Comments on: The Petraeus Option http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Raimondo: Populism, Left and Right | NWOTruth http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-2#comment-96137 Raimondo: Populism, Left and Right | NWOTruth Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:45:17 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-96137 [...] In that realm, it’s the same old Republican invade-the- world globaloney: Iraq was a “victory,” Afghanistan is a necessity, and Israel must be defended and succored no matter the damage [...] [...] In that realm, it’s the same old Republican invade-the- world globaloney: Iraq was a “victory,” Afghanistan is a necessity, and Israel must be defended and succored no matter the damage [...]

]]> By: cpanza http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75516 cpanza Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:20:52 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75516 I'm not interested because your comments have zero content in them. I think you're aware of that, however. You're playing a different role. I’m not interested because your comments have zero content in them. I think you’re aware of that, however. You’re playing a different role.

]]> By: MI-GOPer http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75485 MI-GOPer Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:30:34 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75485 cpannie, I'm not surprised they have zero interest for you... you've clearly avoided the truth and reality for so long... even dragging you to the river and forcing you to drink the nectar of truth wouldn't change your penchant to cling to your special blindered version of reality. It's why you are a liberal and find Sullie such a beacon of insight. cpannie, I’m not surprised they have zero interest for you… you’ve clearly avoided the truth and reality for so long… even dragging you to the river and forcing you to drink the nectar of truth wouldn’t change your penchant to cling to your special blindered version of reality. It’s why you are a liberal and find Sullie such a beacon of insight.

]]> By: cpanza http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75449 cpanza Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:51:40 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75449 MI-GOP: Your outrage driven ad hominem assessments are of zero interest to me. MI-GOP:

Your outrage driven ad hominem assessments are of zero interest to me.

]]> By: MI-GOPer http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75436 MI-GOPer Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:00:07 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75436 cpan writes: "I think Sullivan has it right here..." Of course you do, cpan; Sullie is the modern day version of Daily Kos-sacks dressed up in the false finery of once-upon-a-time-conservative. Sullie is a hard core, bitter anti-Bush ego-centric piece of fluff supported --much like this site-- by left activists intent on making him their poster boi of "moderate reasonableness". Except, to most on the Right and to most conservative gays, he is neither moderate nor reasonable in his opinions. That you would find Sullie having anything right says more about your place on the political continuum than his value as a pundit. IMHO cpan writes: “I think Sullivan has it right here…”

Of course you do, cpan; Sullie is the modern day version of Daily Kos-sacks dressed up in the false finery of once-upon-a-time-conservative. Sullie is a hard core, bitter anti-Bush ego-centric piece of fluff supported –much like this site– by left activists intent on making him their poster boi of “moderate reasonableness”. Except, to most on the Right and to most conservative gays, he is neither moderate nor reasonable in his opinions.

That you would find Sullie having anything right says more about your place on the political continuum than his value as a pundit.

IMHO

]]> By: MI-GOPer http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75435 MI-GOPer Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:55:21 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75435 John G, what you don't know is that BarryS is really 5-6 other characters who have been manufactured for this site by a single, enterprising but time-wasting democrat activist. He isn't here to debate the issues --he and his varied names are here to incite, inflame, irritate, annoy and disrupt or distract those honest people truly interested in a dialogue on how we rebuild the Party and the conservative movement. That you've elected to dismiss his questioning is ill-advised. In a short time, he and the varied names will hound you until you submit. He'll call you a coward. He'll call you a yellow dog. He'll inject himself into each thread until you submit. He may not be able to waterboard you, but if he could he would and that's pretty scarey even for a Dick Cheney fan like me. You can take the tack of dismissing him as insincere and frivolous --which he and his varied names are-- but you do so at your own peril of a hunt and hounding unknown to you til now. John G, what you don’t know is that BarryS is really 5-6 other characters who have been manufactured for this site by a single, enterprising but time-wasting democrat activist.

He isn’t here to debate the issues –he and his varied names are here to incite, inflame, irritate, annoy and disrupt or distract those honest people truly interested in a dialogue on how we rebuild the Party and the conservative movement.

That you’ve elected to dismiss his questioning is ill-advised. In a short time, he and the varied names will hound you until you submit. He’ll call you a coward. He’ll call you a yellow dog. He’ll inject himself into each thread until you submit. He may not be able to waterboard you, but if he could he would and that’s pretty scarey even for a Dick Cheney fan like me.

You can take the tack of dismissing him as insincere and frivolous –which he and his varied names are– but you do so at your own peril of a hunt and hounding unknown to you til now.

]]> By: cpanza http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75426 cpanza Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:55:00 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75426 I think Sullivan has it right here: if you want to define "victory" as thinking we should remain in Afghanistan until al Qaeda and the Taliban are completely gone, and there's a democracy that works and is not corrupt and not bankrolled by opium, go ahead. But it also means that you are for never ending war with never ending costs and never ending American deaths. It's an unrealistic pipe dream that has no desire to confront reality or what is reasonable. I think Sullivan has it right here: if you want to define “victory” as thinking we should remain in Afghanistan until al Qaeda and the Taliban are completely gone, and there’s a democracy that works and is not corrupt and not bankrolled by opium, go ahead. But it also means that you are for never ending war with never ending costs and never ending American deaths. It’s an unrealistic pipe dream that has no desire to confront reality or what is reasonable.

]]> By: BarryS http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75421 BarryS Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:33:59 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75421 Quote "I’m interest in the national interest and what is best for America. I’m not interested in narrow or petty political and ideological interests." That is a giant crock. You are a Neocon trying his hardest to discredit a Commander in chief at a time of war. Your writings here over the past month have been full of Cheneys "Ditherer". Man up and own what you believe. Quote “I’m interest in the national interest and what is best for America. I’m not interested in narrow or petty political and ideological interests.”

That is a giant crock. You are a Neocon trying his hardest to discredit a Commander in chief at a time of war. Your writings here over the past month have been full of Cheneys “Ditherer”. Man up and own what you believe.

]]> By: BarryS http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75419 BarryS Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:26:45 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75419 Quote "As a practical if not legal matter, General Petraeus is directly accountable to the President of the United States. This obviously means that General Petraeus cannot always be as candid or direct in public as he might perhaps wish to be." Sure sounds like you are saying he is lying (not saying what he means) to me. I have no wish to debate you. I just want to state the facts. You still have not defined "victory". I am convinced you have no clue. Quote “As a practical if not legal matter, General Petraeus is directly accountable to the President of the United States. This obviously means that General Petraeus cannot always be as candid or direct in public as he might perhaps wish to be.”

Sure sounds like you are saying he is lying (not saying what he means) to me.

I have no wish to debate you. I just want to state the facts. You still have not defined “victory”. I am convinced you have no clue.

]]> By: BarryS http://www.frumforum.com/the-petraeus-option/comment-page-1#comment-75415 BarryS Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:09:37 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=17179#comment-75415 You still have not given YOUR definition of victory. You have surmised what General Petraeus's definition is not based on his own words but a paraphrase of a reporters opinion. How are you going to "win" in Afghanistan when pretty nearly all of AQ and the Taliban is in Pakistan. And can come and go across the border at will? You still have not given YOUR definition of victory. You have surmised what General Petraeus’s definition is not based on his own words but a paraphrase of a reporters opinion.

How are you going to “win” in Afghanistan when pretty nearly all of AQ and the Taliban is in Pakistan. And can come and go across the border at will?

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