Comments on: The Republican Party Is On The Precipice Of Irrelevance… http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance Building a conservatism that can win again Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:03:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Moral Strategy: The Case For Pragmatic Conservatism « Resolute Determination http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-80515 Moral Strategy: The Case For Pragmatic Conservatism « Resolute Determination Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:00:40 +0000 #comment-80515 [...] added).  Moreover, as Michael Powell has observed, a fixation on ideological purity and litmus tests inhibits the development of new [...] [...] added).  Moreover, as Michael Powell has observed, a fixation on ideological purity and litmus tests inhibits the development of new [...]

]]> By: agnostic http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-39091 agnostic Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:23:46 +0000 #comment-39091 I can see only one way - if there is any at all - to get back: To show competency at governing (according to conservative principles, of course, otherwise why bother trying to come back in the first place). Which means grassroots rebuilding from municipal to state to federal. In the short term, the Republican best hope are the Republican Governors. Grooming those we have and focusing on having more of them should be among top priorities. I can see only one way – if there is any at all – to get back: To show competency at governing (according to conservative principles, of course, otherwise why bother trying to come back in the first place). Which means grassroots rebuilding from municipal to state to federal. In the short term, the Republican best hope are the Republican Governors. Grooming those we have and focusing on having more of them should be among top priorities.

]]> By: Obamacan http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-44366 Obamacan Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:21:54 +0000 #comment-44366 This party is doomed. This party is doomed.

]]> By: Sk8 Punk http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-49186 Sk8 Punk Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:15:05 +0000 #comment-49186 Sorry man, but you have it wrong. Your kids saw Obama as modern because that is what the establishment and those with power wanted them to see. And power can do what it wants. Obama could have been mocked as one of the most incoherent and phony politicians ever if it would have served their purposes. Think of his incoherence, back tracking, constant contradictions, and inability to even put his pants on without a teleprompter... He is really just another politician, but because we is good looking and charming the establishment pulled it off. I am a college librarian and professor. It is all about the establishment and what they do with their power. Ironically, I just wrote about this at my blog: http://sk8punkcynic.blogspot.com/ I skate, surf- in essence am way cooler than Obama, and I am a Mexican too. It's all about Power. Power is how the Dems can image themselves as the good guys- just like arhooley says below. Sorry man, but you have it wrong. Your kids saw Obama as modern because that is what the establishment and those with power wanted them to see. And power can do what it wants. Obama could have been mocked as one of the most incoherent and phony politicians ever if it would have served their purposes. Think of his incoherence, back tracking, constant contradictions, and inability to even put his pants on without a teleprompter… He is really just another politician, but because we is good looking and charming the establishment pulled it off. I am a college librarian and professor. It is all about the establishment and what they do with their power. Ironically, I just wrote about this at my blog:
http://sk8punkcynic.blogspot.com/ I skate, surf- in essence am way cooler than Obama, and I am a Mexican too. It’s all about Power. Power is how the Dems can image themselves as the good guys- just like arhooley says below.

]]> By: arhooley http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-48860 arhooley Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:16:11 +0000 #comment-48860 9/11 Republican speaking here. (Sorry it took so long -- I had my One Issue that kept me voting Dem for ages.) I speak a lot with my erstwhile political coevals who are beginning to see a little more clearly, and a huge part of the problem is image. "Republicans are mean." It's funny, brad smith, because those are the very words they use in describing the image problem. I think if they see a few "cool" Republicans who aren't into defining the party in terms of what it's against as Powell says, we'd have a few more members under the tent. 9/11 Republican speaking here. (Sorry it took so long — I had my One Issue that kept me voting Dem for ages.)

I speak a lot with my erstwhile political coevals who are beginning to see a little more clearly, and a huge part of the problem is image. “Republicans are mean.” It’s funny, brad smith, because those are the very words they use in describing the image problem. I think if they see a few “cool” Republicans who aren’t into defining the party in terms of what it’s against as Powell says, we’d have a few more members under the tent.

