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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault // Dec 11, 2009 at 10:15 pm

 &quot;You sir, are still a scoundrel and a liar.&quot;

............this guy really is a nasty piece of work.......he has only one mode of communication and that is ranting and name calling and it&#039;s a mode he&#039;s clearly incapable of varying whatever the topic......given his personal circumstances he&#039;s fortunate that other posters here seem better able to control their emotions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault // Dec 11, 2009 at 10:15 pm</p>
<p> &#8220;You sir, are still a scoundrel and a liar.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;this guy really is a nasty piece of work&#8230;&#8230;.he has only one mode of communication and that is ranting and name calling and it&#8217;s a mode he&#8217;s clearly incapable of varying whatever the topic&#8230;&#8230;given his personal circumstances he&#8217;s fortunate that other posters here seem better able to control their emotions</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-new-legal-drug-culture/comment-page-3#comment-76938</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;And by keeping the penalties strong, society sends a strong message to youth that left-wing rebellion won’t be tolerated.&lt;/b&gt;

Yeah, I was once listening to Rush and hearing him state that a culture that tolerated pot wasn&#039;t acceptable because nobody would be willing to fight in wars anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by keeping the penalties strong, society sends a strong message to youth that left-wing rebellion won’t be tolerated.</p>
<p>Yeah, I was once listening to Rush and hearing him state that a culture that tolerated pot wasn&#8217;t acceptable because nobody would be willing to fight in wars anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault: &lt;blockquote&gt; And one of the worst things about our war on drugs, imo, is that a relatively benign drug like marjiuana is illegal &lt;/blockquote&gt;
The worst thing about the War on Drugs, is that how society treats these drugs (which are legal, how severe are the penalties for the illicit ones) bears almost no correlation to what modern medical science has discovered about these drugs.

Instead, society sets the penalties to make various social statements.  Robert Bork, in his book &quot;Slouching Toward Gomorrah,&quot; says that the penalties against marijuana must remain strong, because marijuana has always been the symbol of left-wing rebellion by youth.  And by keeping the penalties strong, society sends a strong message to youth that left-wing rebellion won&#039;t be tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault:  And one of the worst things about our war on drugs, imo, is that a relatively benign drug like marjiuana is illegal<br />
The worst thing about the War on Drugs, is that how society treats these drugs (which are legal, how severe are the penalties for the illicit ones) bears almost no correlation to what modern medical science has discovered about these drugs.</p>
<p>Instead, society sets the penalties to make various social statements.  Robert Bork, in his book &#8220;Slouching Toward Gomorrah,&#8221; says that the penalties against marijuana must remain strong, because marijuana has always been the symbol of left-wing rebellion by youth.  And by keeping the penalties strong, society sends a strong message to youth that left-wing rebellion won&#8217;t be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-new-legal-drug-culture/comment-page-3#comment-76916</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;You’ve written here, right alongside your TrollTribe saddle buddie OttoBS’er that you aren’t religious and don’t believe in organized religion&lt;/b&gt;

You sir, are still a scoundrel and a liar.  I have not written that I am not religious.  I don&#039;t believe in dogmatic religions, since I believe dogma to be created by man.  That is not the same as not being religious.  

And I have never posted under another name here, so your continuing attempts to conflate multiple posters, despite my advice that you take this up with Frum, just makes you an abject coward.

I believe that the Catholic Church is all about its dogma.  If you don&#039;t want to embrace the dogma of the Church, I don&#039;t understand why you would want to continue to belong to it.  That is most certainly the reason I am no longer a Catholic ... I was just honest enough to say that if I didn&#039;t believe the teachings of the Church, I should leave it - rather than continuing to remain a Catholic while intentionally engaging in behavior that the Church believes a serious sin.

The Catholic Church has always been very clear on their linkage of sex and procreation.  Per Papal Encyclicals, sex which is done in a way to dislink it from the miracle of procreation is demeaning to all involved.  This is why the rejection of the use of birth control, and along with biblical passages condemning homosexuality, this is also a reason for the rejection of active homosexuality.   One can ask &quot;what about a sterile woman, an infertile man, an older couple&quot;.   As the story of Abraham and Sarah tells us, God can overcome all of those obstacles.

I have provided you with passages from the highest levels of the Church itself which states that worship (rather than veneration, which you do not seem to be able to grasp the difference between) of anything but God Himself is a violation of the First Commandment.

As such, it is you, accusing fellow Catholics of heresy and apostacy, who are a bigot, sir.

And I am not agnostic.  I am a deist.

Your ignorance is surpassed only by your belligerence.

