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		<title>By: Republicans United. &#187; Fred Kaplan&#8217;s Republican Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republicans United. &#187; Fred Kaplan&#8217;s Republican Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Palin. Let&#8217;s start with the team at FrumForum (né New Majority) who have been such frequent critics that Alex Knepper has taken to anticipating backlash in his posts (&#8220;The next time I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Beheading the Conspiracy Monster &#124; Ernesto Aguilar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beheading the Conspiracy Monster &#124; Ernesto Aguilar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the way, Palin&#8217;s speech comes shortly after Alaska documents surfaced talking about Todd Palin&#8217;s power in state affairs. AKPC_IDS += &quot;2169,&quot;;   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: grackle</title>
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		<dc:creator>grackle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted earlier: Well, she[Hillary Clinton] supervised the crafting of a universal healthcare bill for the United States. There is also her part in the passing of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act. I think these known examples constitute going pretty far.

The commentor: &lt;I&gt;Not the same thing–not even close.&lt;/I&gt; 

I agree. Crafting actual federal legislation IS much more significant than merely assisting with the myriad minor daily tasks of a spouse who happens to hold an elected state office. Todd Palin assisted with some local Alaskan Governor’s office business while Hillary’s efforts were affecting an entire nation – not just a state – and from the office of the highest elective office in our land. Nope, not the same thing at all. Not that there’s anything wrong with either example, mind you. Like I wrote before – in our system of government a President or Governor is free to call upon just about anyone they want for advice and assistance. I wouldn’t have it any other way.  But the commentor is correct in that the two examples are not the same – one is much more significant than the other.  

&lt;I&gt;Clinton is trying to press her socialist agenda legitimately–as wrong as many of us believe it to be. Palin, on the other hand, is ethically challenged and this is the latest in a series of incidents that cause those of us who place character and service to our country above party lines to doubt her fitness for leadership, her ethics, and her character.&lt;/I&gt;

It happens a lot, doesn’t it, readers? One agenda is seen and described as legitimate – and any other as “ethically challenged.” For some there is never a mere honest difference of opinion. It’s all seen from some sort of moral high ground where everything else is labeled as unethical, unfit, lacking in character, etc. These folks hold rigid opinions and have complete contempt for any deviation from their template. You either think and believe as they do or you are not legitimate.   

&lt;I&gt;Troopergate was the tip of the ice berg.&lt;/I&gt;

Here again, I agree. A subordinate, serving at the pleasure of his boss, was fired by his boss. This definitely constitutes the tip of an immense iceberg since the firing of subordinates by bosses happens so very often and is so very common all over the world. For any one example that can be cited there are no doubt millions more that make up the rest of the iceberg. I commend the commentor on this astute observation and brilliant metaphor.  

&lt;I&gt;There are far more ethical, intelligent, and public stewardship inclined Republicans to lead this party.&lt;/I&gt; 

For the record, as of now Sarah Palin is not my first choice, either. But if it’s between her and Obama I will gladly vote for her. Sarah Palin has 3 years until the next Presidential. I’ll withhold final judgement until those days roll in. She could change, I could change, a lot of things could change, so the decision doesn’t have to be made yet. And of course we do not know whether she will ever run for another political office. .   

&lt;I&gt;I commend David for his honesty and willingness to ignore party lines for the greater good of this nation.&lt;/I&gt; 

For all it’s worth, I also respect Frum’s right to hold an adverse opinion of Todd Palin’s role in Sarah Palin’s term as Alaskan Governor and of Sarah Palin herself – but of course I DO disagree with it. 

&lt;I&gt;And I don’t consider a person’s sexual persuasion when I consider his words, deeds, character, and loyalty to this nation–the Joint Chiefs of Staff doesn’t either. The rest of you need to remember about Thomas Jefferson and the separation of church and state–because your religion that is the only reason you condemn homosexuals. Is the Israeli Army godless? I am sure not.&lt;/I&gt;

