Former Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo spoke Thursday night to students on the George Washington University campus at an event sponsored by the Young America’s Foundation. Tancredo played some of his oldest hits for the crowd, repeating remarks he first made about nuclear retaliation in a July 2005 radio interview. Tancredo proposed that if an Islamic terrorist attack was launched on the United States, the best policy for the U.S. would be to use nuclear weapons on Mecca and Medina, because you have “to go for the jugular.”
“Well, what if you said something like — if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites,” Tancredo argued. The former congressman told students that mutually assured destruction was the best policy for preventing attacks from “Islamo-Facists.” Tancredo insisted that Islamic terrorists would be greatly deterred from launching an attack on U.S. soil if they believe we are “crazy enough” to “take out” Mecca and Medina.
During the course of the event, Frum Forum also asked Tancredo his thoughts on the current state of the Republican Party. He replied, “Bipartisanship is overrated, we don’t need moderates in the party, we need principled conservatives.”Tancredo is looking for another Reagan, “a politician, who can inspire.” However, he does not see anyone who currently fits that mold.
During the speech, Tancredo also played a new tune for the audience, addressing fears about global warming. When asked if the G.O.P. needs to adopt a platform on climate change and current environmental issues his response was quite eloquent in its brevity: “We have a position, its bull****.”
Tancredo’s old hits about bombing Mecca were not well received. Those statements were met with mixed reactions from the crowd. Many students’ jaws dropped in amazement after he made the comments. Some looked around in awe and asked “Is he serious?” Others defended the need for such crazed action by saying “there is no other option.”
Distressingly though the students in attendance seemed quite happy with Tancredo’s new remarks on climate change and his statement that the GOP needs to move farther to the right, purging itself of moderates and RINOS.
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1 ottovbvs // Oct 18, 2009 at 12:28 pm
……Take a look at that focus group report from Democracy Corps that’s out. I know its a Dem leaning consultancy but there’s a ton of other evidence of which this is just another example that today this is where the GOP is located doctrinally and emotionally. It should be scaring the pants off the leadership and party strategists but they are in total denial……these people are basically off the wall but they ARE the Republican party.
2 SFTor1 // Oct 18, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Tom Tancredo sounds a little unhinged.
That goes double for his comments on blowing up Mecca and Medina.
3 Arch // Oct 18, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Can you imagine the jihad we’d inspire if we blew up Mecca?
4 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 3:58 pm
This is what I don’t get. Why is he so popular with so many on the far right?
Even if they agree with him 100% so what? Can anyone tell me anything he accomplished in congress other then making a foll of himself and our party? Any even halfway important legislation he got passed?
Can anyone tell me what he accomplished other then wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on his salary and expenses while he did nothing but run his mouth in Congress?
He is nothing more then an bigoted nativist agitating loudmouth who hasn’t actually accomplished anything in his life other then making loud and absurd comments that draw him attention and fawning praise from the neo-birchers.
5 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 4:34 pm
No, the question is why is he a Republican at all? You are the party of teabaggers, birthers, and death panels heading inexorably towards Palin/Jindal 2012, the soundtrack for that election provided by the The Doors.
This is, the end.
6 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Global warming is bullshit. Record cold temperatures last two years. A cooling trend since 1998 despite all time high CO2 levels.
It’s time for leftwingers to find some other aspect of the environment to fearmonger over. The global warming alarmism isn’t going to play anymore.
7 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 5:30 pm
rbottoms,
He can call himself a Republican all he want’s that doesn’t mean he speaks for the party. He is basically “persona non grata” with the GOP establishment.
As for trying to claim the Republican Party is full of crazy birthers, how about the fact that one in three Democrats are truthers? There are actually more truther crazies in the Democratic party then there are Birthers in the GOP! Does that mean the Democratic party is the Party of truthers?
No it doesn’t. What it means is both parties have way too many bat sh*t crazy kooks in their ranks. And our politics and our Country will be all the better for it when both parties wise up and kick them to the curb.
And the “deathpanels” accusation is fair play. It’s called politics and we are playing from the Democrats playbook. For decades any time we proposed private accounts for SS or even the most modest of cuts, even just slowing the growth yet alone cuts, in Medicare the Democrats would claim we are trying to throw Grandma into the cold, force seniors to work into their 90’s, or keep Grandpa from getting his hip replacement. The problem with the Democratic party is that they can dish it out but they can’t take it.
