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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually sdspringy instead of an unusually angry and bilious piece of ranting you should have read what I said more carefully...... I displayed zero moral superiority.....I&#039;m entirely tolerant of moral failings probably because I have a few myself(no doubt you have none) ....I recognize that man is human and has human frailties.....I also have some sense of perspective, adjudging bonking interns to be somewhat lower on the scale of human frailties than lying us into wars in which thousands of our kids have been killed and maimed.....none of this was massively germane to my central point that a fat, red faced, drug addict is hardly a good front man for a party that trumpets its moral values but it seems to have got you awfully excited...........Now here&#039;s something else for you to get excited about......a few comments from your fellow christian Republicans at the hot air right wing website on the passing of Uncle Walt.....such lovely people.....some of them share your enthusiasm for Ted Kennedy too:

           
&quot;Personally, I hope his extended family all die of excrutiating cancers. Karma, you know?

I’ll shed no tears over the death of a Lefty turd like Cronkite. As a matter of fact, if I could piss on his grave, I would.

I am sick of kissing the ass of people who screwed not only their country and their profession, but millions of innocents, because the media tells me I am supposed to.
Go. To. Hell. You. Lying. Bastard.

I got excited whe I saw the fox news alert, saw the grey hair from across the room, and then my weekend was ruined it wasn’t the timely demise of Ted Kennedy. Oh well……patience I guess.

Good bye Walter. May the worms enjoy you more than I did.

May he rot in hell.

Soon Ted will die and Walter, JFK, RFK and Ted can ride around Hell in Teds Olds, pickin’ up women.
Waitress sandwich anyone?

Walter Cronkite actually makes my list of greatest MASS MURDERERS in History! So, yup, he can burn in hell!!

Twist in Hell, Cronkite. I hope the only relief you find in the Lake of Fire is a million murdered Cambodians spitting on you.

Rich liberal hypocritical fool……see ya! Now we only need Teddy to retire or expire and maybe we’ll see windmills in Natucket sound.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually sdspringy instead of an unusually angry and bilious piece of ranting you should have read what I said more carefully&#8230;&#8230; I displayed zero moral superiority&#8230;..I&#8217;m entirely tolerant of moral failings probably because I have a few myself(no doubt you have none) &#8230;.I recognize that man is human and has human frailties&#8230;..I also have some sense of perspective, adjudging bonking interns to be somewhat lower on the scale of human frailties than lying us into wars in which thousands of our kids have been killed and maimed&#8230;..none of this was massively germane to my central point that a fat, red faced, drug addict is hardly a good front man for a party that trumpets its moral values but it seems to have got you awfully excited&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Now here&#8217;s something else for you to get excited about&#8230;&#8230;a few comments from your fellow christian Republicans at the hot air right wing website on the passing of Uncle Walt&#8230;..such lovely people&#8230;..some of them share your enthusiasm for Ted Kennedy too:</p>
<p>&#8220;Personally, I hope his extended family all die of excrutiating cancers. Karma, you know?</p>
<p>I’ll shed no tears over the death of a Lefty turd like Cronkite. As a matter of fact, if I could piss on his grave, I would.</p>
<p>I am sick of kissing the ass of people who screwed not only their country and their profession, but millions of innocents, because the media tells me I am supposed to.<br />
Go. To. Hell. You. Lying. Bastard.</p>
<p>I got excited whe I saw the fox news alert, saw the grey hair from across the room, and then my weekend was ruined it wasn’t the timely demise of Ted Kennedy. Oh well……patience I guess.</p>
<p>Good bye Walter. May the worms enjoy you more than I did.</p>
<p>May he rot in hell.</p>
<p>Soon Ted will die and Walter, JFK, RFK and Ted can ride around Hell in Teds Olds, pickin’ up women.<br />
Waitress sandwich anyone?</p>
<p>Walter Cronkite actually makes my list of greatest MASS MURDERERS in History! So, yup, he can burn in hell!!</p>
<p>Twist in Hell, Cronkite. I hope the only relief you find in the Lake of Fire is a million murdered Cambodians spitting on you.</p>
<p>Rich liberal hypocritical fool……see ya! Now we only need Teddy to retire or expire and maybe we’ll see windmills in Natucket sound.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sdspringy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otto:....
………….The problem is Limbaugh’s image and drug history were highly relevant to the point Frum was making…….A grotesquely overweight, red faced, blustering white guy with a history of drug taking is hardly the image you want on your electoral product……the fact you can’t discern the relevance says something about you as does the assertion that getting hooked on drugs is not a moral failing…..Of course it’s a moral failing…

