Comments on: The Gop’s Winning Streak http://www.frumforum.com/the-gops-winning-streak Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/the-gops-winning-streak/comment-page-1#comment-46414 JJWFromME Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:19:01 +0000 #comment-46414 (Wish there was HTML, or at least carriage return on this thing...) (Wish there was HTML, or at least carriage return on this thing…)

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/the-gops-winning-streak/comment-page-1#comment-52833 JJWFromME Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:43:59 +0000 #comment-52833 Here's a quote from Dick Cheney: "To the extent that the Constitution and laws are read narrowly, as Jefferson wished, the Chief Executive will on occasion feel duty bound to assert monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit him to exceed the law." http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2008093714/letat-cest-moi ...It seems to me that these sorts of things deserve attention first, before you think about winning elections. Winning elections seem to occupy Republicans attention a lot--governing, not so much. Otherwise, why would you have nominated and gotten elected Dick Cheney and George W. Bush? Here’s a quote from Dick Cheney: “To the extent that the Constitution and laws are read narrowly, as Jefferson wished, the Chief Executive will on occasion feel duty bound to assert monarchical notions of prerogative that will permit him to exceed the law.” http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2008093714/letat-cest-moi
…It seems to me that these sorts of things deserve attention first, before you think about winning elections. Winning elections seem to occupy Republicans attention a lot–governing, not so much. Otherwise, why would you have nominated and gotten elected Dick Cheney and George W. Bush?

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/the-gops-winning-streak/comment-page-1#comment-50591 JJWFromME Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:36:40 +0000 #comment-50591 hat I'm saying is that you don't have to have a bust of Voltaire on your mantle, the way Jefferson did. But did you have to roll the clock back to the autocrats, who were around when no one had any clocks? It seems like lately, you guys are the "heirs" of 18th century European autocrats. I think us "Jacksonians" would be much less that way if we had a public sphere where the GOP acted less like "L'tat c'est Moi": http://tinyurl.com/progressivehistorians hat I’m saying is that you don’t have to have a bust of Voltaire on your mantle, the way Jefferson did. But did you have to roll the clock back to the autocrats, who were around when no one had any clocks? It seems like lately, you guys are the “heirs” of 18th century European autocrats. I think us “Jacksonians” would be much less that way if we had a public sphere where the GOP acted less like “L’tat c’est Moi”: http://tinyurl.com/progressivehistorians

]]> By: JJWFromME http://www.frumforum.com/the-gops-winning-streak/comment-page-1#comment-42647 JJWFromME Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:32:56 +0000 #comment-42647 Thanks for your post, Professor Guelzo. You wrote: "Although the Democratic party traces its roots to Thomas Jefferson and the critical election of 1800, the Democratic party as we know it today is as much the heir of Andrew Jackson in the 1820s as it is Jefferson." I was curious if you've ever read this from Ron Suskind: "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'" http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/149156.php Thanks for your post, Professor Guelzo. You wrote:

“Although the Democratic party traces its roots to Thomas Jefferson and the critical election of 1800, the Democratic party as we know it today is as much the heir of Andrew Jackson in the 1820s as it is Jefferson.”

I was curious if you’ve ever read this from Ron Suskind: “The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’” http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/149156.php

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