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		<title>By: Carney</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/tom-dewey-mob-buster-and-highway-builder/comment-page-1#comment-88396</link>
		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1964&#039;s Goldwater conservatives were quite different from the 1950s Taft conservatives on foreign policy.  

Goldwater and his backers were Cold Warriors through and through - supporters of NATO and other anti-Communist alliances, determined not to let any more states fall to Communist aggression even if that meant war, and advocating all means of confrontation and rollback short of war in the understanding that the Soviets intended a slow-motion world conquest and that peaceful co-existence was impossible.  

To call Goldwater&#039;s nomination a resurgence of embittered non-interventionists is flat-out wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1964&#8217;s Goldwater conservatives were quite different from the 1950s Taft conservatives on foreign policy.  </p>
<p>Goldwater and his backers were Cold Warriors through and through &#8211; supporters of NATO and other anti-Communist alliances, determined not to let any more states fall to Communist aggression even if that meant war, and advocating all means of confrontation and rollback short of war in the understanding that the Soviets intended a slow-motion world conquest and that peaceful co-existence was impossible.  </p>
<p>To call Goldwater&#8217;s nomination a resurgence of embittered non-interventionists is flat-out wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESB: &lt;blockquote&gt; Perhaps the big tent has a better shot, but hasn’t the insurmountable problem of the Reagan coalition been that different factions have different, fissiparous basic principles with as much potential to divide as to unite? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
No.

The Dems used to be even worse in this regard.  They united blacks and Catholics in the North, with segregationists like George Wallace and Lester Maddox in the South.  (That changed after 1966, when the segregationists left the Dem Party.)

Why would ANY blacks, anywhere in the nation, want to be in the same party with white segregationists?

Because liberal Dems provided Northern blacks with jobs, and brought them into the American mainstream.

The Dems realized that a rising tide is inherently inclusive:  Keep the economy growing, and everybody wants to get on board.

The expansionist Reagan years did the same thing for conservatives.  

A party&#039;s coalition starts to fracture when a stagnant economy makes life into a zero-sum game:  One faction can only get more at the expense of another.

That happened to the Jimmy Carter administration, and the Dems were destroyed.

Now it happened to the Bush administration, and the GOP was similarly destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESB:  Perhaps the big tent has a better shot, but hasn’t the insurmountable problem of the Reagan coalition been that different factions have different, fissiparous basic principles with as much potential to divide as to unite?<br />
No.</p>
<p>The Dems used to be even worse in this regard.  They united blacks and Catholics in the North, with segregationists like George Wallace and Lester Maddox in the South.  (That changed after 1966, when the segregationists left the Dem Party.)</p>
<p>Why would ANY blacks, anywhere in the nation, want to be in the same party with white segregationists?</p>
<p>Because liberal Dems provided Northern blacks with jobs, and brought them into the American mainstream.</p>
<p>The Dems realized that a rising tide is inherently inclusive:  Keep the economy growing, and everybody wants to get on board.</p>
<p>The expansionist Reagan years did the same thing for conservatives.  </p>
<p>A party&#8217;s coalition starts to fracture when a stagnant economy makes life into a zero-sum game:  One faction can only get more at the expense of another.</p>
<p>That happened to the Jimmy Carter administration, and the Dems were destroyed.</p>
<p>Now it happened to the Bush administration, and the GOP was similarly destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/tom-dewey-mob-buster-and-highway-builder/comment-page-1#comment-88253</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rjcrawford33: &lt;blockquote&gt; Kinda indicates just how far the GOP needs to go to get people like me back. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
What kind of person are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rjcrawford33:  Kinda indicates just how far the GOP needs to go to get people like me back.<br />
What kind of person are you?</p>
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		<title>By: rjcrawford33</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjcrawford33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes interesting series and vital lessons of tolerance, big tent, and accomodation.  Kinda indicates just how far the GOP needs to go to get people like me back.  Not that it would want me, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes interesting series and vital lessons of tolerance, big tent, and accomodation.  Kinda indicates just how far the GOP needs to go to get people like me back.  Not that it would want me, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: The Missing Republican Voter &#8211; Republicans United.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Missing Republican Voter &#8211; Republicans United.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is what Geoffrey Kabaservice had to say in a profile on him last November [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is what Geoffrey Kabaservice had to say in a profile on him last November [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Does the Lord Require of Republicans? &#124; Republicans United.</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Does the Lord Require of Republicans? &#124; Republicans United.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] justice. But I don&#8217;t think that these two values have to be opposed to each other. It was Thomas Dewey who believed in a government that helped the less fortunate and is also efficient:  Dewey said in his first gubernatorial address, “There has never been a responsible government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] justice. But I don&#8217;t think that these two values have to be opposed to each other. It was Thomas Dewey who believed in a government that helped the less fortunate and is also efficient:  Dewey said in his first gubernatorial address, “There has never been a responsible government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Remember the Moderates: Thomas Dewey &#124; Republicans United.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remember the Moderates: Thomas Dewey &#124; Republicans United.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tom Dewey: Mob-Buster and Highway Builder [...]</description>
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		<title>By: erasmuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>erasmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Dewey&#039;s strategy of accommodation to the New Deal led to defeat in 1944 and 1948, not victory.  The race was his to lose in 1948, Truman being considered a second-rate hack who had become president by luck. In 1952 the Republicans did win, but only because the Democrats were worn out by scandal and policy failure, and the Republicans couldn&#039;t make their control of Congress stick for more than a couple of years. 

