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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/time-for-steele-to-drop-the-stereotypes/comment-page-3#comment-58266</link>
		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>political-season // Aug 3, 2009 at 7:46 am 
&quot;As for Steele, for the love of God, why does he trade in this stereotypical language?&quot;

...........Steele is a few notches brighter than Palin but that&#039;s not saying much........For a position that is basically all about communication and organization the guy is a non starter.........but who am I to complain.......have at it Mikey</description>
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&#8220;As for Steele, for the love of God, why does he trade in this stereotypical language?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Steele is a few notches brighter than Palin but that&#8217;s not saying much&#8230;&#8230;..For a position that is basically all about communication and organization the guy is a non starter&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;but who am I to complain&#8230;&#8230;.have at it Mikey</p>
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		<title>By: Political Season</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Season</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sinz54

The idea that blacks are so besotted by identity politics they can never be lured from the democratic party is defeatist nonsense and an easy excuse to avoid addressing the poor relationship the GOP has with this political constituency.   Further, Obama is simply the easy at hand excuse the GOP makes today, but he just got here.  What about all the years before that when the GOP used the same excuse.  

As for Steele,  for the love of God, why does he trade in this stereotypical language? If anybody ought to be paying attention to the language they use as they try to create a better relationship between blacks and the GOP, its the RNC Chairman. However, Steele, because he is black, clearly believes he gets a pass to play with these types of stereotypes. Didn&#039;t we just get get treated to Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor getting lectured by Cong. Grassly about how his career would be over if he had made a comment akin to her &quot;wise Latina&quot; statement? How is this any different? A white RNC chair would be excoriated for a comment like that, but Steele gets a pass because he&#039;s black? Steele clearly thinks so, because he uses this kind of language frequently.

It betrays the fact that his thinking is as moribund, defeatist and disinterested in blacks as a political constituency as the rank and file and the rest of the GOP leadership.   The GOP record with Latinos is no better.  They lost that vote this go around by talking out of both sides o f their mouth on the issues.  The GOPs political appeal more and more is relying on harsh rhetoric and appeals by red meat commentators  coded overtly and covertly with racial undertones.  The GOP blows this aspect of their political practice so badly and so unnecessarily that it would be funny if it were not so pathetic.</description>
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<p>The idea that blacks are so besotted by identity politics they can never be lured from the democratic party is defeatist nonsense and an easy excuse to avoid addressing the poor relationship the GOP has with this political constituency.   Further, Obama is simply the easy at hand excuse the GOP makes today, but he just got here.  What about all the years before that when the GOP used the same excuse.  </p>
<p>As for Steele,  for the love of God, why does he trade in this stereotypical language? If anybody ought to be paying attention to the language they use as they try to create a better relationship between blacks and the GOP, its the RNC Chairman. However, Steele, because he is black, clearly believes he gets a pass to play with these types of stereotypes. Didn&#8217;t we just get get treated to Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor getting lectured by Cong. Grassly about how his career would be over if he had made a comment akin to her &#8220;wise Latina&#8221; statement? How is this any different? A white RNC chair would be excoriated for a comment like that, but Steele gets a pass because he&#8217;s black? Steele clearly thinks so, because he uses this kind of language frequently.</p>
<p>It betrays the fact that his thinking is as moribund, defeatist and disinterested in blacks as a political constituency as the rank and file and the rest of the GOP leadership.   The GOP record with Latinos is no better.  They lost that vote this go around by talking out of both sides o f their mouth on the issues.  The GOPs political appeal more and more is relying on harsh rhetoric and appeals by red meat commentators  coded overtly and covertly with racial undertones.  The GOP blows this aspect of their political practice so badly and so unnecessarily that it would be funny if it were not so pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sinz54 // Aug 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm --

Sinz... are you stupid...??? (Hey... if Obama can throw the &quot;s&quot; word around...) (*SHRUG*)

Seriously?

I expect stuff to fly right over Otto&#039;s head, but you... as much as you can be thick as a frigg&#039;n brick at times I didn&#039;t think you were this oblivious.

AGAIN... my Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm post&#039;s postscript was OBVIOUSLY meant as a wiseass &quot;riff&quot; of:

* Anyway… we can disagree without being disagreeable.

* Right…???

The &quot;chuckle&quot; should have reinforced this.

Hey... I don&#039;t mind people taking me to task for what I clearly mean... but to so nakedly distort my OBVIOUSLY meaning is just... weak.

