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		<title>By: mike farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, connor, gotcha, the conservatives and tea parties freaked out all over the country. 

It&#039;s funny that every conservative I heard talk about Brown&#039;s vote said the same thing -- they expected it. I&#039;m not sure why it&#039;s so important to always put the tea partiers in a bad light -- what motivates this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, connor, gotcha, the conservatives and tea parties freaked out all over the country. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that every conservative I heard talk about Brown&#8217;s vote said the same thing &#8212; they expected it. I&#8217;m not sure why it&#8217;s so important to always put the tea partiers in a bad light &#8212; what motivates this?</p>
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		<title>By: connor25</title>
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		<dc:creator>connor25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually mike farmer, I was on those sites and realized I&#039;m not the type of conservatives they are. It&#039;s been on every site I&#039;ve been on. I feel I don&#039;t need to name them.

I don&#039;t go on RedState sinz not after what I heard about them.

You are correct on some points rbottoms, the GOP isn&#039;t willing to call out the far right crazies. Demographically, it&#039;s not looking good I agree with you on that. But the shrieking base never really care about expanding the party, they just say &quot;Court us only and screw every other voting group&quot;. Everytime I tried talking about reaching out to other groups, they think it means becoming a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually mike farmer, I was on those sites and realized I&#8217;m not the type of conservatives they are. It&#8217;s been on every site I&#8217;ve been on. I feel I don&#8217;t need to name them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go on RedState sinz not after what I heard about them.</p>
<p>You are correct on some points rbottoms, the GOP isn&#8217;t willing to call out the far right crazies. Demographically, it&#8217;s not looking good I agree with you on that. But the shrieking base never really care about expanding the party, they just say &#8220;Court us only and screw every other voting group&#8221;. Everytime I tried talking about reaching out to other groups, they think it means becoming a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: mike farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;mike farmer, I’ve browsed some conservatives websites where they were already bitching about Scott voting for the Jobs Bill when it happened.&quot;

I&#039;m sure you have, but they must not be important sites or you would have named them -- the point is that Tim&#039;s portrayal is wildly exaggerated in order to make the tea partiers and conservatives look like ignorant dupes-- there was no big surprise or rage against Brown among conservatives or tea party spokespeople. Most conservatives yawned -- although I&#039;m sure they don&#039;t want Brown to really surprise them and vote on something big like healthcare reform. I&#039;m sure every prominent conservative who understands politics, and every tea party member who knew Brown, expected votes like this -- Brown won&#039;t get re-elected if he doesn&#039;t act bipartisan on some issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;mike farmer, I’ve browsed some conservatives websites where they were already bitching about Scott voting for the Jobs Bill when it happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you have, but they must not be important sites or you would have named them &#8212; the point is that Tim&#8217;s portrayal is wildly exaggerated in order to make the tea partiers and conservatives look like ignorant dupes&#8211; there was no big surprise or rage against Brown among conservatives or tea party spokespeople. Most conservatives yawned &#8212; although I&#8217;m sure they don&#8217;t want Brown to really surprise them and vote on something big like healthcare reform. I&#8217;m sure every prominent conservative who understands politics, and every tea party member who knew Brown, expected votes like this &#8212; Brown won&#8217;t get re-elected if he doesn&#8217;t act bipartisan on some issues.</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
you have about equal credibility on that as judging where the GOP is headed.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Demographically, towards the dustbin of history.

Gay Republicans? Yes, there are hordes of them.

And as usual, elected blacks, still zero.

The most intransigent, crazy (Michelle Bachmann), and tin earned jerks (&lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/77839/trent-franks-abortion-is-worse-for-blacks-than-slavery-was&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trent Franks: Abortion Is Worse for Blacks Than Slavery Was&lt;/a&gt;) are the face of the party. 

