The Shootings at Fort Hood

November 6th, 2009 at 8:13 am David Frum | 30 Comments |

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Here are some images everybody should keep in mind today:


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  • andydp

    I hope we can keep this a civil discourse on the sacrifices the dead and wounded at Fort Hood have done and were about to do for us.

    Thank you for reminding us we are all Americans reguardless of religion.

  • ottovbvs

    ………very true……a not dissimilar situation from that existing in WW 2 when we had interned large numbers of Japanese Americans while at the same time many Japanese Americans were in the US military

  • Oldskool

    This should be a story about stress and mental illness more than anything else. But “should” doesn’t have much clout these days.

  • Raider1

    Glad to see that David Frum shows much more tolerance to Islam than Islam will show to him if it has its way here.

    I suppose we could also show the the tombstones of all the victims of Islamic terrorism but not sure if we have enough bandwidth.

    And Otto, your comparison to Japanese American internment is ludicrous…even for you.

  • Raider1

    For the record…I am NOT saying this particluar crime is a Jihad-related incident. I will be the first to admit that I do not know all the facts yet.

  • mymy

    Gee I would have thought we would be thinking about the12-13 families who lost a member yesterday.Maybe we would be thinking about the families of all those wounded.I’m so glad Mr.Frum has told me it is much more important to think about Muslims

  • Churl

    ottovbs, who’s talking about internment here? There will be Muslims, of course, whooping for victim status and the media will push this as hard as they can. “Muslims Fear Backlash” or similar headlines will doubtless show up, as they invariably do when something like this happens. Expect stories like “Woman With Headscarf Scowled at in Wal-Mart”. The usual suspects will rail on the internet at all things Islamic, but things won’t go much beyond that.

  • jc749

    Thank you for posting these.

  • RNews

    Thank you for posting these photos.

  • sinz54

    oldskool: This should be a story about stress and mental illness more than anything else.
    You are jumping to conclusions too.

    For now, we just don’t know why he did what he did.

  • sinz54

    Churl: “Muslims Fear Backlash” or similar headlines will doubtless show up, as they invariably do when something like this happens.
    They already have:

    http://tinyurl.com/y94cyg9

    Americans get slaughtered, and the instant response is “We fear a backlash.” That’s all they care about: Let the infidels get slaughtered, but keep your hands off of us.

  • sinz54

    ottovbs: a not dissimilar situation from that existing in WW 2 when we had interned large numbers of Japanese Americans while at the same time many Japanese Americans were in the US military
    How many suicide-bombings did Japanese-Americans commit on American soil?

    How many acts of actual sabotage by Japanese were there?

    From the FBI website:

    # Last year, we disrupted a homegrown Sunni Islamic extremist group in California known as the JIS, a.k.a. “Assembly of Authentic Islam,” operating primarily in state prisons, without apparent connections or direction from outside the United States and no identifiable foreign nexus. Members of the JIS committed armed robberies in Los Angeles with the goal of financing terrorist attacks against the enemies of Islam, including the U.S. government and supporters of Israel.

    # This past summer, we arrested Narseal Batiste, the leader of a group with intentions to wage jihad against the United States and that was seeking to create its own army and government. Batiste also recognized his resource limitations and sought to obtain material support or take direction from al Qaeda. The group was composed mostly of U.S. persons, many of them born in the United States, and their intentions were to attack inside this country.

    The diversity of homegrown extremists and the direct knowledge they have of the United States makes the threat they pose potentially very serious. The radicalization of U.S. Muslim-converts is of particular concern. While conversion to Islam, in itself, does not directly lead to radicalization, converts appear to be more vulnerable and likely to be placed in situations that put them in a position to be influenced by Islamic extremists.

    http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress07/mueller011107.htm

    That there are radicalized Muslims, right here in America, who would just love to wage jihad against us “infidels” is not in doubt. Ask the FBI.

    What is in doubt, is whether this Fort Hood shooter was one of them.

  • chrisdornan

    Thank you David.

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  • mymy

    Now that we’ve all been told to respect Muslims how about a picture of Kimberly Mundley the police sergeant that shot Hasan.She is still in the hospital.

  • truepatriotlove

    The liberal media has barely mentioned the Islamic possibly jihadist nature of the attack, let alone caused a backlash. So showing these images – albeit very moving – is jumping the gun to defend what hasn’t yet been attacked.

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  • CE

    Well done.

  • Churl

    “So showing these images – albeit very moving – is jumping the gun to defend what hasn’t yet been attacked.”

    Reminds me of the joke headline “Muslims Fear Backlash From Tomorrow’s Car Bombing”.

  • rbottoms

    Naturally it would only take hours for the Right Wing freak show to swing into action.

    Well, if you were wondering what paranoiac smear artist would be the first to step out and attempt to name President Barack Obama as the man who guided Nidal Malik Hasan to his murderous rampage at Fort Hood yesterday, the answer — naturally! — is Jerome Corsi. Corsi has a long history of lunatic, fact-averse ravings and he fails to disappoint on that regard on the pages of World Net Daily, today, in a piece entitled “Shooter advised Obama transition.” Except, of course, he didn’t do any such thing.

