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		<title>By: txanne</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-afghan-war-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-75203</link>
		<dc:creator>txanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh...I really dont know why you want to deny the truth

Maybe this pro-Bush website will help.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/11/005182.php

excerpt from the transcript of the speech:

&quot;Terrorists need places to hide, to plot, and to train, so we&#039;re holding their allies, the allies of terror to account. (Applause.) Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda, and put the Taliban out of business forever. (Applause.)

OK you guys p&#039;wned me (I did get the date wrong) mea culpa!

Hmmmm...that blog also linked to the WH website for video of the speech, and guess what? It wasnt there!

As Indy pointed out above, it ended up in the same spot as that HP link
&quot;the citations dead end into a wh generated, suspiciously non-archived page,&quot;

What&#039;s up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh&#8230;I really dont know why you want to deny the truth</p>
<p>Maybe this pro-Bush website will help.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/11/005182.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2003/11/005182.php</a></p>
<p>excerpt from the transcript of the speech:</p>
<p>&#8220;Terrorists need places to hide, to plot, and to train, so we&#8217;re holding their allies, the allies of terror to account. (Applause.) Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda, and put the Taliban out of business forever. (Applause.)</p>
<p>OK you guys p&#8217;wned me (I did get the date wrong) mea culpa!</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;that blog also linked to the WH website for video of the speech, and guess what? It wasnt there!</p>
<p>As Indy pointed out above, it ended up in the same spot as that HP link<br />
&#8220;the citations dead end into a wh generated, suspiciously non-archived page,&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-afghan-war-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-75189</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raider1, automaticBS&#039;er has been at it here for a long, long time.  He isn&#039;t here to persuade.  He isn&#039;t here to help conservatives and the GOP reframe the debate and re-emerge as the majority again... he&#039;s here to incite, irritate, inflame, annoy, distract and disrupt.

Just like the manufactured names hiding under the rubric of balconsefault-BarryS-Mr Face-Moderate et al.

You nailed him with &quot;Amazing the partisan hack you (Otto) are, masquerading as an intellectual&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raider1, automaticBS&#8217;er has been at it here for a long, long time.  He isn&#8217;t here to persuade.  He isn&#8217;t here to help conservatives and the GOP reframe the debate and re-emerge as the majority again&#8230; he&#8217;s here to incite, irritate, inflame, annoy, distract and disrupt.</p>
<p>Just like the manufactured names hiding under the rubric of balconsefault-BarryS-Mr Face-Moderate et al.</p>
<p>You nailed him with &#8220;Amazing the partisan hack you (Otto) are, masquerading as an intellectual&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider1</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-afghan-war-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-75155</link>
		<dc:creator>Raider1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Otto once again misses the mark and instead defaults to his DNC talking points handbook.   Didn&#039;t Schaeffer offer up that the Dems were cautious too about committing troops?  Remember when everyone was calling it a &quot;quagmire&quot; and saying we were the next Red Army?  

Amazing the partisan hack you are, masquerading as an intellectual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Otto once again misses the mark and instead defaults to his DNC talking points handbook.   Didn&#8217;t Schaeffer offer up that the Dems were cautious too about committing troops?  Remember when everyone was calling it a &#8220;quagmire&#8221; and saying we were the next Red Army?  </p>
<p>Amazing the partisan hack you are, masquerading as an intellectual.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independent, thanks for outing another trollish behavior here amongst the far Left commenters at Frum Forum.  They love to take HuffPo or DailyKos speaking points verbatim, present them as near-Biblical fact, then try to avert and distract when uncovered and outed for the troll-like behavior.

If any of the writers on this site tried that stunt with a WorldNet article, the hounds of trolls would be screaming in the streets for weeks.  We&#039;d have an assorted list of manufactured characters calling the writer a &quot;coward&quot; or &quot;yellow&quot; or God only knows what... oh wait, that&#039;s already happened, eh?

txanne got p&#039;wned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independent, thanks for outing another trollish behavior here amongst the far Left commenters at Frum Forum.  They love to take HuffPo or DailyKos speaking points verbatim, present them as near-Biblical fact, then try to avert and distract when uncovered and outed for the troll-like behavior.</p>
<p>If any of the writers on this site tried that stunt with a WorldNet article, the hounds of trolls would be screaming in the streets for weeks.  We&#8217;d have an assorted list of manufactured characters calling the writer a &#8220;coward&#8221; or &#8220;yellow&#8221; or God only knows what&#8230; oh wait, that&#8217;s already happened, eh?</p>
<p>txanne got p&#8217;wned.</p>
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		<title>By: txanne</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/the-dems-afghan-war-hypocrisy/comment-page-1#comment-75083</link>
		<dc:creator>txanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry you went to all that trouble Indy. Yes the WH removed that litlle tidbit from their website and pulled it from Youtube as well. I dont blame them, pretty embarrassing!

