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		<title>By: KayJay</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-story-behind-the-clothes-in-garbage-bags-story/comment-page-4#comment-39232</link>
		<dc:creator>KayJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oodoodanoo said 1/24/2009 11:07 AM:  &quot;Frum and his kind are just angling to get Palin out of the way with this story. They can&#039;t see her qualities, even though the rest of the Republican Party can. SHE ISN&#039;T PART OF THE WASHINGTON SET?&quot;.&quot;-------------Oh, no?  Then why did she start up a PAC?  Why did she engage a Mass. PR firm?  Why is she NOT tending to AK business during that state&#039;s trying times?-----------She shouldn&#039;t be interested in that Alfalfa Club old-fogies get-together this weekend if she were a &quot;mavericky outsider&quot;, and ESPECIALLY shouldn&#039;t be interested in meeting and greeting Pres. Obama -- after the way she denigrated him during the campaign.  She&#039;s a hypocrite through and through.----------as for the RNC clothing:  My own personal belief is that the Palins took all the clothing out of the RNC plane when they returned to Alaska after the failed election attempt in November, and they replaced most if not all of the clothing -- sprinkling a few sample pieces of RNC-bought clothing on top -- with THEIR OWN old worn wardrobe.  And the RNC knows about it, and is too embarrassed by this scam to &quot;nail Palin&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oodoodanoo said 1/24/2009 11:07 AM:  &#8220;Frum and his kind are just angling to get Palin out of the way with this story. They can&#8217;t see her qualities, even though the rest of the Republican Party can. SHE ISN&#8217;T PART OF THE WASHINGTON SET?&#8221;.&#8221;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Oh, no?  Then why did she start up a PAC?  Why did she engage a Mass. PR firm?  Why is she NOT tending to AK business during that state&#8217;s trying times?&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;She shouldn&#8217;t be interested in that Alfalfa Club old-fogies get-together this weekend if she were a &#8220;mavericky outsider&#8221;, and ESPECIALLY shouldn&#8217;t be interested in meeting and greeting Pres. Obama &#8212; after the way she denigrated him during the campaign.  She&#8217;s a hypocrite through and through.&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-as for the RNC clothing:  My own personal belief is that the Palins took all the clothing out of the RNC plane when they returned to Alaska after the failed election attempt in November, and they replaced most if not all of the clothing &#8212; sprinkling a few sample pieces of RNC-bought clothing on top &#8212; with THEIR OWN old worn wardrobe.  And the RNC knows about it, and is too embarrassed by this scam to &#8220;nail Palin&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: like-mind</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-story-behind-the-clothes-in-garbage-bags-story/comment-page-4#comment-50663</link>
		<dc:creator>like-mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word coming out of the McCain campaign was that Palin was told to buy a couple of suits for appearances, and she is the one who went on a &#039;kid in a candy store&#039; multi-state spending spree.  When she wasn&#039;t able to spend anymore, she imposed upon campaign staffers to put further purchases on their own personal credit cards - that&#039;s why there was a blow-up after the campaign loss: all those staffers submitted the expenditures for reimbursement.  When Palin pretended that she was unaware of that the clothes were expensive (to try to reclaim her soccer-mom-ishness), she was lying: not only does any model/beauty queen know when clothes are expensive, but also the clothing was brought to her for trying-on by Personal Shoppers from Nordstrom et al, at her request and to her specifications.  

This is an example of the denial and deceit that Mr. Frum rightly decries.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word coming out of the McCain campaign was that Palin was told to buy a couple of suits for appearances, and she is the one who went on a &#8216;kid in a candy store&#8217; multi-state spending spree.  When she wasn&#8217;t able to spend anymore, she imposed upon campaign staffers to put further purchases on their own personal credit cards &#8211; that&#8217;s why there was a blow-up after the campaign loss: all those staffers submitted the expenditures for reimbursement.  When Palin pretended that she was unaware of that the clothes were expensive (to try to reclaim her soccer-mom-ishness), she was lying: not only does any model/beauty queen know when clothes are expensive, but also the clothing was brought to her for trying-on by Personal Shoppers from Nordstrom et al, at her request and to her specifications.  </p>
<p>This is an example of the denial and deceit that Mr. Frum rightly decries.</p>
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		<title>By: ProudLiberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProudLiberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>senorlechero
11:18 PM
I don&#039;t know w Realspear is, but I posted that I would like democrats barred from posting. It&#039;s not about viewpoint, its about democrats and liberals posting here to cause havoc. There&#039;s enough havoc between the branches of conservativism, we dont need liberals posting too. Frankly I could never read, yet alone post, on a liberal or democrat site.


