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		<title>By: Rabiner</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-130063</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Author fails to mention why this occurred in his article:

&quot;In April, as Senators John Kerry (D-MA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) were about to unveil their bi-partisan bill, Reid blindsided the trio by suggesting that he wanted to put climate on hold and move immigration reform to the top of the agenda.&quot;

It wasn&#039;t Reid who put immigration at the top of the agenda, it was Arizona passing a ridiculous law that did that for him. Also you mention 2 bipartisan bills that only have 1 Republican co-sponsor but zero leadership support from Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Author fails to mention why this occurred in his article:</p>
<p>&#8220;In April, as Senators John Kerry (D-MA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) were about to unveil their bi-partisan bill, Reid blindsided the trio by suggesting that he wanted to put climate on hold and move immigration reform to the top of the agenda.&#8221;</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t Reid who put immigration at the top of the agenda, it was Arizona passing a ridiculous law that did that for him. Also you mention 2 bipartisan bills that only have 1 Republican co-sponsor but zero leadership support from Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldskool</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-130052</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldskool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What kind of leadership is that?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Considering all the major pieces of legislation passed in his first 18 months, it&#039;s better than we&#039;ve seen in decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of leadership is that?<br />
Considering all the major pieces of legislation passed in his first 18 months, it&#8217;s better than we&#8217;ve seen in decades.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-130039</link>
		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;After all, you got Limbaugh and the other right wing talking heads still mocking climate change, as if they all have Ph.Ds in atmospheric science. &lt;/i&gt;

Well, if by PhD you mean Pin Headed Dufus, then Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Levin, etc. all certainly qualify.  And judging from their shticks, they appear to be passing on their lack of knowledge to others quite fervently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all, you got Limbaugh and the other right wing talking heads still mocking climate change, as if they all have Ph.Ds in atmospheric science. </p>
<p>Well, if by PhD you mean Pin Headed Dufus, then Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, Levin, etc. all certainly qualify.  And judging from their shticks, they appear to be passing on their lack of knowledge to others quite fervently.</p>
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		<title>By: anniemargret</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129973</link>
		<dc:creator>anniemargret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way this country is going to wake up is when other nations lead the pack and we are left wiping the dust from our collective eyes.  After all, you got Limbaugh and the other right wing talking heads still mocking climate change, as if they all have Ph.Ds in atmospheric science.  

The GOP will never admit to climate change or renewable green energy for this nation.  It will be up to the Democrats to insist on leading the way, however formidable the road is towards it.   

Remember - it wasn&#039;t until Russia put Yuri Gagarin into space that Kennedy inspired Americans with the &#039;first on the moon&#039; space race.  Republicans are like ostriches...they still got their heads in the sands.   We need progressives in DC from here on in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way this country is going to wake up is when other nations lead the pack and we are left wiping the dust from our collective eyes.  After all, you got Limbaugh and the other right wing talking heads still mocking climate change, as if they all have Ph.Ds in atmospheric science.  </p>
<p>The GOP will never admit to climate change or renewable green energy for this nation.  It will be up to the Democrats to insist on leading the way, however formidable the road is towards it.   </p>
<p>Remember &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t until Russia put Yuri Gagarin into space that Kennedy inspired Americans with the &#8216;first on the moon&#8217; space race.  Republicans are like ostriches&#8230;they still got their heads in the sands.   We need progressives in DC from here on in.</p>
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		<title>By: JJWFromME</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129943</link>
		<dc:creator>JJWFromME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India has an interest as well:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50014</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India has an interest as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50014" rel="nofollow">http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=50014</a></p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129936</link>
		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJWFromME, looks like it&#039;s time for China to put some serious research cash into desalination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJWFromME, looks like it&#8217;s time for China to put some serious research cash into desalination.</p>
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		<title>By: JJWFromME</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129932</link>
		<dc:creator>JJWFromME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, China has considerable interests at stake:

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100713/full/466308a.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, China has considerable interests at stake:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100713/full/466308a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100713/full/466308a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJWFromME</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129925</link>
		<dc:creator>JJWFromME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That argument suffered a big blow when President Obama could not convince China and India to cap their carbon emissions.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s an especially hard negotiation &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/why-should-us-join-kyoto.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;since we&#039;ve been polluting for a lot longer&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#039;re supposed to be a city on a hill--a leader, not a follower. The sooner we incentivize and develop the technology, for us and the rest of the world, the better. 

Also, surely if we don&#039;t curb our emissions, expect to see significant tariffs on our products, and probably trade wars (although there will probably be a lot of other things to worry about as well, this is just one example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That argument suffered a big blow when President Obama could not convince China and India to cap their carbon emissions.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an especially hard negotiation since we&#8217;ve been polluting for a lot longer.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re supposed to be a city on a hill&#8211;a leader, not a follower. The sooner we incentivize and develop the technology, for us and the rest of the world, the better. </p>
<p>Also, surely if we don&#8217;t curb our emissions, expect to see significant tariffs on our products, and probably trade wars (although there will probably be a lot of other things to worry about as well, this is just one example).</p>
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		<title>By: Claude</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129917</link>
		<dc:creator>Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the arguments put forth for a carbon cap is that a failure to do so would hurt the U.S.&#039;s standing in the world.  The rest of world was convinced that human-caused global warming was taking place, and they wanted quick and strong action to cap carbon emissions.  If the U.S. refused to participate, we would have trouble achieving anything that required international cooperation.

That argument suffered a big blow when President Obama could not convince China and India to cap their carbon emissions.  The Senate faced the prospect of passing cap-and-trade, and then watching factories in the U.S. close down because of higher energy prices while factories in China and India revved up production.  It would have hurt the U.S. economy without doing anything to help global warming.

To make a cap on carbon emissions work, you&#039;ve got to have the entire industrialized world participating.  That is admittedly a tough task, and the Obama Administration couldn&#039;t pull it off.  It&#039;s the failure to persuade China and India, not the opposition of Republicans, that doomed cap-and-trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the arguments put forth for a carbon cap is that a failure to do so would hurt the U.S.&#8217;s standing in the world.  The rest of world was convinced that human-caused global warming was taking place, and they wanted quick and strong action to cap carbon emissions.  If the U.S. refused to participate, we would have trouble achieving anything that required international cooperation.</p>
<p>That argument suffered a big blow when President Obama could not convince China and India to cap their carbon emissions.  The Senate faced the prospect of passing cap-and-trade, and then watching factories in the U.S. close down because of higher energy prices while factories in China and India revved up production.  It would have hurt the U.S. economy without doing anything to help global warming.</p>
<p>To make a cap on carbon emissions work, you&#8217;ve got to have the entire industrialized world participating.  That is admittedly a tough task, and the Obama Administration couldn&#8217;t pull it off.  It&#8217;s the failure to persuade China and India, not the opposition of Republicans, that doomed cap-and-trade.</p>
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		<title>By: JJWFromME</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-climate-change-fail/comment-page-1#comment-129879</link>
		<dc:creator>JJWFromME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This graph says it all:

http://apture.s3.amazonaws.com/00000129f64171db8c5f265b007f000000000001.yearly_graph.jpg

(From:)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/07/research_desk_graphs_more_fili.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This graph says it all:</p>
<p><a href="http://apture.s3.amazonaws.com/00000129f64171db8c5f265b007f000000000001.yearly_graph.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://apture.s3.amazonaws.com/00000129f64171db8c5f265b007f000000000001.yearly_graph.jpg</a></p>
<p>(From:)<br />
<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/07/research_desk_graphs_more_fili.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/07/research_desk_graphs_more_fili.html</a></p>
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