 But I didnt get it from the web. I saw it on the TV. It&#039;s still out there on the airwaves, but I am sure you only watch FOX and will never see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry you went to all that trouble Indy. Yes the WH removed that litlle tidbit from their website and pulled it from Youtube as well. I dont blame them, pretty embarrassing!</p>
<p> But I didnt get it from the web. I saw it on the TV. It&#8217;s still out there on the airwaves, but I am sure you only watch FOX and will never see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, txanne, bush declared the mission accomplished in may 2003 --not exactly your count of a few months later, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, txanne, bush declared the mission accomplished in may 2003 &#8211;not exactly your count of a few months later, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I posted facts&quot; --txanne

umm, no you didn&#039;t and the talking points you&#039;re using without doing the leg work to establish they are valid make you look like either a fool or a lying troll... or didn&#039;t you know you were being made a tool by the huffington post and jason linkins... it&#039;s the problem with having unlimited capacity for the village idiots on the left to create a blog at huffington post... the name and entire website suffers from the failure to sort out lies from the usual hatefilled hard left spew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I posted facts&#8221; &#8211;txanne</p>
<p>umm, no you didn&#8217;t and the talking points you&#8217;re using without doing the leg work to establish they are valid make you look like either a fool or a lying troll&#8230; or didn&#8217;t you know you were being made a tool by the huffington post and jason linkins&#8230; it&#8217;s the problem with having unlimited capacity for the village idiots on the left to create a blog at huffington post&#8230; the name and entire website suffers from the failure to sort out lies from the usual hatefilled hard left spew.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But Bush declared in 2002 that the Taliban was out of business, and then months later declared “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq.&quot;  --txanne

gee, those are real thick glasses you&#039;ve got --they&#039;ve distorted reality and destroyed your sense of perception... if you&#039;d put down the huffington post talking points --which is where you get the lie of &quot;(mr) bush delcared in 20o2&quot;... that lie has been discredited repeatedly on blogs that i read and i&#039;m surprised to see it pop up out of the manure pile here, too... follow the the huffington post citations in the article where txanne gets her lies http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/bush-changes-tune-on-tali_n_151433.html  and surprise, the citations dead end into a wh generated, suspiciously non-archived page that, as those who&#039;ve discredited the lie can attest, it is against federal law to change a white house web page.

the people here must know that, txanne... you simply look the fool for trollishly repeating fake talking points fresh from huffington post pure fictional segments.

or didn&#039;t you know it the talking points you spout were discredited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Bush declared in 2002 that the Taliban was out of business, and then months later declared “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq.&#8221;  &#8211;txanne</p>
<p>gee, those are real thick glasses you&#8217;ve got &#8211;they&#8217;ve distorted reality and destroyed your sense of perception&#8230; if you&#8217;d put down the huffington post talking points &#8211;which is where you get the lie of &#8220;(mr) bush delcared in 20o2&#8243;&#8230; that lie has been discredited repeatedly on blogs that i read and i&#8217;m surprised to see it pop up out of the manure pile here, too&#8230; follow the the huffington post citations in the article where txanne gets her lies <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/bush-changes-tune-on-tali_n_151433.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/bush-changes-tune-on-tali_n_151433.html</a>  and surprise, the citations dead end into a wh generated, suspiciously non-archived page that, as those who&#8217;ve discredited the lie can attest, it is against federal law to change a white house web page.</p>
<p>the people here must know that, txanne&#8230; you simply look the fool for trollishly repeating fake talking points fresh from huffington post pure fictional segments.</p>
<p>or didn&#8217;t you know it the talking points you spout were discredited?</p>
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		<title>By: txanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>txanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and then you attack those who take exception to your “opinions”… and lie like a rug while doing it all. astonishing… amazing… pure democrat.&quot;

I posted facts.  Do you deny that Bush said we had defeated the Taliban and accomplished the mission in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and then you attack those who take exception to your “opinions”… and lie like a rug while doing it all. astonishing… amazing… pure democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>I posted facts.  Do you deny that Bush said we had defeated the Taliban and accomplished the mission in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I take note the sky did not fall nor did Bin Laden roll into Kabul in triumph while we were waiting.&quot;  --rbottoms

you might note that while the rest of the world notes that mr obama adopted the basic bush-rumsfeld strategy in place for 7 yrs, it took mr oabam nearly 9 months to do that simple task, while he was outmanuevered by a corrupt, drug-dealing 3rd world despot, he spoiled and angered our allies and embraced our enemies, he caved into soviet pressure to halt deployment on a forward positioned defense shield for eastern europe and got nothing in return --no help on iran, no help on n korea, no help on afghanistan, nothing.  nato allies will be trying to figure out how to get out of the mostly non-combat duties in afghanistan while mr obama dithers there a bit longer... the reason problem isn&#039;t that mr obama finally decided... the real problem (and mrs clinton is one of the few non-czar appointees who understands this) is that it took mr obama so long to decide and the message sent abroad is that american resolve is like mr obama&#039;s domestic support: a mile wide and a single inch deep.

defining a strategy of cutting and running from yet another military battle never took the democrats so long... so much for mr obama&#039;s war of necessity and another campaign promise bites the dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I take note the sky did not fall nor did Bin Laden roll into Kabul in triumph while we were waiting.&#8221;  &#8211;rbottoms</p>
<p>you might note that while the rest of the world notes that mr obama adopted the basic bush-rumsfeld strategy in place for 7 yrs, it took mr oabam nearly 9 months to do that simple task, while he was outmanuevered by a corrupt, drug-dealing 3rd world despot, he spoiled and angered our allies and embraced our enemies, he caved into soviet pressure to halt deployment on a forward positioned defense shield for eastern europe and got nothing in return &#8211;no help on iran, no help on n korea, no help on afghanistan, nothing.  nato allies will be trying to figure out how to get out of the mostly non-combat duties in afghanistan while mr obama dithers there a bit longer&#8230; the reason problem isn&#8217;t that mr obama finally decided&#8230; the real problem (and mrs clinton is one of the few non-czar appointees who understands this) is that it took mr obama so long to decide and the message sent abroad is that american resolve is like mr obama&#8217;s domestic support: a mile wide and a single inch deep.</p>
<p>defining a strategy of cutting and running from yet another military battle never took the democrats so long&#8230; so much for mr obama&#8217;s war of necessity and another campaign promise bites the dust.</p>
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