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		<title>By: msmilack</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-james-okeefe-arrest/comment-page-2#comment-81165</link>
		<dc:creator>msmilack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record: the judge did not sentence O&#039;Keefe to live with his parents -- O&#039;Keefe already lives with them -- the document from which that erroneous report showed up on the internet derives from a document O&#039;Keefe had to sign to get out of his red jail jumpsuit to be released from custody in New Orleans. In addition, he had to agree not to travel outside the country; not to converse with the other defendants (unless related to work); to be reachable by phone; and to adhere to the gag order. He violated the last order last night by tweeting about the case. Since that act alone can increase the legal charges against him and he is fully aware of that, I have to wonder if being rearrested is his aspiration. Perhaps he hopes to trade his humiliation for martyrdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record: the judge did not sentence O&#8217;Keefe to live with his parents &#8212; O&#8217;Keefe already lives with them &#8212; the document from which that erroneous report showed up on the internet derives from a document O&#8217;Keefe had to sign to get out of his red jail jumpsuit to be released from custody in New Orleans. In addition, he had to agree not to travel outside the country; not to converse with the other defendants (unless related to work); to be reachable by phone; and to adhere to the gag order. He violated the last order last night by tweeting about the case. Since that act alone can increase the legal charges against him and he is fully aware of that, I have to wonder if being rearrested is his aspiration. Perhaps he hopes to trade his humiliation for martyrdom.</p>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Keefe Did Not Wiretap! &#171; Fellowship of the Minds</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-james-okeefe-arrest/comment-page-2#comment-81164</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Keefe Did Not Wiretap! &#171; Fellowship of the Minds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] journalist David Frum predicts that “the James O’Keefe/Landrieu phone interference case will be resolved with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: andydp</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-james-okeefe-arrest/comment-page-2#comment-81151</link>
		<dc:creator>andydp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOProud:  The &quot;rent a cops&quot; at Federal Buildings are actually part of the Federal Protective Service - are licensed to carry firearms and are basically US &quot;police&quot;.  In no way should they be equated with a &quot;mall cop&quot;.

YOU may not think its a crime but the US Attorney does.  In speaking of this incident, Michelle Malkin &quot;warned&quot; would be reporters to &quot;know their limits and the law&quot;. Like I said, would you still think it was a high school level &quot;journalism hijinks&quot; if they had done the exact same thing in Mr Steele&#039;s office ?  (Actually, images of Inspector Cluseau asking to check your telephone come to mind)

As for lawyering up and delaying the outcomes.  In case you forgot the Constitution, everyone has a right to a lawyer even Gov Palin&#039;s alleged e-mail hacker and the alleged perpetrators of this &quot;high school journalism hijinks&quot;.  You may want to ask yourself where the people involved (Gov Palin hacker/the HS Journalists) are getting the money to pay for the &quot;Washington insider lawyers&quot;.

If the Senator was avoiding talking to her constituents claiming phone troubles that&#039;s her problem.  She&#039;s up for re election. If you don&#039;t like the $ 300 million LA Purchase, just remember the $ 250 million bridge to nowhere money Gov Palin didn&#039;t send back.  In this case the $ 300 Mil was never received.  I still have to ask:  If President McCain had allocated the money would you still feel the same ?  Would you still feel it was  a &quot;HS Journalism hijink&quot; if it was Michael Steele&#039;s office they were entering ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOProud:  The &#8220;rent a cops&#8221; at Federal Buildings are actually part of the Federal Protective Service &#8211; are licensed to carry firearms and are basically US &#8220;police&#8221;.  In no way should they be equated with a &#8220;mall cop&#8221;.</p>
<p>YOU may not think its a crime but the US Attorney does.  In speaking of this incident, Michelle Malkin &#8220;warned&#8221; would be reporters to &#8220;know their limits and the law&#8221;. Like I said, would you still think it was a high school level &#8220;journalism hijinks&#8221; if they had done the exact same thing in Mr Steele&#8217;s office ?  (Actually, images of Inspector Cluseau asking to check your telephone come to mind)</p>
<p>As for lawyering up and delaying the outcomes.  In case you forgot the Constitution, everyone has a right to a lawyer even Gov Palin&#8217;s alleged e-mail hacker and the alleged perpetrators of this &#8220;high school journalism hijinks&#8221;.  You may want to ask yourself where the people involved (Gov Palin hacker/the HS Journalists) are getting the money to pay for the &#8220;Washington insider lawyers&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the Senator was avoiding talking to her constituents claiming phone troubles that&#8217;s her problem.  She&#8217;s up for re election. If you don&#8217;t like the $ 300 million LA Purchase, just remember the $ 250 million bridge to nowhere money Gov Palin didn&#8217;t send back.  In this case the $ 300 Mil was never received.  I still have to ask:  If President McCain had allocated the money would you still feel the same ?  Would you still feel it was  a &#8220;HS Journalism hijink&#8221; if it was Michael Steele&#8217;s office they were entering ?</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - newest news.