    Essentially, what the HSPI did (and all of this is spelled out explicitly in this document’s executive summary) is convene a giant group of security wonks and academics, heard some briefings, made some “internal deliberations,” and generated a set of priorities and recommendations. Then those recommendations got published, and maybe someone at the White House read them, but it’s more likely that the content ended up as material to cite in the middle of further security-wonk discussions.

    And at some point in the process, Nidal Hasan might have sat in a room while this was happening, with a few hundred other people.

    But none of this constitutes formal advice given to the president on homeland security during the transition of power. This was a university panel that has sod all to do with the White House, generating ideas, and calling it “advice” for the president. If two or three of you wanted to meet up with me at the Au Bon Pain on Pennsylvania Avenue this afternoon and chat today, we will have accomplished basically the same thing.

    Corsi, in fact, knows this. He writes:

    While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.

    In short, the facts Corsi obtained torpedo the premise of his piece, which, I remind you, is that the “shooter advised [the] Obama transition.” Were this being written for a responsible journalistic entity, some creature called an “editor” would have stepped in and said, “Hey, Jerome, you realize that by your own findings, you article is complete horseshit, right?” But this is World Net Daily, written by and for complete charlatans.

    UPDATE: I contacted Frank Cilluffo, the director of the HSPI at George Washington University, who tells me that Nidal Hasan has no affiliation with the HSPI or with George Washington University, at all. “[Hasan] has no role on the task force, other than the fact that he attended these meetings as an audience member, as did hundreds of others.” Hasan’s name appears on the list of participants only because he provided the HSPI with an RSVP, indicating his attendance. Cilluffo told me, “We always record RSVPs and publish them as a matter of transparency, and will continue to do so.”

  • SpartacusIsNotDead

    truepatriotlove wrote: “The liberal media has barely mentioned the Islamic possibly jihadist nature of the attack . . . ”

    Why would the media mention jihad as a possible reason for the attack if there’s no evidence of that as a motive? Maybe you believe that the fact that the attacker is of Middle Eastern descent is, by itself, evidence of jihad?

    No wonder Frum felt the need to warn people not to jump to conclusions.

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  • tylernulltx

    Good. The only good muslim is one 6ft under.

  • sinz54

    SpartacusIsNotDead: Why would the media mention jihad as a possible reason for the attack if there’s no evidence of that as a motive?
    Evidence is starting to trickle in.

    Some in the Army who knew him, said that he espoused a genuine hatred toward his own country, which is totally unacceptable for an Army officer who is sworn to defend the United States Constitution. He had said that American Muslims should not enlist in the Army, because no Muslim should ever be ordered to kill another Muslim.

    He had always refused to be photographed with women, a sign of Muslim radicalism.

    He shouted “Allah Akhbar!” just before he opened fire.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-hasan7-2009nov07,0,4710653.story

    and numerous other news sources

    That doesn’t sound to me like a nutcase who was hearing voices, or someone who had just had a nervous breakdown. It sounds to me like a guy who hated and hated America with a passion–and one fine day, decided to do something about it.

    He’s no more a mental case than Timothy McVeigh was.

  • sinz54

    This was reported by NPR:

    ZWERDLING: Earlier today, I spoke to a psychiatrist who worked very closely with Hasan and knows him very well. And he said, you know, from the beginning -and Hasan was there for four years – the medical staff was very worried about this guy. ….The psychiatrist says that he was very proud and upfront about being Muslim. And psychiatrist hastened to say, and nobody minded that. But he seemed almost belligerent about being Muslim, and he gave a lecture one day that really freaked a lot of doctors out.

    They have grand rounds, right? They, you know, dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium, and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, you know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But instead of that, he – Hasan apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran and talked about how if you don’t believe, you are condemned to hell. Your head is cut off. You’re set on fire. Burning oil is burned down your throat.

    And I said to the psychiatrist, but this cold be a very interesting informational session, right? Where he’s educating everybody about the Koran. He said but what disturbed everybody was that Hasan seemed to believe these things. And actually, a Muslim in the audience, a psychiatrist, raised his hand and said, excuse me. But I’m a Muslim and I do not believe these things in the Koran, and then I don’t believe what you say the Koran says. And then Hasan didn’t say, well, I’m just giving you one point of view. He basically just stared the guy down.
    “If you don’t believe, your head is cut off.”

    ANYONE with views like that cannot be a U.S. Army officer at a time when the U.S. is actively engaged in fighting Islamic radicals.

  • SpartacusIsNotDead

    Sinz wrote: “That doesn’t sound to me like a nutcase who was hearing voices, or someone who had just had a nervous breakdown.”

    I never asserted he was crazy. I simply defended the media’s reluctance to suggest it was jihad, which seemed to disappoint truepatriotlove.

    I have no idea why he did this and that is why I agree with your post at #10.

  • sinz54

    SpartacusIsNotDead:

    This may give us a clue why he did this:

    Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
    Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used ‘Electronic Means’ to Connect with Terrorists
    By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
    ABC News

    Nov. 9, 2009 —

    U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

    It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

    Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan’s efforts.

    CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress “to preserve” all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

    Hoekstra said he is “absolutely furious” that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan’s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.

  • SpartacusIsNotDead

    Sinz wrote: “This may give us a clue why he did this.”

    It does indeed seem to be an act of terrorism.

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