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		<title>By: jreb</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-nypd-anti-muslim-bigots/comment-page-1#comment-64858</link>
		<dc:creator>jreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Richard, I believe the report did the exact opposite of what the Muslim-American community accused the NYPD. Rather than try to paint the entire community as radical extremists it attempted to discover the influences within the community which served to radicalized certain members to become terrorists. Instead of trying to use the bigot card as an excuse for the behavior of radical members of their community, this should be an opportunity for the peace loving members of the Muslim community to loudly voice its condemnation of the members of the community who have perverted their religion and expound on their desire to live in peace with their fellow human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Richard, I believe the report did the exact opposite of what the Muslim-American community accused the NYPD. Rather than try to paint the entire community as radical extremists it attempted to discover the influences within the community which served to radicalized certain members to become terrorists. Instead of trying to use the bigot card as an excuse for the behavior of radical members of their community, this should be an opportunity for the peace loving members of the Muslim community to loudly voice its condemnation of the members of the community who have perverted their religion and expound on their desire to live in peace with their fellow human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Roddy66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must be kidding me. Every Terrorist was islamic, almost all of the 14,000 ( Fourteen thousands) terrorist attacks in the world after sept 11 has been conducted by islamic supremacist.  Must hate literature and hate speeches are coming from mosques, must human right violations, woman denigration, gay killing is coming from islamic mosques and countries. 

So I Say we pay 100 attention to muslim in this country. udos to the NYP for doing their job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be kidding me. Every Terrorist was islamic, almost all of the 14,000 ( Fourteen thousands) terrorist attacks in the world after sept 11 has been conducted by islamic supremacist.  Must hate literature and hate speeches are coming from mosques, must human right violations, woman denigration, gay killing is coming from islamic mosques and countries. </p>
<p>So I Say we pay 100 attention to muslim in this country. udos to the NYP for doing their job</p>
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		<title>By: agentprovocateur</title>
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		<dc:creator>agentprovocateur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists.&lt;/b&gt;

Well, if we are going to judge American Muslims on criterion like this, perhaps we should ask what percentage of Southern Whites are sympathetic to the Confederate Cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists.</p>
<p>Well, if we are going to judge American Muslims on criterion like this, perhaps we should ask what percentage of Southern Whites are sympathetic to the Confederate Cause.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is, that in Europe, no matter how they coddle Muslims, they are still going to end up in a similar position that Israel is in. The same Israel that Leftwingers have been bashing as racist imperialist oppressors. They will have to implement “Apartheid Walls,” security checkpoints, and the whole shebang. Not because every Muslim is the most vile sort, but because Islam itself is, and thus a large chunk of Muslims will be aching to wage violent Jihad. Others will be waging political and legal Jihad promoting Shariah, and through democratic institutions promoting Muslim supremacy, special respect rights, protections, etc for Mohammad and Allah and Islam and Muslims….which promotes dhimmitude for the other.

You need to wake up and smell the stink that is Islam.

As many as go on tirades against Christians on the Left and also on the Right, you aint seen nothing until youve seen the Islamic Right in action. The West was founded upon Christian metaphysics, Christians built the most liberal and free-est progressive nations on Earth. 

A cursory preview of Muslim Majority countries on this Earth is not inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is, that in Europe, no matter how they coddle Muslims, they are still going to end up in a similar position that Israel is in. The same Israel that Leftwingers have been bashing as racist imperialist oppressors. They will have to implement “Apartheid Walls,” security checkpoints, and the whole shebang. Not because every Muslim is the most vile sort, but because Islam itself is, and thus a large chunk of Muslims will be aching to wage violent Jihad. Others will be waging political and legal Jihad promoting Shariah, and through democratic institutions promoting Muslim supremacy, special respect rights, protections, etc for Mohammad and Allah and Islam and Muslims….which promotes dhimmitude for the other.</p>
<p>You need to wake up and smell the stink that is Islam.</p>
<p>As many as go on tirades against Christians on the Left and also on the Right, you aint seen nothing until youve seen the Islamic Right in action. The West was founded upon Christian metaphysics, Christians built the most liberal and free-est progressive nations on Earth. </p>
<p>A cursory preview of Muslim Majority countries on this Earth is not inspiring.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m no bleeding-heart multiculturalist. It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists. But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people. ---moderate

Am I free to voice my stance as anti Islam.   Are anti Christianity folks provincial bigots?  Or is that a one way street?