This is ridiculous. It&#039;s a free country. Wever wants to respond to this article suld be able to respond. 
I think you just exemplified one of the worst things about Republicans: you try to shut up anyone w doesn&#039;t agree with you. Liberals do that, too, but I&#039;ve never seen a liberal asking conservatives to be barred from an online discussion.
If your opinions aren&#039;t strong enough that you can&#039;t argue them, maybe they&#039;re not actually your opinions. And if you want to strengthen them, the way to do is to argue. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>senorlechero<br />
11:18 PM<br />
I don&#8217;t know w Realspear is, but I posted that I would like democrats barred from posting. It&#8217;s not about viewpoint, its about democrats and liberals posting here to cause havoc. There&#8217;s enough havoc between the branches of conservativism, we dont need liberals posting too. Frankly I could never read, yet alone post, on a liberal or democrat site.</p>
<p>This is ridiculous. It&#8217;s a free country. Wever wants to respond to this article suld be able to respond.<br />
I think you just exemplified one of the worst things about Republicans: you try to shut up anyone w doesn&#8217;t agree with you. Liberals do that, too, but I&#8217;ve never seen a liberal asking conservatives to be barred from an online discussion.<br />
If your opinions aren&#8217;t strong enough that you can&#8217;t argue them, maybe they&#8217;re not actually your opinions. And if you want to strengthen them, the way to do is to argue.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrfreeze, thanks for the olive branch. Likewise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrfreeze, thanks for the olive branch. Likewise.</p>
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		<title>By: senorlechero</title>
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		<dc:creator>senorlechero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know who Realspear is, but I posted that I would like democrats barred from posting.  It&#039;s not about viewpoint, its about democrats and liberals posting here to cause havoc.  There&#039;s enough havoc between the branches of conservativism, we dont need liberals posting too.  Frankly I could never read, yet alone post, on a liberal or democrat site.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who Realspear is, but I posted that I would like democrats barred from posting.  It&#8217;s not about viewpoint, its about democrats and liberals posting here to cause havoc.  There&#8217;s enough havoc between the branches of conservativism, we dont need liberals posting too.  Frankly I could never read, yet alone post, on a liberal or democrat site.</p>
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		<title>By: senorlechero</title>
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		<dc:creator>senorlechero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realist...I&#039;m on the extreme right and Michael Steele is ok with me.  In fact I haven&#039;t heard anyone in our camp bash him.  We have no problem with moderates.  Our problem is with moderates wanting to change the values of the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realist&#8230;I&#8217;m on the extreme right and Michael Steele is ok with me.  In fact I haven&#8217;t heard anyone in our camp bash him.  We have no problem with moderates.  Our problem is with moderates wanting to change the values of the party.</p>
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		<title>By: RonniD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonniD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Isn&#039;t it ironic that one poster is asking that someone reading and posting mush &#039;prove&#039; their GOP credentials before being allowed to respond . isn&#039;t the point of sites such as this to discuss issues? 2. Please never ever use as proof a survey from Fox news. Their word should never be trusted as proof of anything . I recognize there purpose is to spin and support the conservative base, but this is exactly why their &#039;facts&#039; should be distrusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Isn&#8217;t it ironic that one poster is asking that someone reading and posting mush &#8216;prove&#8217; their GOP credentials before being allowed to respond . isn&#8217;t the point of sites such as this to discuss issues? 2. Please never ever use as proof a survey from Fox news. Their word should never be trusted as proof of anything . I recognize there purpose is to spin and support the conservative base, but this is exactly why their &#8216;facts&#8217; should be distrusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cardin 965,567   54.2%

Steele 787,352   44.2%

Real close race there, Frum.  

Once again, Frum reveals that he has yet to accept reality as a basis for his arguments.   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardin 965,567   54.2%</p>
<p>Steele 787,352   44.2%</p>
<p>Real close race there, Frum.  </p>
<p>Once again, Frum reveals that he has yet to accept reality as a basis for his arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, David is right about Michael Steele becoming head of the RNC. Because of his moderate views on Roe v. Wade, affirmative action, and stem-cell research, there is virturally ZERO chance that he can past muster of the most extreme right-wing of the party. As recently as 2005, he was getting Oreo cookies thrown at him at him at campaign stops. Until we enlarge our base beyond a vocal hysterical minority, we will never be taken seriously by the country at-large again. Michael Steele has proven himself as one of the most wise and thoughtful spokesman for conservative viewpoints. To squander his talents would be another sad omen for the RNC. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, David is right about Michael Steele becoming head of the RNC. Because of his moderate views on Roe v. Wade, affirmative action, and stem-cell research, there is virturally ZERO chance that he can past muster of the most extreme right-wing of the party. As recently as 2005, he was getting Oreo cookies thrown at him at him at campaign stops. Until we enlarge our base beyond a vocal hysterical minority, we will never be taken seriously by the country at-large again. Michael Steele has proven himself as one of the most wise and thoughtful spokesman for conservative viewpoints. To squander his talents would be another sad omen for the RNC.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The failure of Conservatism is the failure of Socialism. Socialism allowed itself to be hijacked by Nationalism in the 1930s giving us the Nazi regime in the 1940s. Conservatism allowed itself to be hijacked by Nationalism starting in the 1980s giving us Neoconservatism now. Both of detriments to humanity. Thank you GOP for corporate fascism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The failure of Conservatism is the failure of Socialism. Socialism allowed itself to be hijacked by Nationalism in the 1930s giving us the Nazi regime in the 1940s. Conservatism allowed itself to be hijacked by Nationalism starting in the 1980s giving us Neoconservatism now. Both of detriments to humanity. Thank you GOP for corporate fascism.</p>
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