Judge sentences O&#039;Keefe to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2010/01/james-okeefes-conditions-of-release.php?page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;live with his parents &lt;/a&gt;until his trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; newest news.</p>
<p>Judge sentences O&#8217;Keefe to live with his parents until his trial.</p>
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		<title>By: LauraNo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOProud, No I don&#039;t. Furthermore, I had never heard of them until GOP got a hard-on about them. But it seems to me, in order for someone to give illegal legal advice, they&#039;d have to be legal advisers or at least some kind of executive. The whole organization was accused of giving illegal advice when as far as I know, it was a few low-paid, uninformed employees who said we-don&#039;t-know-what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOProud, No I don&#8217;t. Furthermore, I had never heard of them until GOP got a hard-on about them. But it seems to me, in order for someone to give illegal legal advice, they&#8217;d have to be legal advisers or at least some kind of executive. The whole organization was accused of giving illegal advice when as far as I know, it was a few low-paid, uninformed employees who said we-don&#8217;t-know-what.</p>
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		<title>By: GOProud</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOProud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AndyDP, you may think it a crime... the rent-a-cops guarding the building may think it a crime... heck, even the swindler Senator &quot;Louisiana Purchase&quot; Landrieu may need it to be a crime for campaign purposes... but entering a federal building (or a federal office inside a federal building) during regular business hours is NOT a crime.  Lifting up receivers to see if the phone lines are actually working and Sen Landrieu&#039;s well documented attempt to avoid public scorn and take a few calls by claiming the lines are &quot;overloaded&quot;, &quot;on the fritz&quot;, &quot;ringing off the hook&quot; as she has claimed on LA radio call-in programs... it all seems rather innocently NOT a crime.

But then, if federal prosecutors decide to make a case against a high-school drama club quality journalism highjink, I&#039;m guessing a crime or violation can be found, the language of the law stretched and an indictment brought forward.  Innocent or not, under those conditions people are wise to cut their losses, plead, pay the fine and move on --even if innocent.

Like Scooter Libby did.  

