Comments on: The Army’s Pregnancy Ban http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sunday, Nov. 28, 2010 DMN http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-201223 Sunday, Nov. 28, 2010 DMN Mon, 29 Nov 2010 03:53:23 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-201223 [...] http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban [...] [...] http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban [...]

]]> By: ESK http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-79965 ESK Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:43:17 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-79965 I find it sickening that there are people here saying women don't belong in the military. How about all the "MEN" who have no business being in the military? I for one have come across many females who are often more apt and willing to go to a combat situation then their male counterparts. Of course there are females who say "oops this is not for me, I don't want to be in combat." Please do not pretend that same shit isn't being said by the males. The solution is not to take all women out of combat or combat support roles, the solution is to hold them and the men that get them pregnant personally responsible. I didn't say send them to jail, but put them on restriction, take away some pay, knock them down a paygrade. I find it sickening that there are people here saying women don’t belong in the military. How about all the “MEN” who have no business being in the military? I for one have come across many females who are often more apt and willing to go to a combat situation then their male counterparts. Of course there are females who say “oops this is not for me, I don’t want to be in combat.” Please do not pretend that same shit isn’t being said by the males.
The solution is not to take all women out of combat or combat support roles, the solution is to hold them and the men that get them pregnant personally responsible. I didn’t say send them to jail, but put them on restriction, take away some pay, knock them down a paygrade.

]]> By: jjv http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78517 jjv Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:35:26 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78517 I seem to recall the army made getting sunburn court martial offenses in the tropics because it injured soldiers performance and was completely preventable. The real problem here is, of course, women are not cut out to be warriors. We rely to much on female soldiers. It is a problem for the Army when a woman is pregnant but it is also a problem when they are mothers away from their children. It is not an accident that even countries committed to outcome egalitarianism like the Soviet Union and Israel turned to front line female troops only in extremis. Let us not forget also that pregnancy without this rule is a way to evade very rough duty, much like Corporal Klinger attempted in MASH by dressing in drag some young women may regret their decision and see this as a natural and easy way out. I seem to recall the army made getting sunburn court martial offenses in the tropics because it injured soldiers performance and was completely preventable. The real problem here is, of course, women are not cut out to be warriors. We rely to much on female soldiers. It is a problem for the Army when a woman is pregnant but it is also a problem when they are mothers away from their children. It is not an accident that even countries committed to outcome egalitarianism like the Soviet Union and Israel turned to front line female troops only in extremis. Let us not forget also that pregnancy without this rule is a way to evade very rough duty, much like Corporal Klinger attempted in MASH by dressing in drag some young women may regret their decision and see this as a natural and easy way out.

]]> By: DFL http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78432 DFL Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:50:13 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78432 Both the Gutman book and the Mitchell book are excellent exposes yet both are, in the words of Donovan, like trying to catch the wind. Both the Gutman book and the Mitchell book are excellent exposes yet both are, in the words of Donovan, like trying to catch the wind.

]]> By: Carney http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78370 Carney Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:57:56 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78370 http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp See also: “Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster” by Brian P. Mitchell (Regnery, 1998); “The Kinder, Gentler Military: How Political Correctness Affects Our Ability to Win Wars” by Stephanie Gutman (Encounter Books, 2001); and “Co-ed Combat: The New Evidence That Women Shouldn’t Fight the Nation’s Wars” by Kinsgley Browne (Sentinel HC, 2007). http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp

See also:

“Women in the Military: Flirting With Disaster” by Brian P. Mitchell (Regnery, 1998);

“The Kinder, Gentler Military: How Political Correctness Affects Our Ability to Win Wars” by Stephanie Gutman (Encounter Books, 2001);

and

“Co-ed Combat: The New Evidence That Women Shouldn’t Fight the Nation’s Wars” by Kinsgley Browne (Sentinel HC, 2007).

]]> By: DFL http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78345 DFL Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:09:52 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78345 I think the author is indicating one of the reasons why women don't belong in the military. In our egalitarian times, women will never be outright banned from the military. However, stronger physical standards for service- benchpressing 175 pounds, running a seven minute mile etc.- could eliminate much of the problem. I think the author is indicating one of the reasons why women don’t belong in the military. In our egalitarian times, women will never be outright banned from the military. However, stronger physical standards for service- benchpressing 175 pounds, running a seven minute mile etc.- could eliminate much of the problem.

]]> By: WWM http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78341 WWM Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:24:07 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78341 Significant level of ignorance and prejudice here. The rule DID apply to males as well as females. Significant level of ignorance and prejudice here. The rule DID apply to males as well as females.

]]> By: PracticalGirl http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78284 PracticalGirl Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:20:21 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78284 Very weird discussion to be having on Christmas day... I found it significant that everybody on this thread concentrated on the women soldiers and completely ignored "or fathering a child" as a court martial offense. Cuculo at least attempted some parity and some recognition that women don't get pregnant alone. Very stupid, knee jerk ruling on the whole though: What would have happened if a married soldier whose wife was nonmilitary had fathered a child? Presumably, he would have been court martialed. Better heads seemed to have prevailed. Very weird discussion to be having on Christmas day…

I found it significant that everybody on this thread concentrated on the women soldiers and completely ignored “or fathering a child” as a court martial offense. Cuculo at least attempted some parity and some recognition that women don’t get pregnant alone. Very stupid, knee jerk ruling on the whole though: What would have happened if a married soldier whose wife was nonmilitary had fathered a child? Presumably, he would have been court martialed. Better heads seemed to have prevailed.

]]> By: A Court-Martial For Diaper Duty « Around The Sphere http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78283 A Court-Martial For Diaper Duty « Around The Sphere Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:04:18 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78283 [...] Elise Cooper at FrumForum: On Nov. 4, Major General Anthony Cuculo issued a general order making pregnancy or fathering a child a court martial offense in his command in northern Iraq. The general’s order has triggered controversy, despite its seeming even application to men and women. [...] [...] Elise Cooper at FrumForum: On Nov. 4, Major General Anthony Cuculo issued a general order making pregnancy or fathering a child a court martial offense in his command in northern Iraq. The general’s order has triggered controversy, despite its seeming even application to men and women. [...]

]]> By: ShawninPHX http://www.frumforum.com/the-armys-pregnancy-ban/comment-page-1#comment-78273 ShawninPHX Sat, 26 Dec 2009 04:23:52 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=18752#comment-78273 Condoms and birth control, even used correctly, can fail at times (my sister came along that way). If the military wants to enforce this rule than it should be against both sexes - no sex while deployed on combat (even when you go home for break). If you're going to tell one sex that they shall not do something then it's only fair to tell the other sex to do the same. I have a feeling this would not go well in the military and would be immediately overruled. Rightly in my opinion. Condoms and birth control, even used correctly, can fail at times (my sister came along that way). If the military wants to enforce this rule than it should be against both sexes – no sex while deployed on combat (even when you go home for break).

If you’re going to tell one sex that they shall not do something then it’s only fair to tell the other sex to do the same.

I have a feeling this would not go well in the military and would be immediately overruled. Rightly in my opinion.

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