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sinz54 // Aug 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm &#8211;</p>
<p>Sinz&#8230; are you stupid&#8230;??? (Hey&#8230; if Obama can throw the &#8220;s&#8221; word around&#8230;) (*SHRUG*)</p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
<p>I expect stuff to fly right over Otto&#8217;s head, but you&#8230; as much as you can be thick as a frigg&#8217;n brick at times I didn&#8217;t think you were this oblivious.</p>
<p>AGAIN&#8230; my Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm post&#8217;s postscript was OBVIOUSLY meant as a wiseass &#8220;riff&#8221; of:</p>
<p>* Anyway… we can disagree without being disagreeable.</p>
<p>* Right…???</p>
<p>The &#8220;chuckle&#8221; should have reinforced this.</p>
<p>Hey&#8230; I don&#8217;t mind people taking me to task for what I clearly mean&#8230; but to so nakedly distort my OBVIOUSLY meaning is just&#8230; weak.</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 sez: &quot;DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE!&quot;

Yes, we&#039;re well on the way to creating a new conservative majority that can win again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 sez: &#8220;DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we&#8217;re well on the way to creating a new conservative majority that can win again.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 11:23 pm 
&quot;tell me if it sounds like he took my “Die, Otto, Die” in the spirit it was meant or did the purposeful, obvious disconnect between the “disagree without being disagreeable” and “Die, Otto, Die” lines &quot;

........Q.E.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 11:23 pm<br />
&#8220;tell me if it sounds like he took my “Die, Otto, Die” in the spirit it was meant or did the purposeful, obvious disconnect between the “disagree without being disagreeable” and “Die, Otto, Die” lines &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Spartacus // Jul 31, 2009 at 8:19 pm --

&quot;There’s no one on this board with whom I agree more than Otto.&quot;

(*LAUGHING ALOUD*)

Life&#039;s funny, ain&#039;t it?

(*HANDSHAKE*)

BILL

* Hey, Spart... I notice Otto replied to my post... since I don&#039;t actually read his crap could you just tell me if it sounds like he took my &quot;Die, Otto, Die&quot; in the spirit it was meant or did the purposeful, obvious disconnect between the &quot;disagree without being disagreeable&quot; and &quot;Die, Otto, Die&quot; lines - followed by the (*CHUCKLE*) - fly right over his head?

Be honest! I&#039;m counting on you! (*GRIN*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Spartacus // Jul 31, 2009 at 8:19 pm &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s no one on this board with whom I agree more than Otto.&#8221;</p>
<p>(*LAUGHING ALOUD*)</p>
<p>Life&#8217;s funny, ain&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>(*HANDSHAKE*)</p>
<p>BILL</p>
<p>* Hey, Spart&#8230; I notice Otto replied to my post&#8230; since I don&#8217;t actually read his crap could you just tell me if it sounds like he took my &#8220;Die, Otto, Die&#8221; in the spirit it was meant or did the purposeful, obvious disconnect between the &#8220;disagree without being disagreeable&#8221; and &#8220;Die, Otto, Die&#8221; lines &#8211; followed by the (*CHUCKLE*) &#8211; fly right over his head?</p>
<p>Be honest! I&#8217;m counting on you! (*GRIN*)</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm
 P.S. - DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! 

……..Naaahh this guy is a shrink’s dream

........Like a I said.....a shrink&#039;s dream........do you want  instructions on how to make the voodoo doll Baarking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm<br />
 P.S. &#8211; DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! </p>
<p>……..Naaahh this guy is a shrink’s dream</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..Like a I said&#8230;..a shrink&#8217;s dream&#8230;&#8230;..do you want  instructions on how to make the voodoo doll Baarking?</p>
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		<title>By: Spartacus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm wrote:  &quot;P.S. - DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE!  (*CHUCKLE*)&quot;

Ah, Barker, there you go .  .  .  There&#039;s no one on this board with whom I agree more than Otto.  I often don&#039;t even add a post b/c he&#039;s already said what&#039;s on my mind.   We will have to agreeably disagree:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 // Jul 31, 2009 at 7:17 pm wrote:  &#8220;P.S. &#8211; DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE… DIE, DIE, DIE!  (*CHUCKLE*)&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, Barker, there you go .  .  .  There&#8217;s no one on this board with whom I agree more than Otto.  I often don&#8217;t even add a post b/c he&#8217;s already said what&#8217;s on my mind.   We will have to agreeably disagree:)</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Spartacus // Jul 31, 2009 at 3:25 pm --

Oh... THAT rant.

(*CHUCKLE*)

Nah... doesn&#039;t change my (relatively) (*WINK*) high opinion of you, Spart. I just think of you as a guy in &quot;recovery&quot; who every once in a while falls off the wagon.

Anyway... we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Right...???

BILL

P.S. - DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE... DIE, DIE, DIE! 