]]> By: eli http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-49626 eli Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:52:46 +0000 #comment-49626 Yes, whitetower, youth do not make up most of the voters. However, it is the youth that get excited for the candidate and make noise for him/her. Barack Obama is a prime example. Youth on the internet brought Obama to stardom, and then the media picked up on the movement. But his rise to fame is largely attributable to screams of many youth. Yes, whitetower, youth do not make up most of the voters. However, it is the youth that get excited for the candidate and make noise for him/her. Barack Obama is a prime example. Youth on the internet brought Obama to stardom, and then the media picked up on the movement. But his rise to fame is largely attributable to screams of many youth.

]]> By: whitetower http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-45080 whitetower Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:50:18 +0000 #comment-45080 The "graying" of America is far more relevant than the mythical "browning" of America. The 18-29 demographic is largely irrelevant. They are the least political active, most misinformed, and are declining in proportion to the overall electorate. Ultimately McCain lost because conservatives and the middle class abandoned him and the GOp in general (perhaps rightly). Obama won, albeit barely, the middle-class vote and was able to win the vote of 20% of conservatives. Appeal to those values, and the GOP is back in power. If the next GOP candidate is a genuine, Reagan conservative (i.e., limited government, traditional values, strong defense) he/she would beat any Democratic candidate. The “graying” of America is far more relevant than the mythical “browning” of America.

The 18-29 demographic is largely irrelevant. They are the least political active, most misinformed, and are declining in proportion to the overall electorate.

Ultimately McCain lost because conservatives and the middle class abandoned him and the GOp in general (perhaps rightly). Obama won, albeit barely, the middle-class vote and was able to win the vote of 20% of conservatives. Appeal to those values, and the GOP is back in power.

If the next GOP candidate is a genuine, Reagan conservative (i.e., limited government, traditional values, strong defense) he/she would beat any Democratic candidate.

]]> By: eli http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-43629 eli Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:47:57 +0000 #comment-43629 I agree with you. I do think, however, that President Obama's "modern" style was maximized by Sen. McCain's oldness. Young people did not associate with Democratic Party before Obama came around. As a teen, I see Obama's qualities drawing kids into the Democratic Party-- not the other way around. That tells me that kids' stereotypes are not inherent to a particular party, but to candidates. If the Republican Party could get Jindal to run on a national level, maybe they'd see the same young people surge as the Democrats saw. I agree with you. I do think, however, that President Obama’s “modern” style was maximized by Sen. McCain’s oldness. Young people did not associate with Democratic Party before Obama came around. As a teen, I see Obama’s qualities drawing kids into the Democratic Party– not the other way around. That tells me that kids’ stereotypes are not inherent to a particular party, but to candidates. If the Republican Party could get Jindal to run on a national level, maybe they’d see the same young people surge as the Democrats saw.

]]> By: GuyInCT http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-42553 GuyInCT Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:52:33 +0000 #comment-42553 IMHO, the Iraq war destroyed the Conservative movement. Somehow invading a country that did not threaten us, nor threaten any ally of ours, somehow got sold as a "conservative" value. That was the genius of the neo-con movement. IMHO, the Iraq war destroyed the Conservative movement. Somehow invading a country that did not threaten us, nor threaten any ally of ours, somehow got sold as a “conservative” value. That was the genius of the neo-con movement.

]]> By: dropdead http://www.frumforum.com/the-republican-party-is-on-the-precipice-of-irrelevance/comment-page-1#comment-52541 dropdead Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:58:02 +0000 #comment-52541 I am not confident that a right of center coalition will ever be a majority in this country. The Dems/Libs are importing voters ( illegals), producing voters ( left wing academics), creating voters ( see ACORN), and buying voters ( welfare, social security, SSI, disability). Can you see the new crop of lazy, pot addled kids voting GOP? Can we overcome the overwhelming media bias? I am not confident I am not confident that a right of center coalition will ever be a majority in this country. The Dems/Libs are importing voters ( illegals), producing voters ( left wing academics), creating voters ( see ACORN), and buying voters ( welfare, social security, SSI, disability). Can you see the new crop of lazy, pot addled kids voting GOP? Can we overcome the overwhelming media bias? I am not confident

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