Not an example we want to follow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dewey&#8217;s strategy of accommodation to the New Deal led to defeat in 1944 and 1948, not victory.  The race was his to lose in 1948, Truman being considered a second-rate hack who had become president by luck. In 1952 the Republicans did win, but only because the Democrats were worn out by scandal and policy failure, and the Republicans couldn&#8217;t make their control of Congress stick for more than a couple of years. </p>
<p>Not an example we want to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we conservatives poked fun at Howard Dean, I gotta admit that his vision of a &quot;50 state strategy&quot; for the Dems finally paid off with the election of Barack Obama.  It meant that the Dems could go on the offensive, challenging the GOP in Ohio and Florida, and even in Montana and Indiana.  In contrast, the Karl Rove playbook of &quot;Red States + Ohio&quot; managed to put together 51% majorities in the Electoral College for Bush in both 2000 and 2004.  But at the expense of writing off the rest of the nation.  That made it a high risk strategy in the long term--if Ohio tipped Democrat, the GOP could no longer win an Electoral College majority with that playbook.  And now that has happened.  The GOP cannot effectively challenge the Dems&#039; &quot;50 state&quot; offensive strategy with a &quot;51%&quot; defensive strategy.  The GOP must now go on the offensive too, attempting to peel away Blue States (and Ohio may now be one of them) from the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we conservatives poked fun at Howard Dean, I gotta admit that his vision of a &#8220;50 state strategy&#8221; for the Dems finally paid off with the election of Barack Obama.  It meant that the Dems could go on the offensive, challenging the GOP in Ohio and Florida, and even in Montana and Indiana.  In contrast, the Karl Rove playbook of &#8220;Red States + Ohio&#8221; managed to put together 51% majorities in the Electoral College for Bush in both 2000 and 2004.  But at the expense of writing off the rest of the nation.  That made it a high risk strategy in the long term&#8211;if Ohio tipped Democrat, the GOP could no longer win an Electoral College majority with that playbook.  And now that has happened.  The GOP cannot effectively challenge the Dems&#8217; &#8220;50 state&#8221; offensive strategy with a &#8220;51%&#8221; defensive strategy.  The GOP must now go on the offensive too, attempting to peel away Blue States (and Ohio may now be one of them) from the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: ESB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great series! It&#039;s refreshing to read an account of Dewey, mustache and all, that doesn&#039;t depict him as a dartboard. However, I&#039;m not sure how much today&#039;s Republicans can learn from him. 70 percent of northeastern African-Americans voted Republican in 1956 because, in 1956, Republicans were the party of civil rights. Good luck getting them back from Obama! Perhaps the big tent has a better shot, but hasn&#039;t the insurmountable problem of the Reagan coalition been that different factions have different, fissiparous basic principles with as much potential to divide as to unite? Of course, the same is true of the Democrats to the nth degree, so maybe Dewey&#039;s role in the old Republican party does have something to teach today&#039;s GOP about togetherness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series! It&#8217;s refreshing to read an account of Dewey, mustache and all, that doesn&#8217;t depict him as a dartboard. However, I&#8217;m not sure how much today&#8217;s Republicans can learn from him. 70 percent of northeastern African-Americans voted Republican in 1956 because, in 1956, Republicans were the party of civil rights. Good luck getting them back from Obama! Perhaps the big tent has a better shot, but hasn&#8217;t the insurmountable problem of the Reagan coalition been that different factions have different, fissiparous basic principles with as much potential to divide as to unite? Of course, the same is true of the Democrats to the nth degree, so maybe Dewey&#8217;s role in the old Republican party does have something to teach today&#8217;s GOP about togetherness.</p>
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