I&#039;d encourage you to come visit your local Unitarian Universalist Church, if you are at odds with the Catholic Catechism.   Perhaps not having the stress of being at odds with your own faith will help you find peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’ve written here, right alongside your TrollTribe saddle buddie OttoBS’er that you aren’t religious and don’t believe in organized religion</p>
<p>You sir, are still a scoundrel and a liar.  I have not written that I am not religious.  I don&#8217;t believe in dogmatic religions, since I believe dogma to be created by man.  That is not the same as not being religious.  </p>
<p>And I have never posted under another name here, so your continuing attempts to conflate multiple posters, despite my advice that you take this up with Frum, just makes you an abject coward.</p>
<p>I believe that the Catholic Church is all about its dogma.  If you don&#8217;t want to embrace the dogma of the Church, I don&#8217;t understand why you would want to continue to belong to it.  That is most certainly the reason I am no longer a Catholic &#8230; I was just honest enough to say that if I didn&#8217;t believe the teachings of the Church, I should leave it &#8211; rather than continuing to remain a Catholic while intentionally engaging in behavior that the Church believes a serious sin.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church has always been very clear on their linkage of sex and procreation.  Per Papal Encyclicals, sex which is done in a way to dislink it from the miracle of procreation is demeaning to all involved.  This is why the rejection of the use of birth control, and along with biblical passages condemning homosexuality, this is also a reason for the rejection of active homosexuality.   One can ask &#8220;what about a sterile woman, an infertile man, an older couple&#8221;.   As the story of Abraham and Sarah tells us, God can overcome all of those obstacles.</p>
<p>I have provided you with passages from the highest levels of the Church itself which states that worship (rather than veneration, which you do not seem to be able to grasp the difference between) of anything but God Himself is a violation of the First Commandment.</p>
<p>As such, it is you, accusing fellow Catholics of heresy and apostacy, who are a bigot, sir.</p>
<p>And I am not agnostic.  I am a deist.</p>
<p>Your ignorance is surpassed only by your belligerence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d encourage you to come visit your local Unitarian Universalist Church, if you are at odds with the Catholic Catechism.   Perhaps not having the stress of being at odds with your own faith will help you find peace.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;previously, in claiming that Catholics worshipped statues and relics &quot;... right and you shut up quickly when I pointed out that at Lourdes, Craigh na Patrick, Calcutta Center and hundreds of other religious sites in the world, good Roman Catholic faithful worship the both statutes and venerate relics of the saints.  And priests and Bishops are right alongside.

Of course, back then when you advanced that line, you were anti-religion and peddling that special democrat core value of bigotry toward all who actually believe in God.  Now, you&#039;re just an agnostic unitarian --right.  We can believe that one too?

I didn&#039;t think we&#039;d find someone more comfortable telling lies than OttoBS&#039;er on the far Left.  You might have eclipsed him, BlankHead.  Good show, ol&#039; sport??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;previously, in claiming that Catholics worshipped statues and relics &#8220;&#8230; right and you shut up quickly when I pointed out that at Lourdes, Craigh na Patrick, Calcutta Center and hundreds of other religious sites in the world, good Roman Catholic faithful worship the both statutes and venerate relics of the saints.  And priests and Bishops are right alongside.</p>
<p>Of course, back then when you advanced that line, you were anti-religion and peddling that special democrat core value of bigotry toward all who actually believe in God.  Now, you&#8217;re just an agnostic unitarian &#8211;right.  We can believe that one too?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think we&#8217;d find someone more comfortable telling lies than OttoBS&#8217;er on the far Left.  You might have eclipsed him, BlankHead.  Good show, ol&#8217; sport??</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I wrote, BlankHead:

Bigot. Catholic bigot and a baiter. Shame on you, BlankHead.

And now we can add Liar to the conviction.  You&#039;ve written here, right alongside your TrollTribe saddle buddie OttoBS&#039;er that you aren&#039;t religious and don&#039;t believe in organized religion... and you&#039;ve posted under BarryS name and others that you have contempt for &quot;religionists&quot;.

Bigot.  Baiter.  Liar.  What a load for someone of such short mental stature, BlankHead.  At least keep the multiple names you post under clear on their antagonism toward religion, will you.

For now, you can keep Bigot.  Baiter.  Liar.   And you don&#039;t need to check PoliFact to learn of your new found, gutter level status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I wrote, BlankHead:</p>
<p>Bigot. Catholic bigot and a baiter. Shame on you, BlankHead.</p>
<p>And now we can add Liar to the conviction.  You&#8217;ve written here, right alongside your TrollTribe saddle buddie OttoBS&#8217;er that you aren&#8217;t religious and don&#8217;t believe in organized religion&#8230; and you&#8217;ve posted under BarryS name and others that you have contempt for &#8220;religionists&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bigot.  Baiter.  Liar.  What a load for someone of such short mental stature, BlankHead.  At least keep the multiple names you post under clear on their antagonism toward religion, will you.</p>
<p>For now, you can keep Bigot.  Baiter.  Liar.   And you don&#8217;t need to check PoliFact to learn of your new found, gutter level status.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;My congregation has said Welcome. My children have been baptized and attend the parish school. My marriage has been blessed by the parish priest and the new Bishop. What’s your congregation say.&lt;/b&gt;

You&#039;re lucky to live in a liberal community like Ann Arbor.