As for 2012, odds are we will probably put up a few sacrificial lambs and lose badly. But that does not mean it is the end of the Party LOL! The GOP had one of the worst electoral defeats in US history in 64′ and came back to win in 68′, a landslide in 72, lose by 2 points in 76′, a sizable victory in 80′, a near record landslide victory in 84′, a landslide in 88′, bad losses in 92′ and 96′, a squeaker in 2000, and a small victory in 2004′.
8 sinz54 // Oct 18, 2009 at 5:31 pm
spikeytx86:
The immigration issue.
Tancredo is the most well known of the immigration opponents.
Not only did Tancredo oppose the Bush immigration bill.
Tancredo proposed a bill that would have banned even LEGAL immigration to the U.S. indefinitely, on the grounds that American culture was being too diluted by immigrants.
9 sinz54 // Oct 18, 2009 at 5:37 pm
conservative-intellectual:
The Earth has both shorter cycles (e.g., El Nino) and many random fluctuations. Those introduce “noise” into the long term data. The fact that the last two years were cooler, is just one of those random fluctuations.
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/09/temperatures-plummeted-in-2008.php
1998 was unusually warm, because of an unusually strong El Nino effect that year. But the long-term trend, discounting the 7 year cycles of El Nino/La Nina, remains in effect.
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/04/warming-stopped-in-1998.php
10 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 5:59 pm
The global warming alarmists are close minded lunatics. Hell could freeze over and they’ll still be fearmongering over some mythical environmental doomsday via global warming. I’d suggest you get off that bandwagon.
11 Churl // Oct 18, 2009 at 6:31 pm
sinz54, who you gonna believe, Al Gore or these lyin’ thermometers and snow observers?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/18/a-cold-start-to-fall-over-4500-new-snowfall-low-temp-and-lowest-max-temp-records-set-in-the-usa-this-last-week/
12 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Must have been the part where he runs and gets re-elected as a Republican that threw me off.
Back to that bullsh*t chestnut, the result of a survey that conflated did George Bush know in advance about 9/11 which he didn’t with was he warned Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US which he was:
I don’t know about you but I’d call that a warning. Instead of clearing brush at his ranch he might have alerted the airlines to take extra precautions and reviewed the reports about the suspicious behavior at flight schools. But that would be looking back and pointing finger right? Better to spend time freaking out about TV broadcasts to kids telling them to stay in school by the Manchurian Candidate Obama.
There’s no talking with Republican or convincing them of actual facts. We’ll just have to hand you your behinds in a couple more elections and perhaps then you’ll change. But I doubt it. In any case we don’t need your votes and frankly I don’t want them. Any Democrat who every gets comfortable counting Republicans as part of his base is a fool. All it takes is a slick haired weather vane like Romney to come along and they’ll go running back to the GOP until the next time they screw up or get caught soliciting in some restroom..
The only people that matter are the 2% swing vote, the independents, those who see that the birthers are not just the fringe of the GOP flag bu the threads themselves and we win. By one vote or one million it doesn’t matter at all.
13 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Liberals love to claim the independents are in lockstop with them, but independents have left them in droves because of Obama’s leftwing policies that nobody supports, like government run healthcare.
Obama’s a disaster….10% unemployment, throwing tax revenue down the drain in name of a phony stimulus, a disinterest in the Afghanistan war, etc. But thet indepednents love him? I don’t think so. That’s the thing about indepedents…..they aren’t loyal, and they certainly arent’ going to stick with Obama. Indepedents did not realize they were voting for Hugo Chavez-lite with this guy.
14 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:32 pm
You do realize that statements like that make you as ridiculous as the birthers to any rational voters, especially the all important 2%?
I for one encourage you to trumpet your beliefs as loudly as possible and to make sure your elected representatives take a stand on it for the record. That is so even more swing voters can see that GOP politicians are either a.) wacked out loons or b.) afraid to stand up to those of their constituents who are wacked out loons or c.) too spineless to take a stand either way.
Either way, a net win for Democrats. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
15 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Hum, what party could have caused the economic collapse Obama is cleaning up?
You mean the one his predecessor had seven years to win? We beat the Germans twice in less time.
More. Louder. That’s the ticket for 2012.