You can&#039;t call off the teabagger hounds without the snarling pack turning on you, and elected members of your party are lunatic enough on their own to force swing voters to think twice. Flirting with the militia in the 90&#039;s hung Tim McVeigh around your necks, I take it you&#039;re not interested in learning from history. Between stunts like Sen. Bunning halting the unemployment and Cobra benefits of already desperate working class people, and teabagger  terrorists (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0223/Joe-Stack-IRS-attack-All-American-rage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe Stack IRS attack: All-American rage?&lt;/a&gt;) willing to pull 9/11 style attacks on the citizenry the Far Right will bring the GOP down. 

Of course not satisfied with courting the fringe, mainstream anti-Latino attacks on the subject of immigration will help keep young Hispanics from ever pulling the R-lever.

Long term direction of the GOP, down and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have about equal credibility on that as judging where the GOP is headed.</p>
<p>Demographically, towards the dustbin of history.</p>
<p>Gay Republicans? Yes, there are hordes of them.</p>
<p>And as usual, elected blacks, still zero.</p>
<p>The most intransigent, crazy (Michelle Bachmann), and tin earned jerks (Trent Franks: Abortion Is Worse for Blacks Than Slavery Was) are the face of the party. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t call off the teabagger hounds without the snarling pack turning on you, and elected members of your party are lunatic enough on their own to force swing voters to think twice. Flirting with the militia in the 90&#8217;s hung Tim McVeigh around your necks, I take it you&#8217;re not interested in learning from history. Between stunts like Sen. Bunning halting the unemployment and Cobra benefits of already desperate working class people, and teabagger  terrorists (Joe Stack IRS attack: All-American rage?) willing to pull 9/11 style attacks on the citizenry the Far Right will bring the GOP down. </p>
<p>Of course not satisfied with courting the fringe, mainstream anti-Latino attacks on the subject of immigration will help keep young Hispanics from ever pulling the R-lever.</p>
<p>Long term direction of the GOP, down and out.</p>
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		<title>By: GOProud</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOProud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just gotta love the farLeft trolls advising with fake sincerity who Romney should pick for a veep... after months of promoting the false claim that Palin would be #1 on the ticket.

Why don&#039;t you guys stick to predicting how the tea leaves in the bottom of Obama&#039;s tea cup will cluster --you have about equal credibility on that as judging where the GOP is headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just gotta love the farLeft trolls advising with fake sincerity who Romney should pick for a veep&#8230; after months of promoting the false claim that Palin would be #1 on the ticket.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you guys stick to predicting how the tea leaves in the bottom of Obama&#8217;s tea cup will cluster &#8211;you have about equal credibility on that as judging where the GOP is headed.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>connor25: &lt;blockquote&gt; I knew the first minute he voted for that bill, the RINO alerts would go off in the minds of conservatives similar to when Joseph Cao voted for the House Bill. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, it started earlier than that.

Throughout Brown&#039;s campaign for the Senate, RedState.com refused to support him or work for his election.  Because RedState.com has a policy of only supporting pro-life candidates.

When Brown voted for the jobs bill, RedState.com took a rather non-committal attitude:  It&#039;s a small bill and as everybody recognizes, a Republican from Massachusetts isn&#039;t going to agree on everything with a Republican from Texas or Alabama.

It&#039;s his pro-choice stance on abortion they can&#039;t accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>connor25:  I knew the first minute he voted for that bill, the RINO alerts would go off in the minds of conservatives similar to when Joseph Cao voted for the House Bill.<br />
No, it started earlier than that.</p>
<p>Throughout Brown&#8217;s campaign for the Senate, RedState.com refused to support him or work for his election.  Because RedState.com has a policy of only supporting pro-life candidates.</p>
<p>When Brown voted for the jobs bill, RedState.com took a rather non-committal attitude:  It&#8217;s a small bill and as everybody recognizes, a Republican from Massachusetts isn&#8217;t going to agree on everything with a Republican from Texas or Alabama.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s his pro-choice stance on abortion they can&#8217;t accept.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BoolaBoola:  &lt;blockquote&gt; The thing about Brown is, he didn’t stake out ANY positions. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes he did.

