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		<title>By: Secular Right &#187; The Church of Climate Change (Again)</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-80115</link>
		<dc:creator>Secular Right &#187; The Church of Climate Change (Again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew Sullivan, I read that the FrumForum’s Andrew Gelman is unhappy about the way that “the newest way to slam a belief you disagree with — or maybe it’s not so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andrew Sullivan, I read that the FrumForum’s Andrew Gelman is unhappy about the way that “the newest way to slam a belief you disagree with — or maybe it’s not so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: advocatusdiaboli</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79355</link>
		<dc:creator>advocatusdiaboli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The extrapolation fo the term &quot;religious&quot; to apply to unwavering faith and zealousness in secular matters shouldn&#039;t bother Mr Gelman. Religion is in part an unwavering faith in the unprovable and unseen and it is that blind faith that users of the word appear to be referring to when they are applying it to others. Those who use it in that way seem to be commenting on human behavior and do not seem to be intending to disparage religion per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extrapolation fo the term &#8220;religious&#8221; to apply to unwavering faith and zealousness in secular matters shouldn&#8217;t bother Mr Gelman. Religion is in part an unwavering faith in the unprovable and unseen and it is that blind faith that users of the word appear to be referring to when they are applying it to others. Those who use it in that way seem to be commenting on human behavior and do not seem to be intending to disparage religion per se.</p>
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		<title>By: handworn</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79301</link>
		<dc:creator>handworn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, liberalism has many of the trappings of some religion itself.  Dogma, orthodoxy, guiltmongering so as to sell absolution, original sin, and analogues of theology (sociological deconstruction, for example) come to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, liberalism has many of the trappings of some religion itself.  Dogma, orthodoxy, guiltmongering so as to sell absolution, original sin, and analogues of theology (sociological deconstruction, for example) come to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: JeninCT</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79277</link>
		<dc:creator>JeninCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree COprogressive, Andrew. Please don&#039;t take it personally, but I have a religious devotion to Lindt chocolate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree COprogressive, Andrew. Please don&#8217;t take it personally, but I have a religious devotion to Lindt chocolate.</p>
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		<title>By: COProgressive</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79268</link>
		<dc:creator>COProgressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, don&#039;t be so sensitive.  Religious can be either a noun or a adjective.  I think your offence is because you think those using the term are using the noun form when they are really using it as an adjective.

Main Entry: religious
Function: noun 
Inflected Form(s): plural religious
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French religius, from religius, adjective
Date: 13th century
: a member of a religious order under monastic vows

Main Entry: 1re·li·gious 
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jəs\
Function: adjective 
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French religius, from Latin religiosus, from religio
Date: 13th century
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity &lt;a&gt; 
2 : of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances 
3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : fervent, zealous

I think you should think of what you consider &quot;The newest putdown&quot; for what it is, the adjective for &quot;relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality&quot;.

Chill out man.  No one is &quot;putting down&quot; anyone&#039;s faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, don&#8217;t be so sensitive.  Religious can be either a noun or a adjective.  I think your offence is because you think those using the term are using the noun form when they are really using it as an adjective.</p>
<p>Main Entry: religious<br />
Function: noun<br />
Inflected Form(s): plural religious<br />
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French religius, from religius, adjective<br />
Date: 13th century<br />
: a member of a religious order under monastic vows</p>
<p>Main Entry: 1re·li·gious<br />
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jəs\<br />
Function: adjective<br />
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French religius, from Latin religiosus, from religio<br />
Date: 13th century<br />
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity<br />
2 : of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances<br />
3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : fervent, zealous</p>
<p>I think you should think of what you consider &#8220;The newest putdown&#8221; for what it is, the adjective for &#8220;relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality&#8221;.</p>
<p>Chill out man.  No one is &#8220;putting down&#8221; anyone&#8217;s faith.</p>
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		<title>By: anniemargret</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79267</link>
		<dc:creator>anniemargret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moderate:  I think there is a strong need for them to recognize that the religious right in their party is a sure loser.  I think Frum is trying to address it here on this blog, although you are correct, of course, that their voices are loud and strong still.  

Yet, I think pragmatism will win the day.  As we inch closer to a major election like the presidency in 3 years I think there will be an all out &#039;war&#039; between those who understand that Rovian politics are done...caput.   The country has changed dramatically since Bush&#039;s second re-election, and while the Palinites and religious right will continue to make a lot of noise, the party leaders (not sure anymore who they are) will double down and fight this leaning.  

Americans don&#039;t want noisy negativists.  If Obama can do a dent in the unemployment stats, get a fair grip on increasing intelligence for anti-terrorism tactics, and pass some form of healthcare reform, the Republicans are going to have their work cut out for them.  

The last thing they need is more Sarah Palin and her culture wars, or have Beck/Rush speak for the party.  