I know full well that most Muslims are peaceful people, most are peaceful in spite of Islam, not because of it.    They are even more supportive of Shariah law implementation in Western countries.

Islam is not your friend, though some Muslims may be.  Inviting them into your country in large numbers is a huge mistake, and one the Europeans will be paying for in the most regretable fashion for a long, long time.  They already are.

Lets put it this way.  There were certainly Nazis that werent the most vile sorts of supremacists and violent aggressive subjugators.  But that doesnt make them, not your enemy, or a danger to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m no bleeding-heart multiculturalist. It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists. But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people. &#8212;moderate</p>
<p>Am I free to voice my stance as anti Islam.   Are anti Christianity folks provincial bigots?  Or is that a one way street?</p>
<p>I know full well that most Muslims are peaceful people, most are peaceful in spite of Islam, not because of it.    They are even more supportive of Shariah law implementation in Western countries.</p>
<p>Islam is not your friend, though some Muslims may be.  Inviting them into your country in large numbers is a huge mistake, and one the Europeans will be paying for in the most regretable fashion for a long, long time.  They already are.</p>
<p>Lets put it this way.  There were certainly Nazis that werent the most vile sorts of supremacists and violent aggressive subjugators.  But that doesnt make them, not your enemy, or a danger to you.</p>
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		<title>By: SFTor1</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFTor1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only recipe I see is to include the Muslim community while striking hard at terrorists among them. We need American Muslims to stand up for their country and help protect against homegrown terrorism. 

In the other hand must be the sword. We must strike precise, hard blows at terrorists, homegrown and otherwise. Terrorists are the most hideous criminals, and must be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

As far as domestic terrorism is concerned the most likely source today is the extreme right. That is the segment that is openly airing irrational grievances, that is armed, and demonstrably violent. There are many Timothy McVeighs in the making right now. Law enforcement absolutely has to find ways to infiltrate those environments and be ready to stop whatever is headed our way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only recipe I see is to include the Muslim community while striking hard at terrorists among them. We need American Muslims to stand up for their country and help protect against homegrown terrorism. </p>
<p>In the other hand must be the sword. We must strike precise, hard blows at terrorists, homegrown and otherwise. Terrorists are the most hideous criminals, and must be dealt with swiftly and harshly.</p>
<p>As far as domestic terrorism is concerned the most likely source today is the extreme right. That is the segment that is openly airing irrational grievances, that is armed, and demonstrably violent. There are many Timothy McVeighs in the making right now. Law enforcement absolutely has to find ways to infiltrate those environments and be ready to stop whatever is headed our way.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I looked at the report.

