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		<title>By: The Rage of the Common Man &#171; The Truth in Black and Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Rage of the Common Man &#171; The Truth in Black and Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are hopping mad that universal health care isn&#8217;t being passed.  Conservatives are mad that years of supposedly conservative governance has led to massive deficits.  Both are mad about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sftor1...cant they BOTh be in play?  Distrust in government and dissatisfaction in direction? They are related no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sftor1&#8230;cant they BOTh be in play?  Distrust in government and dissatisfaction in direction? They are related no?</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sftor1 // Aug 18, 2009 at 8:52 pm (#14) --

&quot;The only, and I mean the only solution: K Street must be blown up and turned into a parking lot.&quot;

(*THUMBS UP*)

For what it&#039;s worth, Sftor1, I damn Tom DeLay for being an overreaching, unprincipled son of a bitch whose &quot;K Street Project&quot; was a stain upon the GOP.

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sftor1 // Aug 18, 2009 at 8:52 pm (#14) &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;The only, and I mean the only solution: K Street must be blown up and turned into a parking lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>(*THUMBS UP*)</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Sftor1, I damn Tom DeLay for being an overreaching, unprincipled son of a bitch whose &#8220;K Street Project&#8221; was a stain upon the GOP.</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:54 pm 

&quot;I’m advocating moderation in policy and moderation in action–not lying.&quot;

..........ohhh you mean as in&quot;

&quot;Ideologically, we should be advocating conservatism in the classical sense ....... 
Once we gain office, we should ACT according to ideology, slashing the national debt and generally corralling government: the policies might be unpopular&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:54 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;I’m advocating moderation in policy and moderation in action–not lying.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.ohhh you mean as in&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ideologically, we should be advocating conservatism in the classical sense &#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Once we gain office, we should ACT according to ideology, slashing the national debt and generally corralling government: the policies might be unpopular&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SFTor1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a disconnect in the reasoning that I think is worth mentioning.

 Mr. Schaefer is equating &quot;distrust in government&quot; with &quot;dissatisfaction with where the country is going.&quot; There is a likely correlation, but not causation. 

The only, and I mean the only solution: K Street must be blown up and turned into a parking lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a disconnect in the reasoning that I think is worth mentioning.</p>
<p> Mr. Schaefer is equating &#8220;distrust in government&#8221; with &#8220;dissatisfaction with where the country is going.&#8221; There is a likely correlation, but not causation. </p>
<p>The only, and I mean the only solution: K Street must be blown up and turned into a parking lot.</p>
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		<title>By: blake.seitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m advocating moderation in policy and moderation in action--not lying.

&quot;Superficial&quot; change was typed with regard to the party&#039;s image and its demographic--who we move out to the polls. In this case that means less screaming, more intellectualism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m advocating moderation in policy and moderation in action&#8211;not lying.</p>
<p>&#8220;Superficial&#8221; change was typed with regard to the party&#8217;s image and its demographic&#8211;who we move out to the polls. In this case that means less screaming, more intellectualism.</p>
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		<title>By: steelyblades</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the most fascinating thing about the health care debate is how it seems to have hit so many different nerves in our society.  From what I have been able to observe, I don&#039;t see any one strain being dominant--I don&#039;t think, for example, that it is predominantly partisan motivation, nor ideological, nor generational, nor racial.  It&#039;s all of these to some degree, but they are all mixed up, and the general level of fear and apprehension is tremendous.  

Let&#039;s face it: a lot of things are changing dramatically in our country right now.  And while a majority of people did vote us down this path, change of this magnitude is always scary.  The health care issue touches every segment of our society, and thus it stirs up incredible waves of angst and fear for a whole variety of reasons.  And I&#039;m sure there is some residual partisan motivation getting swept into the same bucket.  But health care reform is about as significant as any issue we face as a nation, and thus it really opens the floodgates to all sorts of irrational angles of debate.  I expect that a majority of people would agree that our current system sucks, and it will continue to get worse if we just let it ride.  But it&#039;s the devil we know, and fear is a huge motivator when facing changes which are potentially this dramatic.  

I wonder if the urgency for health care reform on Obama&#039;s part might be twofold:

1.  He is not likely to have the political capital in six or twelve months that he has presently.  So this might be his best shot.  

2.  He feels the effects of reform will take time to implement and create an impact.  So he needs to act now if he wants his reforms to bear fruit in time for 2012.  

Whatever the case, thanks Brad for an interesting post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the most fascinating thing about the health care debate is how it seems to have hit so many different nerves in our society.  From what I have been able to observe, I don&#8217;t see any one strain being dominant&#8211;I don&#8217;t think, for example, that it is predominantly partisan motivation, nor ideological, nor generational, nor racial.  It&#8217;s all of these to some degree, but they are all mixed up, and the general level of fear and apprehension is tremendous.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it: a lot of things are changing dramatically in our country right now.  And while a majority of people did vote us down this path, change of this magnitude is always scary.  The health care issue touches every segment of our society, and thus it stirs up incredible waves of angst and fear for a whole variety of reasons.  And I&#8217;m sure there is some residual partisan motivation getting swept into the same bucket.  But health care reform is about as significant as any issue we face as a nation, and thus it really opens the floodgates to all sorts of irrational angles of debate.  I expect that a majority of people would agree that our current system sucks, and it will continue to get worse if we just let it ride.  But it&#8217;s the devil we know, and fear is a huge motivator when facing changes which are potentially this dramatic.  </p>
<p>I wonder if the urgency for health care reform on Obama&#8217;s part might be twofold:</p>
<p>1.  He is not likely to have the political capital in six or twelve months that he has presently.  So this might be his best shot.  </p>
<p>2.  He feels the effects of reform will take time to implement and create an impact.  So he needs to act now if he wants his reforms to bear fruit in time for 2012.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, thanks Brad for an interesting post.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm 

Re: Blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm (#7) –

(*THUMBS UP*)

BILL


.........Needless to say Baarking thinks blatant lying is totally admirable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm </p>
<p>Re: Blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm (#7) –</p>
<p>(*THUMBS UP*)</p>
<p>BILL</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Needless to say Baarking thinks blatant lying is totally admirable</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm

&quot; Back to the makeover: superficially, I think it’s important to cater to the youth vote–break the stigma of the crotchety old white man. Ideologically, we should be advocating conservatism in the classical sense (I’m preaching to the choir here, I know). Once we gain office, we should ACT according to ideology,&quot;

..........You mean lie about about our positions and once we get in office ignore everything we&#039;ve said.....okaaaay.......just as long as we keep it &quot;superficial&quot; it will be fine.....okaaay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm</p>
<p>&#8221; Back to the makeover: superficially, I think it’s important to cater to the youth vote–break the stigma of the crotchety old white man. Ideologically, we should be advocating conservatism in the classical sense (I’m preaching to the choir here, I know). Once we gain office, we should ACT according to ideology,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.You mean lie about about our positions and once we get in office ignore everything we&#8217;ve said&#8230;..okaaaay&#8230;&#8230;.just as long as we keep it &#8220;superficial&#8221; it will be fine&#8230;..okaaay</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm (#7) --

(*THUMBS UP*)

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Blakeseitz // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm (#7) &#8211;</p>
<p>(*THUMBS UP*)</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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