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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/town-hall-done-right/comment-page-1#comment-61322</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Rep. Pelosi said the townhall participants were “carrying swastikas,” thereby making them alleged Nazis.&lt;/b&gt;

No, she said that some participants were &quot;carrying swastikas&quot; to town hall meetings ... which is actually factual.  What that illustrates isn&#039;t that these people are advocating Nazism ... but that the rhetoric is rising to a level that drowns out discourse.  Carrying a swastika painted next to a picture of your opponent to a rally is the equivalent of &quot;going Godwin&quot; on the net - it indicates that there is no more reasoning with you on a certain topic.

Not to say that people who can&#039;t be reasoned with to change their minds are always wrong ... just to say that there&#039;s no room for dialogue at that point.  It becomes simply a shouting match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Pelosi said the townhall participants were “carrying swastikas,” thereby making them alleged Nazis.</p>
<p>No, she said that some participants were &#8220;carrying swastikas&#8221; to town hall meetings &#8230; which is actually factual.  What that illustrates isn&#8217;t that these people are advocating Nazism &#8230; but that the rhetoric is rising to a level that drowns out discourse.  Carrying a swastika painted next to a picture of your opponent to a rally is the equivalent of &#8220;going Godwin&#8221; on the net &#8211; it indicates that there is no more reasoning with you on a certain topic.</p>
<p>Not to say that people who can&#8217;t be reasoned with to change their minds are always wrong &#8230; just to say that there&#8217;s no room for dialogue at that point.  It becomes simply a shouting match.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfNickD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfNickD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottobvs,

I assume you have been on the moon for the last month since you post reeks of complete ignorance.

Rep. Pelosi said the townhall participants were &quot;carrying swastikas,&quot; thereby making them alleged Nazis.

Rep. Dingell said the townhall participants reminded him of Klansmen who protested him in the 1960s.

Rep. Baird said the townhall participants were employing &quot;brown shirt tactics.&quot;

Obama skpokesman Robert Gibbs said the townhall participants should &quot;lay off the Nazi stuff.&quot;

The DNCC produced an ad saying that health care proponents shouldn&#039;t cave in to the &quot;mob,&quot; while showing footage of townhall participants.

You really need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC and reading DailyKos and Huffington -- you will have no idea what is going on in the world if you continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottobvs,</p>
<p>I assume you have been on the moon for the last month since you post reeks of complete ignorance.</p>
<p>Rep. Pelosi said the townhall participants were &#8220;carrying swastikas,&#8221; thereby making them alleged Nazis.</p>
<p>Rep. Dingell said the townhall participants reminded him of Klansmen who protested him in the 1960s.</p>
<p>Rep. Baird said the townhall participants were employing &#8220;brown shirt tactics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama skpokesman Robert Gibbs said the townhall participants should &#8220;lay off the Nazi stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>The DNCC produced an ad saying that health care proponents shouldn&#8217;t cave in to the &#8220;mob,&#8221; while showing footage of townhall participants.</p>
<p>You really need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC and reading DailyKos and Huffington &#8212; you will have no idea what is going on in the world if you continue.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ottovbs: This comes pretty close:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/05/pelosi_town_hall_protesters_are_carrying_swastikas.html

That is what the FCC calls &quot;false and misleading.&quot;

These protesters were accusing the OBAMA Administration of acting like fascists, not wanting to act like fascists themselves.  So they had placards with swastikas with red slashes drawn through them, as if to say &quot;No to fascism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbs: This comes pretty close:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/05/pelosi_town_hall_protesters_are_carrying_swastikas.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/05/pelosi_town_hall_protesters_are_carrying_swastikas.html</a></p>
<p>That is what the FCC calls &#8220;false and misleading.&#8221;</p>
<p>These protesters were accusing the OBAMA Administration of acting like fascists, not wanting to act like fascists themselves.  So they had placards with swastikas with red slashes drawn through them, as if to say &#8220;No to fascism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/town-hall-done-right/comment-page-1#comment-61204</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>profnickd // Aug 22, 2009 at 2:44 pm 

&quot;Crystal,
The problem is worse than Nancy Pelosi, et al. calling Americans “radicals.” They are calling Americans “Nazis,”

.......would you like to find one source where Nancy Pelosi has called American&#039;s Nazi&#039;s, brownshirts, klansmen? One will do........otherwise we&#039;ll have to assume you&#039;re lying won&#039;t we</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>profnickd // Aug 22, 2009 at 2:44 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Crystal,<br />
The problem is worse than Nancy Pelosi, et al. calling Americans “radicals.” They are calling Americans “Nazis,”</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.would you like to find one source where Nancy Pelosi has called American&#8217;s Nazi&#8217;s, brownshirts, klansmen? One will do&#8230;&#8230;..otherwise we&#8217;ll have to assume you&#8217;re lying won&#8217;t we</p>
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		<title>By: ProfNickD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfNickD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crystal,
The problem is worse than Nancy Pelosi, et al. calling Americans &quot;radicals.&quot; They are calling Americans &quot;Nazis,&quot; &quot;Brown shirts, &quot;Klansmen,&quot; and &quot;mobs.&quot; This is the language of the dictator, impugning dissenters with accusations of being outside the permissible bounds of dissent. The next step would be to in fact silence dissenters.

Whatever mild disruptions that may have been caused by normal Americans voicing their (wholly legitimate) opinions are entirely outweighed  by this disturbing trend by office-holders themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crystal,<br />
The problem is worse than Nancy Pelosi, et al. calling Americans &#8220;radicals.&#8221; They are calling Americans &#8220;Nazis,&#8221; &#8220;Brown shirts, &#8220;Klansmen,&#8221; and &#8220;mobs.&#8221; This is the language of the dictator, impugning dissenters with accusations of being outside the permissible bounds of dissent. The next step would be to in fact silence dissenters.</p>
<p>Whatever mild disruptions that may have been caused by normal Americans voicing their (wholly legitimate) opinions are entirely outweighed  by this disturbing trend by office-holders themselves.</p>
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