The congregation where I grew up, went to in the parish school, and was an altar boy, and where my mother still attends church, would certainly baptize children of a gay couple, since a child should not face damnation for the sins of its guardians ... but would also deny you communion as long as you continued to practice homosexuality.  Then again, San Antonio is the hometown for John Hagee - not exactly the most theologically tolerant place you&#039;ll find.

The Unitarian Universalist Church I go to in Austin would welcome you, however!

Interestingly, this is the second time I find you at complete odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church - previously, in claiming that Catholics worshipped statues and relics (something that the Church considers apostacy), and now this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My congregation has said Welcome. My children have been baptized and attend the parish school. My marriage has been blessed by the parish priest and the new Bishop. What’s your congregation say.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re lucky to live in a liberal community like Ann Arbor.</p>
<p>The congregation where I grew up, went to in the parish school, and was an altar boy, and where my mother still attends church, would certainly baptize children of a gay couple, since a child should not face damnation for the sins of its guardians &#8230; but would also deny you communion as long as you continued to practice homosexuality.  Then again, San Antonio is the hometown for John Hagee &#8211; not exactly the most theologically tolerant place you&#8217;ll find.</p>
<p>The Unitarian Universalist Church I go to in Austin would welcome you, however!</p>
<p>Interestingly, this is the second time I find you at complete odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church &#8211; previously, in claiming that Catholics worshipped statues and relics (something that the Church considers apostacy), and now this.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault // Dec 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm

&quot;btw – not a pot user myself, never have been … but seriously believe that the inclusion of pot in the war on drugs has been a very economically disruptive mistake&quot;

......never inhaled?......I took a couple of drags when I was a student but it made me so sick I was immune ever thereafter even when mountains of bad stuff were readily available.........the entire war on drugs is an economically disruptive mistake and it costs us 60 billion a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balconesfault // Dec 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;btw – not a pot user myself, never have been … but seriously believe that the inclusion of pot in the war on drugs has been a very economically disruptive mistake&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;never inhaled?&#8230;&#8230;I took a couple of drags when I was a student but it made me so sick I was immune ever thereafter even when mountains of bad stuff were readily available&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;the entire war on drugs is an economically disruptive mistake and it costs us 60 billion a year.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MI-GOPer // Dec 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm

 &quot;My family has been created by my partner’s and my force of wills. No former wife, no former wives. Gay men can have families,&quot;

.......Good for you......I&#039;m afraid the limit of my experience of gay families is two girls with an adopted child......as I keep telling you gopher my milieu is upper middle class Republican where most of them think homosexuality can be &quot;cured&quot;.......what&#039;s more of mystery to me and I&#039;m being entirely serious if you can get out of rant mode for a while is why you feel at home in a movement that is basically deeply antipathetic to homosexuality......I asked this question of a couple of gay friends of my son in law but didn&#039;t really get a satisfactory answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MI-GOPer // Dec 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm</p>
<p> &#8220;My family has been created by my partner’s and my force of wills. No former wife, no former wives. Gay men can have families,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.Good for you&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m afraid the limit of my experience of gay families is two girls with an adopted child&#8230;&#8230;as I keep telling you gopher my milieu is upper middle class Republican where most of them think homosexuality can be &#8220;cured&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.what&#8217;s more of mystery to me and I&#8217;m being entirely serious if you can get out of rant mode for a while is why you feel at home in a movement that is basically deeply antipathetic to homosexuality&#8230;&#8230;I asked this question of a couple of gay friends of my son in law but didn&#8217;t really get a satisfactory answer</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlankHead tries the old standard far Left democrat trick of let&#039;s &quot;bait&quot; the Roman Catholic gay man with &quot;What does the Catholic Church say about practicing gays in their congregations?&quot;

My congregation has said Welcome.  My children have been baptized and attend the parish school.  My marriage has been blessed by the parish priest and the new Bishop.  What&#039;s your congregation say, BlankHead.

Oh, that&#039;s right, you&#039;re anti-religion secular humanist who presupposes his moral compass is always pointing in the correct direction.

Bigot.  Catholic bigot and a baiter.  Shame on you, BlankHead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlankHead tries the old standard far Left democrat trick of let&#8217;s &#8220;bait&#8221; the Roman Catholic gay man with &#8220;What does the Catholic Church say about practicing gays in their congregations?&#8221;</p>
<p>My congregation has said Welcome.  My children have been baptized and attend the parish school.  My marriage has been blessed by the parish priest and the new Bishop.  What&#8217;s your congregation say, BlankHead.</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right, you&#8217;re anti-religion secular humanist who presupposes his moral compass is always pointing in the correct direction.</p>
<p>Bigot.  Catholic bigot and a baiter.  Shame on you, BlankHead.</p>
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