I certainly enjoy the kind of leftist superiority the Otto likes to exhibit.  It makes for such fun when you plug the Dems into the grotesquely overweight, Kennedy, red faced, Clinton, Blustering, Biden white guy with a history of taking drugs, Obama.  Oh wait not white.  Really thought I had a streak going there.   I also cannot believe Otto that you would express any comment concerning moral failings, being so nonjudgemental and leftist and all.  
Of course Dem voters are typically nonjudgemental when electing their representatives.  You can have sex with your male page, Stubbs, kill a companion, Kennedy, female page gone missing, Condit
crosses and cape, Byrd, do nasty things with cigars, Clinton, be a complete idiot, Frankenn, and of course run a brothel from your home, Frank.  Get reelected everytime.  Now what does that say about a Dem voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otto:&#8230;.<br />
………….The problem is Limbaugh’s image and drug history were highly relevant to the point Frum was making…….A grotesquely overweight, red faced, blustering white guy with a history of drug taking is hardly the image you want on your electoral product……the fact you can’t discern the relevance says something about you as does the assertion that getting hooked on drugs is not a moral failing…..Of course it’s a moral failing…</p>
<p>I certainly enjoy the kind of leftist superiority the Otto likes to exhibit.  It makes for such fun when you plug the Dems into the grotesquely overweight, Kennedy, red faced, Clinton, Blustering, Biden white guy with a history of taking drugs, Obama.  Oh wait not white.  Really thought I had a streak going there.   I also cannot believe Otto that you would express any comment concerning moral failings, being so nonjudgemental and leftist and all.<br />
Of course Dem voters are typically nonjudgemental when electing their representatives.  You can have sex with your male page, Stubbs, kill a companion, Kennedy, female page gone missing, Condit<br />
crosses and cape, Byrd, do nasty things with cigars, Clinton, be a complete idiot, Frankenn, and of course run a brothel from your home, Frank.  Get reelected everytime.  Now what does that say about a Dem voter.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Ace of Spades Is My Blog Hero, But . . .</title>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: brutus1791 // Jul 16, 2009 at 4:11 pm --

&quot;...Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child...&quot;

Long live Pendergast and D&#039;Agosta!

Hey, Brutus, let me ask you, have you read much (any?) Heinlein? I mean for political/social philosophy Heinlein was the man! If you&#039;ve never read &quot;Starship Troopers&quot;  start there. &quot;The Moon is a Harsh Mistress&quot; would also be another novel I&#039;m guessing you&#039;d appreciate. Finally, the novelette &quot;The Man Who Sold The Moon&quot; should be right up your ally.

Oh... and back to Lincoln Child (kinda)... have you ever read Lee Child&#039;s &quot;Reacher&quot; novels? I can&#039;t recommend them highly enough. I&#039;d advise any new reader to start with &quot;The Enemy.&quot;

BILL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: brutus1791 // Jul 16, 2009 at 4:11 pm &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Long live Pendergast and D&#8217;Agosta!</p>
<p>Hey, Brutus, let me ask you, have you read much (any?) Heinlein? I mean for political/social philosophy Heinlein was the man! If you&#8217;ve never read &#8220;Starship Troopers&#8221;  start there. &#8220;The Moon is a Harsh Mistress&#8221; would also be another novel I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;d appreciate. Finally, the novelette &#8220;The Man Who Sold The Moon&#8221; should be right up your ally.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230; and back to Lincoln Child (kinda)&#8230; have you ever read Lee Child&#8217;s &#8220;Reacher&#8221; novels? I can&#8217;t recommend them highly enough. I&#8217;d advise any new reader to start with &#8220;The Enemy.&#8221;</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: brutus1791</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barker says: How’bout… umm… ME!

Aha!  And we have the new Prince!  Creating reality as is fit ;) (not a put down, I assure you)  The Unitary Executive lives on NewMajority.

Sinz Says: “For too long, we’ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered “conservative”…

I very much appreciate Barker&#039;s response to this.  Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Ends... the means in which some people are trying to make these changes are genuinely Conservative.  They are not circumventing the Constitution, nor thinking of ways to do things until it has to rise to the level of Constitutional pontification (Supreme Court) as the left likes to do with their Circus Courts (borrowed from Levin).  Either way, I disagree with the marriage amendment, but our problem lies in the old COmmerce Clause in which non-traditional marriages would cross state lines and their marriagial contract would have to be recognized in the next state.  