16 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Lefftwing 9-11 Truthers like yourself like to drag the birthers into every debate, but no prominenet conservative is talking about Obama’s birth certificate. Nobody is going to vote for Obama simply because some people are engaged in wishful thinking about Obama’s citzenship.
You are a global warming militant envrionmental extremist. You are the lunatic because you refuse to accept the fact that there is no global warming but global cooling occuring the past 10 years despite increasing amounts of CO2. You have no explaination for this so you lash out and whine about the birthers.
17 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Obama and you leftwing shills can keep blaming Bush, but Obama’s slide in the polls has to do with Obama’s policies, like g overnment run healthcare and government takeovers of the auto industry.
This is Obama’s ecnoomy now and it’s nearly twice as bad unemployment than under Bush. We elected Obama to bring hope and change, and I don’t think this is what we had in mind.
18 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:02 pm
The man hasn’t been out of office nine months yet, you bet Bush still gets the blame. As for the birthers, the reason the GOP is in the shape it’s in, the reason this site even exists is that your so-called prominent Republicans were wetting themselves over how to gently say Obama was a citizen while at the same time not angering the lunatics who have taken over so much of the party.
They can’t say yes to anything without the base going insane and thus they have nothing to brag about come election time. You think the members of UAW at GM and Chrysler who are working, instead of standing in the unemployment line, are mad at Barrack Obama or the Republicans cheering for the shutdown of their firms? There are thousands of people who still have jobs now due to actions taken by the White House and that’s from just a trickle of the stimulus money flowing. Funny thing though, it will start having maximum impact right around this time next year. Huh.
Once health care reform passes you boys are cooked because the teabaggers are going to go berserk and God knows what they’ll start on about next. How popular do you think GOP officials opting out of unemployment insurnace extensions and other federal help are going to be to broke constituents? One fellow is already going to have to content with one guy who plans to camp his destitute family on his lawn. Expect more of that as time passes for the GOP fire breathers. They’ll be back begging on their knees for federal money.
Obama’s ratings are headed back up BTW, Iran is at the table and likely to give up their nuclear arsenal, the Dow is on the way past 10,000.
19 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Obama is going to lose in 2012. The Gates thing exposed him as a racist jackass, the economy sucks, nobody wants government run healthcare, he’s going to raise taxes at some point, the war in Afghanistan is not going well and he will have to answer for that. Plus he’s overexposed…you can’t watch anything on tv without his big head popping to lecture you about something.
20 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:17 pm
To the party of the Moose Hunter and the Exorcist?
Not hardly.
21 brandon // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:24 pm
“Hum, what party could have caused the economic collapse Obama is cleaning up”
When does the clean up actually start showing results, this year, next year, 2012, 2020?
22 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:25 pm
2012 is going to be a referendum on Obama. He was a media creation, and people know what he is all about now, and are rejecting it.
23 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:27 pm
My fear is that Obama will stoke racial agitiation if he loses in 2012. I can see him accusing his defeat on voter fraud by Republicans, despite the irony of the fact that he’s in bed with ACORN. I can see Al Sharpton and company protesting in the street, inciting riots, etc.
24 brandon // Oct 18, 2009 at 9:38 pm
“He was a media creation”
True and the fact that they were successful in getting him elected is frightening.
The fact that 53% of voters actually chose a one term Senator who had no accomplishments in life and has never managed or run any business to be the leader of the free world should scare any intelligent person to death.
25 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The GOP is a party full of of paranoid racists, black helicopter fearing tax protesters, and birth certificate chasing Christian theocrats so that’s hardly a surprise. Bed wetting fear of black men when they have no power, bed wetting fear of black men when one of us acquires it.
More. Louder. I do want to make sure the 2% hears every bit of it.
Moose & Squirrel 2012.
26 rbottoms // Oct 18, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Your friendly neighborhood Right Wing.
27 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:05 pm
See leftwinger. See leftwinger play the race card.
28 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm
rbottoms,
If you can’t admit that your party has more then it’s share of kooks then there really is no point in discussing this any further. Both major parties have disturbed freaks in their ranks. And both parties need to cut them lose. The sad truth is that some 40% of the Electorate are conspiratorial mentally disturbed ignoramuses. And they hail from the far right AND the far left.