(*CHUCKLE*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Spartacus // Jul 31, 2009 at 3:25 pm &#8211;</p>
<p>Oh&#8230; THAT rant.</p>
<p>(*CHUCKLE*)</p>
<p>Nah&#8230; doesn&#8217;t change my (relatively) (*WINK*) high opinion of you, Spart. I just think of you as a guy in &#8220;recovery&#8221; who every once in a while falls off the wagon.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; we can disagree without being disagreeable.</p>
<p>Right&#8230;???</p>
<p>BILL</p>
<p>P.S. &#8211; DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! DIE, OTTO, DIE&#8230; DIE, DIE, DIE! </p>
<p>(*CHUCKLE*)</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<dc:creator>barker13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Dmalone1 // Jul 31, 2009 at 3:41 am --

&quot;It’s clear to me that Mr. Steele’s jestful comments, as distasteful (if you’ll pardon the pun) as they may have been, were simply an attempt at a kind hearted welcoming, on behalf of a minority party, to attract voters who have long been unreachable to Republicans.&quot;

Confession. I&#039;m just now watching the actual clip. 

So... exactly WHAT is &quot;distasteful...???&quot; Seriously... I&#039;m confused; I&#039;m not getting it.

STEELE: &quot;...Y&#039;All Come...&quot;

That&#039;s... er... &quot;southern,&quot; right? &quot;Southern,&quot; but also kinda midwestern in the &quot;Hee-Haw&quot; country music &quot;broader&quot; sense. Right...??? I mean... the expression isn&#039;t tied to race... is it...???

BLACK WOMAN: &quot;...I&#039;ll bring the collard greens...&quot;

Hmm... &quot;collard greens.&quot; That&#039;s &quot;southern&quot; too - right...??? &quot;Southern&quot; and also kinda &quot;rural,&quot; no...??? Or... are collard greens ONLY &quot;soul food,&quot; only something blacks eat...??? 

STEELE: &quot;...I got the fried chicken and potato salad...&quot;

Now I frigg&#039;n KNOW that &quot;us white folk&quot; eat fried chicken and potato salad. (*GRIN*) Still, when I think Fried Chicken I think &quot;southern.&quot; No... not &quot;black.&quot; &quot;Southern.&quot;

(*SHRUG*)

So... is it me...??? What&#039;s the problem...??? Two black people fooling around... might have just as easily been two white southerners... might have just as well been any sort of fooling around reference to food choices over a broad swath of rural America!

Nothing offensive. Nothing &quot;racial.&quot; Hell... check out the &quot;Beer Thread.&quot; Talk about stereotyping and typecasting! (*CHUCKLE*)

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Dmalone1 // Jul 31, 2009 at 3:41 am &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s clear to me that Mr. Steele’s jestful comments, as distasteful (if you’ll pardon the pun) as they may have been, were simply an attempt at a kind hearted welcoming, on behalf of a minority party, to attract voters who have long been unreachable to Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Confession. I&#8217;m just now watching the actual clip. </p>
<p>So&#8230; exactly WHAT is &#8220;distasteful&#8230;???&#8221; Seriously&#8230; I&#8217;m confused; I&#8217;m not getting it.</p>
<p>STEELE: &#8220;&#8230;Y&#8217;All Come&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s&#8230; er&#8230; &#8220;southern,&#8221; right? &#8220;Southern,&#8221; but also kinda midwestern in the &#8220;Hee-Haw&#8221; country music &#8220;broader&#8221; sense. Right&#8230;??? I mean&#8230; the expression isn&#8217;t tied to race&#8230; is it&#8230;???</p>
<p>BLACK WOMAN: &#8220;&#8230;I&#8217;ll bring the collard greens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; &#8220;collard greens.&#8221; That&#8217;s &#8220;southern&#8221; too &#8211; right&#8230;??? &#8220;Southern&#8221; and also kinda &#8220;rural,&#8221; no&#8230;??? Or&#8230; are collard greens ONLY &#8220;soul food,&#8221; only something blacks eat&#8230;??? </p>
<p>STEELE: &#8220;&#8230;I got the fried chicken and potato salad&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I frigg&#8217;n KNOW that &#8220;us white folk&#8221; eat fried chicken and potato salad. (*GRIN*) Still, when I think Fried Chicken I think &#8220;southern.&#8221; No&#8230; not &#8220;black.&#8221; &#8220;Southern.&#8221;</p>
<p>(*SHRUG*)</p>
<p>So&#8230; is it me&#8230;??? What&#8217;s the problem&#8230;??? Two black people fooling around&#8230; might have just as easily been two white southerners&#8230; might have just as well been any sort of fooling around reference to food choices over a broad swath of rural America!</p>
<p>Nothing offensive. Nothing &#8220;racial.&#8221; Hell&#8230; check out the &#8220;Beer Thread.&#8221; Talk about stereotyping and typecasting! (*CHUCKLE*)</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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