I think here the commentor is speaking not to me but to other commentors – since I believe that gays openly serving in the military is probably an idea which is on the cusp of becoming the norm. There’s a commission being formed to study the issue and I withhold final judgement until the commission’s report is made public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted earlier: Well, she[Hillary Clinton] supervised the crafting of a universal healthcare bill for the United States. There is also her part in the passing of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act. I think these known examples constitute going pretty far.</p>
<p>The commentor: Not the same thing–not even close. </p>
<p>I agree. Crafting actual federal legislation IS much more significant than merely assisting with the myriad minor daily tasks of a spouse who happens to hold an elected state office. Todd Palin assisted with some local Alaskan Governor’s office business while Hillary’s efforts were affecting an entire nation – not just a state – and from the office of the highest elective office in our land. Nope, not the same thing at all. Not that there’s anything wrong with either example, mind you. Like I wrote before – in our system of government a President or Governor is free to call upon just about anyone they want for advice and assistance. I wouldn’t have it any other way.  But the commentor is correct in that the two examples are not the same – one is much more significant than the other.  </p>
<p>Clinton is trying to press her socialist agenda legitimately–as wrong as many of us believe it to be. Palin, on the other hand, is ethically challenged and this is the latest in a series of incidents that cause those of us who place character and service to our country above party lines to doubt her fitness for leadership, her ethics, and her character.</p>
<p>It happens a lot, doesn’t it, readers? One agenda is seen and described as legitimate – and any other as “ethically challenged.” For some there is never a mere honest difference of opinion. It’s all seen from some sort of moral high ground where everything else is labeled as unethical, unfit, lacking in character, etc. These folks hold rigid opinions and have complete contempt for any deviation from their template. You either think and believe as they do or you are not legitimate.   </p>
<p>Troopergate was the tip of the ice berg.</p>
<p>Here again, I agree. A subordinate, serving at the pleasure of his boss, was fired by his boss. This definitely constitutes the tip of an immense iceberg since the firing of subordinates by bosses happens so very often and is so very common all over the world. For any one example that can be cited there are no doubt millions more that make up the rest of the iceberg. I commend the commentor on this astute observation and brilliant metaphor.  </p>
<p>There are far more ethical, intelligent, and public stewardship inclined Republicans to lead this party. </p>
<p>For the record, as of now Sarah Palin is not my first choice, either. But if it’s between her and Obama I will gladly vote for her. Sarah Palin has 3 years until the next Presidential. I’ll withhold final judgement until those days roll in. She could change, I could change, a lot of things could change, so the decision doesn’t have to be made yet. And of course we do not know whether she will ever run for another political office. .   </p>
<p>I commend David for his honesty and willingness to ignore party lines for the greater good of this nation. </p>
<p>For all it’s worth, I also respect Frum’s right to hold an adverse opinion of Todd Palin’s role in Sarah Palin’s term as Alaskan Governor and of Sarah Palin herself – but of course I DO disagree with it. </p>
<p>And I don’t consider a person’s sexual persuasion when I consider his words, deeds, character, and loyalty to this nation–the Joint Chiefs of Staff doesn’t either. The rest of you need to remember about Thomas Jefferson and the separation of church and state–because your religion that is the only reason you condemn homosexuals. Is the Israeli Army godless? I am sure not.</p>
<p>I think here the commentor is speaking not to me but to other commentors – since I believe that gays openly serving in the military is probably an idea which is on the cusp of becoming the norm. There’s a commission being formed to study the issue and I withhold final judgement until the commission’s report is made public.</p>
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		<title>By: ch</title>
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		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NH@24 - Troopergate was about Palin firing, not Trooper Wooten (of whom Palin was so &quot;afraid&quot; she fired her security detail - WTH?), but Walt Monegan, the AK Public Safety Commissioner. I think you have your &quot;facts&quot; a bit fuzzy.

Any independent thinker, having been witness to Palin&#039;s many lapses of ethics, would laugh to hear anyone say Palin&#039;s ethics are &quot;impeccable.&quot; Come on. Take her off the pedastal. She&#039;s a human. You&#039;d be more believable if you were to say that you still like Palin in spite of her &quot;pecadillos.&quot; At least that would sound as if you lived in &quot;reality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NH@24 &#8211; Troopergate was about Palin firing, not Trooper Wooten (of whom Palin was so &#8220;afraid&#8221; she fired her security detail &#8211; WTH?), but Walt Monegan, the AK Public Safety Commissioner. I think you have your &#8220;facts&#8221; a bit fuzzy.</p>
<p>Any independent thinker, having been witness to Palin&#8217;s many lapses of ethics, would laugh to hear anyone say Palin&#8217;s ethics are &#8220;impeccable.&#8221; Come on. Take her off the pedastal. She&#8217;s a human. You&#8217;d be more believable if you were to say that you still like Palin in spite of her &#8220;pecadillos.&#8221; At least that would sound as if you lived in &#8220;reality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NH, the very fact that you think that &quot;you won&#039;t get anywhere&quot; bringing up Todd Palin&#039;s ties with the Alaska Independence Party shows just what an ideological bubble you live in. Secession is provided for in the Constitution? It&#039;s funny, I just read the Constitution, and it didn&#039;t say anything about the right of a state to leave the Union. Even if you twist the Tenth Amendment (and it is quite a twist) to say that states have the unenumerated power to secede, the Civil War and its aftermath has forever discredited the possibility of secession outside the militia movement and some dark corners of the internet. The Union is indivisible and perpetual.