Or you can drag out the fight, have the Democrats hire you a high-paid Washington-insider law firm to drag out a case of say... oh... multiple indictments on hacking into Gov Palin&#039;s private email account.  Yeah, that&#039;s the better way to go... especially if you&#039;re counting on Eric Holder to spring you like he hopes to do for the Manhattan terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AndyDP, you may think it a crime&#8230; the rent-a-cops guarding the building may think it a crime&#8230; heck, even the swindler Senator &#8220;Louisiana Purchase&#8221; Landrieu may need it to be a crime for campaign purposes&#8230; but entering a federal building (or a federal office inside a federal building) during regular business hours is NOT a crime.  Lifting up receivers to see if the phone lines are actually working and Sen Landrieu&#8217;s well documented attempt to avoid public scorn and take a few calls by claiming the lines are &#8220;overloaded&#8221;, &#8220;on the fritz&#8221;, &#8220;ringing off the hook&#8221; as she has claimed on LA radio call-in programs&#8230; it all seems rather innocently NOT a crime.</p>
<p>But then, if federal prosecutors decide to make a case against a high-school drama club quality journalism highjink, I&#8217;m guessing a crime or violation can be found, the language of the law stretched and an indictment brought forward.  Innocent or not, under those conditions people are wise to cut their losses, plead, pay the fine and move on &#8211;even if innocent.</p>
<p>Like Scooter Libby did.  </p>
<p>Or you can drag out the fight, have the Democrats hire you a high-paid Washington-insider law firm to drag out a case of say&#8230; oh&#8230; multiple indictments on hacking into Gov Palin&#8217;s private email account.  Yeah, that&#8217;s the better way to go&#8230; especially if you&#8217;re counting on Eric Holder to spring you like he hopes to do for the Manhattan terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Keefe and Crisis Management, Crisis Public Relations &#124; Public Relations Firm PR Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>James O'Keefe and Crisis Management, Crisis Public Relations &#124; Public Relations Firm PR Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been accompanied by extreme helpings of gloating by many opponents, including ACORN itself.  Quite a bit has been said about the stupid incident, but not so much about how the accused (or his lawyer) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been accompanied by extreme helpings of gloating by many opponents, including ACORN itself.  Quite a bit has been said about the stupid incident, but not so much about how the accused (or his lawyer) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LauraNo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...even stupider ACORN goons to go on record advising how to engage in tax fraud, criminal prostitution, child endangerment, etc.
This sounds like libel to me. Are these established facts? ACORN actually advised (filled out forms, filed something, etc). My understanding is, a few low level employees said something. But without the unedited tapes, I guess we&#039;ll never know what that something was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;even stupider ACORN goons to go on record advising how to engage in tax fraud, criminal prostitution, child endangerment, etc.<br />
This sounds like libel to me. Are these established facts? ACORN actually advised (filled out forms, filed something, etc). My understanding is, a few low level employees said something. But without the unedited tapes, I guess we&#8217;ll never know what that something was.</p>
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		<title>By: andydp</title>
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		<dc:creator>andydp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK let&#039;s just look at reality: four adults (21+ years old) allegedly enter a FEDERAL building under false pretenses and (according to the indictment) &quot;tampered&quot; with the US Government  owned phone system.  ALL these actions are considered crimes.

I like to play a game when people start &quot;defending&quot; any alleged perpetrators.  Its called change one fact:   change &quot;Sen Landrieu&#039;s Office&quot; to &quot;Michael Steele&#039;s Office&quot;.  Still feel the same way ?

Liberal, left leaning media or not; any way you slice it its a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK let&#8217;s just look at reality: four adults (21+ years old) allegedly enter a FEDERAL building under false pretenses and (according to the indictment) &#8220;tampered&#8221; with the US Government  owned phone system.  ALL these actions are considered crimes.</p>
<p>I like to play a game when people start &#8220;defending&#8221; any alleged perpetrators.  Its called change one fact:   change &#8220;Sen Landrieu&#8217;s Office&#8221; to &#8220;Michael Steele&#8217;s Office&#8221;.  Still feel the same way ?</p>
<p>Liberal, left leaning media or not; any way you slice it its a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: GOProud</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOProud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you need to use a spray gun to throw that much stuff against the wall at once?&quot;

Nope, just the truth.  Unlike Obama and you, balconesfault, I don&#039;t need to run from the truth.  ACORN discredits ACORN.  Harshbarger, an ACORN hireling and Democrat toad, discredits himself in trying to advance his defense of ACORN as an &quot;independent investigation&quot;.

That&#039;s like saying Obama is a uniter, not a divider.  Oooops, my bad.

It will turn out that these guys did nothing of a serious criminal nature.  Stupid?  Sure.  But that&#039;s how they got the even stupider ACORN goons to go on record advising how to engage in tax fraud, criminal prostitution, child endangerment, etc.

It was so discredited that Congress yanked their funding.  Too bad Bush didn&#039;t do it sooner with some indictments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you need to use a spray gun to throw that much stuff against the wall at once?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, just the truth.  Unlike Obama and you, balconesfault, I don&#8217;t need to run from the truth.  ACORN discredits ACORN.  Harshbarger, an ACORN hireling and Democrat toad, discredits himself in trying to advance his defense of ACORN as an &#8220;independent investigation&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying Obama is a uniter, not a divider.  Oooops, my bad.</p>
<p>It will turn out that these guys did nothing of a serious criminal nature.  Stupid?  Sure.  But that&#8217;s how they got the even stupider ACORN goons to go on record advising how to engage in tax fraud, criminal prostitution, child endangerment, etc.</p>
<p>It was so discredited that Congress yanked their funding.  Too bad Bush didn&#8217;t do it sooner with some indictments.</p>
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