Brown promised to be the 41st vote against ObamaCare.

Brown also promised to work for a tougher line against terrorism than Obama has pursued.

And what turned off the social conservatives the most was that he said he was pro-choice, though he wanted to pursue ways to reduce the need for abortion.

And that was good enough for me.  I like that platform.  So I voted for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BoolaBoola:   The thing about Brown is, he didn’t stake out ANY positions.<br />
Yes he did.</p>
<p>Brown promised to be the 41st vote against ObamaCare.</p>
<p>Brown also promised to work for a tougher line against terrorism than Obama has pursued.</p>
<p>And what turned off the social conservatives the most was that he said he was pro-choice, though he wanted to pursue ways to reduce the need for abortion.</p>
<p>And that was good enough for me.  I like that platform.  So I voted for him.</p>
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		<title>By: connor25</title>
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		<dc:creator>connor25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew the first minute he voted for that bill, the RINO alerts would go off in the minds of conservatives similar to when Joseph Cao voted for the House Bill. These types of conservatives don&#039;t get what works in Alabama or a Southern State doesn&#039;t work for a Northeastern state.

mike farmer, I&#039;ve browsed some conservatives websites where they were already bitching about Scott voting for the Jobs Bill when it happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew the first minute he voted for that bill, the RINO alerts would go off in the minds of conservatives similar to when Joseph Cao voted for the House Bill. These types of conservatives don&#8217;t get what works in Alabama or a Southern State doesn&#8217;t work for a Northeastern state.</p>
<p>mike farmer, I&#8217;ve browsed some conservatives websites where they were already bitching about Scott voting for the Jobs Bill when it happened.</p>
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		<title>By: franco 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>franco 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look. A lot of tea party folks worked for, contributed to, and voted for Scott Brown. Tim Mak is trying to advance the idea that they were ignorant of Scott Brown&#039;s overall politics, which would allow Mak to continue to mis characterize tea partiers as intransigent fringers. 

This site has generally supported Arlen Specter, warning that the conservative Toomey would cause a Democrat to be elected in PA And arlen Specter is a Republican -- er, scratch that he IS a Democrat now...

Now we hear NOTHING on that race at FF, because the facts are inconvenient to Frummers, rhymes with Mummers. 

It isn&#039;t conservative Republicans who are unable to see nuance and distinctions. It&#039;s Frummers, who can&#039;t manage to distinguish a Massachusetts race(Ted Kennedy&#039;s seat at that) from the Pennsylvania that  elected Rick Santorum not so long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look. A lot of tea party folks worked for, contributed to, and voted for Scott Brown. Tim Mak is trying to advance the idea that they were ignorant of Scott Brown&#8217;s overall politics, which would allow Mak to continue to mis characterize tea partiers as intransigent fringers. </p>
<p>This site has generally supported Arlen Specter, warning that the conservative Toomey would cause a Democrat to be elected in PA And arlen Specter is a Republican &#8212; er, scratch that he IS a Democrat now&#8230;</p>
<p>Now we hear NOTHING on that race at FF, because the facts are inconvenient to Frummers, rhymes with Mummers. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t conservative Republicans who are unable to see nuance and distinctions. It&#8217;s Frummers, who can&#8217;t manage to distinguish a Massachusetts race(Ted Kennedy&#8217;s seat at that) from the Pennsylvania that  elected Rick Santorum not so long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: franco 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>franco 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking to a young man who made unsubstantiated claims. He&#039;s not talking about Club for Growth or primary challenges, he&#039;s making references to unnamed sources . Made up. But instead of reading or responding to comments (not that they are that many to slog through), he&#039;s likely off posting more inane unsupported drivel.

This site is a disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to a young man who made unsubstantiated claims. He&#8217;s not talking about Club for Growth or primary challenges, he&#8217;s making references to unnamed sources . Made up. But instead of reading or responding to comments (not that they are that many to slog through), he&#8217;s likely off posting more inane unsupported drivel.</p>
<p>This site is a disgrace.</p>
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