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you read the Constitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NH, the very fact that you think that &#8220;you won&#8217;t get anywhere&#8221; bringing up Todd Palin&#8217;s ties with the Alaska Independence Party shows just what an ideological bubble you live in. Secession is provided for in the Constitution? It&#8217;s funny, I just read the Constitution, and it didn&#8217;t say anything about the right of a state to leave the Union. Even if you twist the Tenth Amendment (and it is quite a twist) to say that states have the unenumerated power to secede, the Civil War and its aftermath has forever discredited the possibility of secession outside the militia movement and some dark corners of the internet. The Union is indivisible and perpetual.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, when was the last time you read the Constitution?</p>
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		<title>By: NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book on the right &#039;Conservatism Can Win Again&#039; --- written by THIS AUTHOR who is bashing Sarah??? 

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book on the right &#8216;Conservatism Can Win Again&#8217; &#8212; written by THIS AUTHOR who is bashing Sarah??? </p>
<p>WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secession is not unAmerican -- it&#039;s provided for in the Constitution... Keep the feds&#039; nose out of the states&#039; business they don&#039;t belong. And lately they are trying to do things that should not concern them.

Sorry -- you won&#039;t get anywhere bashing Todd for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secession is not unAmerican &#8212; it&#8217;s provided for in the Constitution&#8230; Keep the feds&#8217; nose out of the states&#8217; business they don&#8217;t belong. And lately they are trying to do things that should not concern them.</p>
<p>Sorry &#8212; you won&#8217;t get anywhere bashing Todd for that.</p>
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		<title>By: NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@grackle: They just can&#039;t stand Palin and her normal life... her success... and her refusal to capitulate to the dark underbelly of the creeps in both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@grackle: They just can&#8217;t stand Palin and her normal life&#8230; her success&#8230; and her refusal to capitulate to the dark underbelly of the creeps in both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot be serious? If  trooper is threatening someone&#039;s life, the governor has the right to fire his ass anytime she wants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no scandal there except the idiots who continue to try to make it one.

Palin&#039;s ethics are impeccable.

Troopergate -- what a joke! Keep talking as you are all making yourselves look like idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot be serious? If  trooper is threatening someone&#8217;s life, the governor has the right to fire his ass anytime she wants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no scandal there except the idiots who continue to try to make it one.</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s ethics are impeccable.</p>
<p>Troopergate &#8212; what a joke! Keep talking as you are all making yourselves look like idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: advocatusdiaboli</title>
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		<dc:creator>advocatusdiaboli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, she supervised the crafting of a universal healthcare bill for the United States. There is also her part in the passing of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act. I think these known examples constitute going pretty far.&quot;

Not the same thing--not even close. Clinton is trying to press her socialist agenda legitimately--as wrong as many of us believe it to be. Palin, on the other hand, is ethically challenged and this is the latest in a series of incidents that cause those of us who place character and service to our country above party lines  to doubt her fitness for leadership,  her ethics, and her character. Troopergate was the tip of the ice berg. There are far more ethical, intelligent, and public stewardship inclined Republicans to lead this party. I commend David for his honesty and willingness to ignore party lines for the greater good of this nation. And I don&#039;t consider a person&#039;s sexual persuasion when I consider his words, deeds, character, and loyalty to this nation--the Joint Chiefs of Staff doesn&#039;t either. The rest of you need to remember about THomas Jefferson and the separation of church and state--because your religion that is the only reason you condemn homosexuals. Is the Israeli Army godless? I am sure not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, she supervised the crafting of a universal healthcare bill for the United States. There is also her part in the passing of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act. I think these known examples constitute going pretty far.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not the same thing&#8211;not even close. Clinton is trying to press her socialist agenda legitimately&#8211;as wrong as many of us believe it to be. Palin, on the other hand, is ethically challenged and this is the latest in a series of incidents that cause those of us who place character and service to our country above party lines  to doubt her fitness for leadership,  her ethics, and her character. Troopergate was the tip of the ice berg. There are far more ethical, intelligent, and public stewardship inclined Republicans to lead this party. I commend David for his honesty and willingness to ignore party lines for the greater good of this nation. And I don&#8217;t consider a person&#8217;s sexual persuasion when I consider his words, deeds, character, and loyalty to this nation&#8211;the Joint Chiefs of Staff doesn&#8217;t either. The rest of you need to remember about THomas Jefferson and the separation of church and state&#8211;because your religion that is the only reason you condemn homosexuals. Is the Israeli Army godless? I am sure not.</p>
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