The other situation, that nugatory notion of Life and what-not, is easily solved when one reads the Social Contract we are all bound by... &quot;life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (property if you&#039;re a Lockean ;).  

Barker, never a fan of SciFi (or as the channel now has it, SyFy).  I did enjoy &quot;Ender&#039;s Game&quot; though, when I read it during the days of my youth (Rousseauian days).  And Crighton, how could one go wrong?  I stick to the political philosophy... and Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child... guess they could be SyFy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barker says: How’bout… umm… ME!</p>
<p>Aha!  And we have the new Prince!  Creating reality as is fit <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (not a put down, I assure you)  The Unitary Executive lives on NewMajority.</p>
<p>Sinz Says: “For too long, we’ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered “conservative”…</p>
<p>I very much appreciate Barker&#8217;s response to this.  Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Ends&#8230; the means in which some people are trying to make these changes are genuinely Conservative.  They are not circumventing the Constitution, nor thinking of ways to do things until it has to rise to the level of Constitutional pontification (Supreme Court) as the left likes to do with their Circus Courts (borrowed from Levin).  Either way, I disagree with the marriage amendment, but our problem lies in the old COmmerce Clause in which non-traditional marriages would cross state lines and their marriagial contract would have to be recognized in the next state.  </p>
<p>The other situation, that nugatory notion of Life and what-not, is easily solved when one reads the Social Contract we are all bound by&#8230; &#8220;life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (property if you&#8217;re a Lockean <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  </p>
<p>Barker, never a fan of SciFi (or as the channel now has it, SyFy).  I did enjoy &#8220;Ender&#8217;s Game&#8221; though, when I read it during the days of my youth (Rousseauian days).  And Crighton, how could one go wrong?  I stick to the political philosophy&#8230; and Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child&#8230; guess they could be SyFy?</p>
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		<title>By: barker13</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sinz54 // Jul 16, 2009 at 10:46 am --

&quot;Who is to say which alternate universe is the proper one, the “correct” one?&quot;

How&#039;bout... umm... ME!

No, no... can&#039;t have one man rule; let&#039;s make it... umm... Me, Myself, and I. (*WINK*)

&quot;For too long, we’ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered “conservative”...&quot;

The policy proposals themselves may be argued as not conservative, but the recognition of the CORRECT CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURES that must be followed in order to add to or subtract from the Constitution is &quot;conservative&quot; to the core.

(But, hey... Sinz... I thought you and the Sinzites wanted to get away from arguing social policy and stick to economics and defense...???) (*SLY SMILE*)

*** HEY! Share with me (us) your favorite Sci Fi authors.

Me? As you might guess... I&#039;m a Heinlein man!!! For &quot;modern&quot; stuff... contemporary Sci-Fi... David Webber is my guy.

Anderson... Asimov... Keith Laumer... I could go on and on.

How&#039;bout you? (Let me guess... Arthur C. Clarke? Big fan?) (I&#039;m more of a Crichton kinda guy.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sinz54 // Jul 16, 2009 at 10:46 am &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Who is to say which alternate universe is the proper one, the “correct” one?&#8221;</p>
<p>How&#8217;bout&#8230; umm&#8230; ME!</p>
<p>No, no&#8230; can&#8217;t have one man rule; let&#8217;s make it&#8230; umm&#8230; Me, Myself, and I. (*WINK*)</p>
<p>&#8220;For too long, we’ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered “conservative”&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The policy proposals themselves may be argued as not conservative, but the recognition of the CORRECT CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURES that must be followed in order to add to or subtract from the Constitution is &#8220;conservative&#8221; to the core.</p>
<p>(But, hey&#8230; Sinz&#8230; I thought you and the Sinzites wanted to get away from arguing social policy and stick to economics and defense&#8230;???) (*SLY SMILE*)</p>
<p>*** HEY! Share with me (us) your favorite Sci Fi authors.</p>
<p>Me? As you might guess&#8230; I&#8217;m a Heinlein man!!! For &#8220;modern&#8221; stuff&#8230; contemporary Sci-Fi&#8230; David Webber is my guy.</p>
<p>Anderson&#8230; Asimov&#8230; Keith Laumer&#8230; I could go on and on.</p>
<p>How&#8217;bout you? (Let me guess&#8230; Arthur C. Clarke? Big fan?) (I&#8217;m more of a Crichton kinda guy.)</p>
<p>BILL</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54 // Jul 16, 2009 at 10:35 am 
&quot;David Frum didn’t stick to disagreeing with Limbaugh’s views. He had to attack Limbaugh as a person?&quot;