Then again...I could be wrong!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moderate:  I think there is a strong need for them to recognize that the religious right in their party is a sure loser.  I think Frum is trying to address it here on this blog, although you are correct, of course, that their voices are loud and strong still.  </p>
<p>Yet, I think pragmatism will win the day.  As we inch closer to a major election like the presidency in 3 years I think there will be an all out &#8216;war&#8217; between those who understand that Rovian politics are done&#8230;caput.   The country has changed dramatically since Bush&#8217;s second re-election, and while the Palinites and religious right will continue to make a lot of noise, the party leaders (not sure anymore who they are) will double down and fight this leaning.  </p>
<p>Americans don&#8217;t want noisy negativists.  If Obama can do a dent in the unemployment stats, get a fair grip on increasing intelligence for anti-terrorism tactics, and pass some form of healthcare reform, the Republicans are going to have their work cut out for them.  </p>
<p>The last thing they need is more Sarah Palin and her culture wars, or have Beck/Rush speak for the party.  </p>
<p>Then again&#8230;I could be wrong!  <img src='http://www.frumforum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Moderate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moderate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anniemargret,

What evidence do you have that the GOP is wresting control from the Religious Right?  There may be a temporary lull in &quot;Culture Wars&quot; - because we&#039;re in a recession and people would rather whine about jobs - but the GOP is doubling down on hard-right conservatism as a strategy.

When I see the GOP promote candidates like Mike Castle, Mark Kirk, and Charlie Crist with similar zeal as they do the Tea Crew, then I&#039;ll believe they&#039;re changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anniemargret,</p>
<p>What evidence do you have that the GOP is wresting control from the Religious Right?  There may be a temporary lull in &#8220;Culture Wars&#8221; &#8211; because we&#8217;re in a recession and people would rather whine about jobs &#8211; but the GOP is doubling down on hard-right conservatism as a strategy.</p>
<p>When I see the GOP promote candidates like Mike Castle, Mark Kirk, and Charlie Crist with similar zeal as they do the Tea Crew, then I&#8217;ll believe they&#8217;re changing.</p>
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		<title>By: anniemargret</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-newest-put-down/comment-page-1#comment-79257</link>
		<dc:creator>anniemargret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there are those that still use the term, &#039;schizophrenic&#039; incorrectly.  It has nothing to do with being two-faced.  

But to your essay.   You are correct of course.  There is an hysteria across this nation about religion that in better times should not be happening.   The use of the term, &#039;religious&#039; in many instances is denigrating in its use.  

I find myself in a complex uneasy situation, and I have a feeling I am not alone.  I am still &#039;religious&#039; in the sense that I still believe in God, in a Creator, a Divine Presence, the Source, etc...   I still pray for guidance and clarity of thought.   I still the majority of religious people in our country are good people, doing good things.   

Religion as a political force however, is something else.  The religious right within the GOP for a long time held the reins for that party, and I see now that they are trying to wrench free from it.   That is a good thing.  There is a reason, as wise one, that the Founding Fathers, wanted separation of church and state.  The Karl Rove tactics of courting the religious right is finally dying a natural death.  People don&#039;t want to be forced against their will by threats of damnation, etc...   

However, there is another swing to demonize all religious people as nutters, or weak.  Some of the greatest minds and intelligences on this earth are people who believe in God.   But believing and working with a purpose, following Christ&#039;s teachings, doing good when and where you can, is a far cry from throwing other religions under the boot, or demonizing people who are agnostics or atheists.  

We have to grow up in this country.   We will never be the land of the free and the home of the brave is we cannot learn to respect and tolerate (we don&#039;t always have to understand) other&#039;s beliefs or non-beliefs.   There is nothing wrong with the word, &#039;religious&#039; - it simply means a person is conscientious and earnest.  

But it can border on fanaticism.   We can tackle the problems this country has without making anyone feel less important, or less useful, in the &#039;right&#039; or &#039;wrong&#039; religion, or &#039;unchurched&#039; etc...   Beliefnet is a site, I think, that uses religion as a guiding principle....but often allies with politics.   Dangerous stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are those that still use the term, &#8217;schizophrenic&#8217; incorrectly.  It has nothing to do with being two-faced.  </p>
<p>But to your essay.   You are correct of course.  There is an hysteria across this nation about religion that in better times should not be happening.   The use of the term, &#8216;religious&#8217; in many instances is denigrating in its use.  </p>
<p>I find myself in a complex uneasy situation, and I have a feeling I am not alone.  I am still &#8216;religious&#8217; in the sense that I still believe in God, in a Creator, a Divine Presence, the Source, etc&#8230;   I still pray for guidance and clarity of thought.   I still the majority of religious people in our country are good people, doing good things.   </p>
<p>Religion as a political force however, is something else.  The religious right within the GOP for a long time held the reins for that party, and I see now that they are trying to wrench free from it.   That is a good thing.  There is a reason, as wise one, that the Founding Fathers, wanted separation of church and state.  The Karl Rove tactics of courting the religious right is finally dying a natural death.  People don&#8217;t want to be forced against their will by threats of damnation, etc&#8230;   </p>
<p>However, there is another swing to demonize all religious people as nutters, or weak.  Some of the greatest minds and intelligences on this earth are people who believe in God.   But believing and working with a purpose, following Christ&#8217;s teachings, doing good when and where you can, is a far cry from throwing other religions under the boot, or demonizing people who are agnostics or atheists.  </p>
<p>We have to grow up in this country.   We will never be the land of the free and the home of the brave is we cannot learn to respect and tolerate (we don&#8217;t always have to understand) other&#8217;s beliefs or non-beliefs.   There is nothing wrong with the word, &#8216;religious&#8217; &#8211; it simply means a person is conscientious and earnest.  </p>
<p>But it can border on fanaticism.   We can tackle the problems this country has without making anyone feel less important, or less useful, in the &#8216;right&#8217; or &#8216;wrong&#8217; religion, or &#8216;unchurched&#8217; etc&#8230;   Beliefnet is a site, I think, that uses religion as a guiding principle&#8230;.but often allies with politics.   Dangerous stuff.</p>
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