No, I don&#039;t think it implies any kind of stereotyping of all Muslims.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Europe’s failure to integrate the 2nd and 3rd generation of its immigrants into
society, both economically and socially, has left many young Muslims torn
between the secular West and their religious heritage. This inner conflict makes
them especially vulnerable to extremism—the radical views, philosophy, and
rhetoric that is highly advertised and becoming more and more fashionable
among young Muslims in the West.
• Muslims in the U.S. are more resistant, but not immune to the radical message.
o Despite the economic opportunities in the United States, the powerful
gravitational pull of individuals’ religious roots and identity sometimes
supersedes the assimilating nature of American society which includes
pursuit of a professional career, financial stability and material comforts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was surprised that the report did not talk about the Black Muslim movement.  I believe that another reason why American Muslims are less susceptible to calls to jihadism is because about one-fourth of American Muslims are Black Muslims (Malcolm X, Mohammed Ali, Nation of Islam, etc.), who have a significantly different agenda.  They are as much Black Nationalists as they are Muslims.  They have more solidarity with Africa than with Afghanistan or Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I looked at the report.</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think it implies any kind of stereotyping of all Muslims.</p>
<p> Europe’s failure to integrate the 2nd and 3rd generation of its immigrants into<br />
society, both economically and socially, has left many young Muslims torn<br />
between the secular West and their religious heritage. This inner conflict makes<br />
them especially vulnerable to extremism—the radical views, philosophy, and<br />
rhetoric that is highly advertised and becoming more and more fashionable<br />
among young Muslims in the West.<br />
• Muslims in the U.S. are more resistant, but not immune to the radical message.<br />
o Despite the economic opportunities in the United States, the powerful<br />
gravitational pull of individuals’ religious roots and identity sometimes<br />
supersedes the assimilating nature of American society which includes<br />
pursuit of a professional career, financial stability and material comforts. </p>
<p>I was surprised that the report did not talk about the Black Muslim movement.  I believe that another reason why American Muslims are less susceptible to calls to jihadism is because about one-fourth of American Muslims are Black Muslims (Malcolm X, Mohammed Ali, Nation of Islam, etc.), who have a significantly different agenda.  They are as much Black Nationalists as they are Muslims.  They have more solidarity with Africa than with Afghanistan or Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: jabbermule</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moderate:

&quot;It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists&quot;

Good God, that&#039;s the understatement of the year. 25% of AMERICAN Muslims sympathetic to the perpetrators of 9/11??? Big problem??? It disgusts me to the core. How could anyone, after witnessing the incineration and mutilation of nearly 3000 people on that day, be sympathetic to anything those bastards stand for? .05% would be a big problem; 25% is alarming and quite frankly should be seen as a national emergency.

&quot;But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people&quot;

I&#039;m sick and tired of these excuses for Islam. Bottom line - until moderate Muslims stand up as one voice and condemn these ongoing horrific acts of violence, I will NEVER see Islam as &quot;far greater than these violent sects.&quot;

Further, Islam is the most blatantly violent, jingoistic, anti-feminist, militaristic and supremacist religion on the face of the planet, and the Left is at best silent on this. At worst, the Left makes excuse after excuse after excuse for Islam&#039;s contemptable behavior in the name of &quot;multiculturalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moderate:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists&#8221;</p>
<p>Good God, that&#8217;s the understatement of the year. 25% of AMERICAN Muslims sympathetic to the perpetrators of 9/11??? Big problem??? It disgusts me to the core. How could anyone, after witnessing the incineration and mutilation of nearly 3000 people on that day, be sympathetic to anything those bastards stand for? .05% would be a big problem; 25% is alarming and quite frankly should be seen as a national emergency.</p>
<p>&#8220;But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of these excuses for Islam. Bottom line &#8211; until moderate Muslims stand up as one voice and condemn these ongoing horrific acts of violence, I will NEVER see Islam as &#8220;far greater than these violent sects.&#8221;</p>
<p>Further, Islam is the most blatantly violent, jingoistic, anti-feminist, militaristic and supremacist religion on the face of the planet, and the Left is at best silent on this. At worst, the Left makes excuse after excuse after excuse for Islam&#8217;s contemptable behavior in the name of &#8220;multiculturalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Moderate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escapevelocity, it&#039;s provincial bigots like you who are embarrassing the GOP and driving minorities away from conservatism.

I&#039;m no bleeding-heart multiculturalist.  It&#039;s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists.  But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escapevelocity, it&#8217;s provincial bigots like you who are embarrassing the GOP and driving minorities away from conservatism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no bleeding-heart multiculturalist.  It&#8217;s a big problem when 25% of American Muslims express some sympathy to terrorists.  But Islam is far greater than these violent sects, and the vast majority of American Muslims are good, patriotic people.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im anti islam.....full stop.

Its a vile supremacist religion that seeks to subjugate &quot;the other,&quot; and institute religious shariah law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im anti islam&#8230;..full stop.</p>
<p>Its a vile supremacist religion that seeks to subjugate &#8220;the other,&#8221; and institute religious shariah law.</p>
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