I have found some of the things you have said to be pretty fair and on the mark. But today it seems all you do is ad hominem attacks. Which is fine. It’s a free country if you want to spend your time dropping deuces on republican forums go for it. Continue your hubris. I have seen it before in my own party. The “Were invincible and we will never ever lose an election again” mindset. But eventually all things must come to an end.
Continue your fantasy that the voters absolutely love the Democrats and adore and support everything they stand for. But the truth is they don’t. They just really hate us right now. The truth is if there was a viable third party they would have dumped both of our parties a long time ago. Obama might be polling alright, but Democrats aren’t. When my party eventually get’s a clue, your party will be consumed by its own hubris.
29 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 pm
rbottoms
“The GOP is a party full of of paranoid racists, black helicopter fearing tax protesters, and birth certificate chasing Christian theocrats so that’s hardly a surprise. Bed wetting fear of black men when they have no power, bed wetting fear of black men when one of us acquires it.
More. Louder. I do want to make sure the 2% hears every bit of it.
Moose & Squirrel 2012.”
My 2nd cousins are bi-racial, my 1st cousins are married to black men, and my uncle is black. But yeah I wake up every night in a cold sweat because my president’s skin pigmentation is slightly darker then past Presidents. You caught me.
I mean we are all racists. If this were a white southern liberal democrat proposing tax hikes and Government run medicine we wouldn’t make a peep…
So let me get this straight, people protesting against higher taxes = black helicopter nut jobs but left wingers protesting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and Israel = broad cross section of America and a true reflection of popular opinion?
And calling Christians theocrats? Yeah that’s not prejudiced at all.
30 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:23 pm
I have to laugh when this guy suggests that both parties needs to cut their lunatics lose. First, how can they do that? Citizens are free to vote for whatever party they choose no matter how “crazy” they are. Second, what politician is goign to reject the vote of a “crazy” person?
I dont’ think the birthers are lunatics. THey are not even in the ballpark on the crazy-meter as the 9-11 truthers, and about 9 out of 10 liberal Democrats is a 9-11 Truther.
31 spikeytx86 // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:35 pm
You “cut them lose” by not pandering to them and in condemning them when they open their mouths. If they want to vote for either party that’s up to them. But their insanity won’t be tolerated either.
The GOP did it with the Birchers, and the Democrats did it with the Segregationists. It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.
What’s going to happen? The birthers ain’t going to vote for the Democrats and the Truthers ain’t going to vote for the GOP. What are they going to do form the “Bat shit crazy party”?
32 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 18, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Who the f—- is pandering to the birthers? You are accepting a false premise put forth by the left.
33 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 am
Full of does not equal all.
I don’t accept your premise so there’s nothing to admit. It wasn’t my party that was clearly on the wrong side of the Civil Rights struggle. Just read William F. Buckley’s about his views on the inferiority of the Negro back then. The GOP has roughly 9% of the black vote and a falling share of the Latino vote. It’s pure demographics that your party is in serious trouble and shouting about birth certificates, secret commie infiltration, and a refusal to make any positive contribution to the health care debate only drag those numbers down further. You can’t be the party of no and succeed.
David Frum says exactly the same things he just doesn’t enjoy having to say it as much as I do.
Sorry, didn’t say that either. You really ought to try reading a little closer. We are almost certain to lose seats next November but the odds of Obama losing on 2012 are pretty damn remote, especially if the ticket is a Moose Hunter and someone slightly less crazy as VP on the ticket. I mock Bobby Jindal for performing an exorcism, well because he did. I guarantee you he will be ruthlessly derided for it the moment he makes any move towards presidential politics. Besides, Moose & Squirrel is pretty funny for anyone who remembers Rocky & Bullwinkle.
Further what I said is the success of Obama with health reform coupled with the type of numbers you see in polls of Republicans (huge percentages who aren’t sure whether Obama is the Anti-Christ or not) means the teabaggers and the birthers are going to go completely off the hook next year. So wild and crazy that the so-called reasonable members of your party will either have to denounce them generating a backlash or pander to them generating shock and amazement among the 2%.
Right now it doesn’t matter how many crazies we have in my party, though I’m willing to stack our stats against yours any day. What matters is the party out of power is going to turn the amps up to 12 since 11 doesn’t seem to be working just eight months onto the Obama presidency.
