pollyanna notion that you can think yourself well is nonsense.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79285 sinz54 Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:04:16 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79285 Mr. Krossel: <blockquote> This is identity politics taken to absurdity. Would anybody really choose not to walk or see if they had the opportunity to do so? </blockquote> Yep, I've been through that nonsense with my own disabling illness. The politically correct way to talk about it is that: -- It's been a learning experience, an opportunity for personal growth -- It's a signal that you need to reorient your life -- And rediscover the things that make live truly worth living. To which I say: POPPYCOCK! It's more like slow death. You mourn the loss of all the things you can no longer do; you shake your head sadly at all the new things you must do (and all the time they take up) in order to stay alive. Barbara Ehrenreich had a column on this just a few days ago, in connection with breast cancer. She also ridiculed the PC doctrine that breast cancer presents opportunities and teaching moments--and even worse, that you're supposed to think that you can make your cancer better with such positive thinking. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/10/smile-or-die-barbara-ehrenreich Mr. Krossel: This is identity politics taken to absurdity. Would anybody really choose not to walk or see if they had the opportunity to do so?
Yep, I’ve been through that nonsense with my own disabling illness.

The politically correct way to talk about it is that:

– It’s been a learning experience, an opportunity for personal growth

– It’s a signal that you need to reorient your life

– And rediscover the things that make live truly worth living.

To which I say:

POPPYCOCK!

It’s more like slow death. You mourn the loss of all the things you can no longer do; you shake your head sadly at all the new things you must do (and all the time they take up) in order to stay alive.

Barbara Ehrenreich had a column on this just a few days ago, in connection with breast cancer. She also ridiculed the PC doctrine that breast cancer presents opportunities and teaching moments–and even worse, that you’re supposed to think that you can make your cancer better with such positive thinking.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/10/smile-or-die-barbara-ehrenreich

]]> By: mlindroo http://www.frumforum.com/transcending-disability/comment-page-1#comment-79282 mlindroo Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:24:46 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=19445#comment-79282 > For Krauthammer, the key to living with disability was what he calls “denial”. One might argue that Krauthammer the columnist reacts that way when it comes to living with the disastrous failures of neoconservatism in 2001- ~2005 too. No regrets or remorse, it seems. --- Look -- Krauthammer's life story is an admirable one, as is his intellect. But during the past decade he has also been an ardent proponent of a foreign policy ideology that has proved disastrous to the United States in general and the Republican party in particular. His intelligence and eloquence cannot obscure this simple fact. MARCU$ > For Krauthammer, the key to living with disability was what he calls “denial”.

One might argue that Krauthammer the columnist reacts that way when it comes to living with the disastrous failures of neoconservatism in 2001- ~2005 too. No regrets or remorse, it seems.
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Look — Krauthammer’s life story is an admirable one, as is his intellect. But during the past decade he has also been an ardent proponent of a foreign policy ideology that has proved disastrous to the United States in general and the Republican party in particular. His intelligence and eloquence cannot obscure this simple fact.

MARCU$

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