.............The problem is Limbaugh&#039;s image and drug history were highly relevant to the point Frum was making.......A grotesquely overweight, red faced, blustering white guy with a history of drug taking is hardly the image you want on your electoral product......the fact you can&#039;t discern the relevance says something about you as does the assertion that getting hooked on drugs is not a moral failing.....Of course it&#039;s a moral failing.....I have no personal problems with moral failings as long as they don&#039;t cause me too much inconvenience.....I&#039;m entirely tolerant of them in fact but that doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t exist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54 // Jul 16, 2009 at 10:35 am<br />
&#8220;David Frum didn’t stick to disagreeing with Limbaugh’s views. He had to attack Limbaugh as a person?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.The problem is Limbaugh&#8217;s image and drug history were highly relevant to the point Frum was making&#8230;&#8230;.A grotesquely overweight, red faced, blustering white guy with a history of drug taking is hardly the image you want on your electoral product&#8230;&#8230;the fact you can&#8217;t discern the relevance says something about you as does the assertion that getting hooked on drugs is not a moral failing&#8230;..Of course it&#8217;s a moral failing&#8230;..I have no personal problems with moral failings as long as they don&#8217;t cause me too much inconvenience&#8230;..I&#8217;m entirely tolerant of them in fact but that doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t exist</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barker13 sez:  &quot;Your problem is that you live in some sort of alternate reality where NewMajority is a conservative blog. &quot;

As a science fiction fan, my response to you is:  Who is to say which alternate universe is the proper one, the &quot;correct&quot; one?

For too long, we&#039;ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered &quot;conservative&quot;; banning even online Internet poker is considered &quot;conservative&quot;; and waging a war in Iraq to bring &quot;democracy&quot; to the benighted peoples of the developing world is considered &quot;conservative&quot;.

I regard that alternate reality as no more &quot;conservative&quot; than the one I have chosen, and very likely even less conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barker13 sez:  &#8220;Your problem is that you live in some sort of alternate reality where NewMajority is a conservative blog. &#8221;</p>
<p>As a science fiction fan, my response to you is:  Who is to say which alternate universe is the proper one, the &#8220;correct&#8221; one?</p>
<p>For too long, we&#8217;ve been living in an alternate reality in which Constitutional amendments to ban abortion and gay marriage nationwide (even in liberal states, overriding their own marriage laws) is considered &#8220;conservative&#8221;; banning even online Internet poker is considered &#8220;conservative&#8221;; and waging a war in Iraq to bring &#8220;democracy&#8221; to the benighted peoples of the developing world is considered &#8220;conservative&#8221;.</p>
<p>I regard that alternate reality as no more &#8220;conservative&#8221; than the one I have chosen, and very likely even less conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<description>ottovbvs:  I considered Frum&#039;s comments about Limbaugh&#039;s drug history and physical stature as completely out of line. That was an attack on Limbaugh&#039;s character, and completely unwarranted.  Lots of folks (even Democrats!) have gotten hooked on prescription painkillers that were originally prescribed legitimately for chronic pain.  It&#039;s not any kind of moral failing.

David Frum didn&#039;t stick to disagreeing with Limbaugh&#039;s views. He had to attack Limbaugh as a person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ottovbvs:  I considered Frum&#8217;s comments about Limbaugh&#8217;s drug history and physical stature as completely out of line. That was an attack on Limbaugh&#8217;s character, and completely unwarranted.  Lots of folks (even Democrats!) have gotten hooked on prescription painkillers that were originally prescribed legitimately for chronic pain.  It&#8217;s not any kind of moral failing.</p>
<p>David Frum didn&#8217;t stick to disagreeing with Limbaugh&#8217;s views. He had to attack Limbaugh as a person?</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<description>dragonlady // Jul 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm 
&quot;Time to stop feeding the trolls!&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dragonlady // Jul 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm<br />
&#8220;Time to stop feeding the trolls!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..One awaits a coherent answer but it never comes of course</p>
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