That is the point of much that is posted on the New Majority site, at least in what I’ve seen Frum write.
Your nuts are in full effect. Your freshmen especially, but old timers like Tancredo and Bachmann are going to turn up the crazy even louder to more destructive effect. To which I say excellent.
Right along side you arguments are guys talking about Obama’s Marxist/Socialist policies, obviously silly and hyperbolic junk that the swing voters find excessive. More. Louder. Please.
My only worry is that the next Tim McVeigh is out there and it is likely we’ll be hearing from him sometime in the next year or two. The Secret Service is facing unprecedented levels of threats against this president and the only obvious conclusion I can draw is because of his race.
Fine. It’s got nothing to do with his race then, it’s equal opportunity minded angry people who believe we are falling into a Marxist/Socialist state that they are taking up arms to fight. That is so much better to have associated with your party.
It irritates you that I repeat what your own pundits are saying back to you, mainly because I make no bones about laughing at the GOP for ever being this wacked out and silly.
34 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:00 am
rbottoms,
“It wasn’t my party that was clearly on the wrong side of the Civil Rights struggle.”
A little history for ya,
“The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 (p. 1323) recorded that, in the Senate, only 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as compared to 82% of Republicans (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democratic senators voted against the Act.”
“In the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act; 92 of the 103 southern Democrats voted against it. Among Republicans, 80% (138 for, 34 against) voted for it.”
“At the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson praised the Republicans for their “overwhelming” support. Roy Wilkins, then-NAACP chairman, awarded Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois the Leadership Conference of Civil Rights Award for his “remarkable civil rights leadership.” Moreover, civil rights activist Andrew Young wrote in his book An Easy Burden that “The southern segregationists were all Democrats, and it was black Republicans… who could effectively influence the appointment of federal judges in the South” (p. 96). Young added that the best civil rights judges were Republicans appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower and that “these judges are among the many unsung heroes of the civil rights movement.”
35 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:05 am
rbottoms!
I never said my party does not have serious problems and has too many nuts in it.
I have also stated that 2012 will probably be pretty bad for us since we will probably nominate a candidate whom only the base likes.
My problem is that you seem to think everything is rosy on your side. And though you may not have said it, your posts imply that you think the voters are enthusiastically behind the Democrats when polls are showing swing voters and indies leaving you guys in droves. Indies by 2-1 margins want the Democrats out of power in the house and senate.
36 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:27 am
And talk about hyperbole, you are implying that anyone who does not support Obama’s agenda do so only out of racism or a vitriolic hatred of the Government and are planning their own Oklahoma City.
Do you know how many people on the left talked about offing President Bush?
How about people calling Juan Williams of all people a “house negro” for saying that it was wrong for people to make false accusations of racism against Rush Limbaugh?
How about people throwing Oreo’s at Steele during a debate back when he was Lt. Governor?
How about people on the left making racial slurs about Collin Powell and Condoleezza Rice Rice?
37 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:50 am
I’m not shy about saying what’s on my mind. If I thought that I would come right out and say it. There’s that peculiar GOP affliction of reading one set of words and seeing something else entirely.
Nope. How many?
How about it. If you can find a quote of me saying it you might have something that interests me.
Never happened.
After Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 they all left for the Republican Party.
You want history. I will point out the cites below are accurate, you can check for yourself. For some reason the folks at the Neo-Nazi site Stormfront seem to think of what William F. Buckley had to say about black inferiority to say in a positive light:
You can spin it any way you want, but blacks were Republicans in high numbers before Johnson and they deserted the GOP for the Democrats after 1965.
We haven’t been tricked or bought off by welfare. The GOP is not friendly to black Americans and it’s due in large part to the Southern Strategy designed to capitalize on white dissatisfaction with integration. Blacks despise the GOP, as a party they have gone out of their way to insult and demeans us from the time of Nixon’s Southern Strategy until fairly recently.
I know it bugs you, but facts are facts.
38 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 4:26 am
So when I present you evidence that refutes your position that we were on the wrong side of civil rights legislation, you bring me a column by one Popular Conservative Pundit?
Yeah I guess that article totally discounts you know, elected Republicans actually voting in far larger numbers for Civil Rights Legislation then Democrats.
An ugly and despicable column is supposed to prove we were on the wrong side of Civil Rights, even though our Voting Record was far stronger then the Democrats?
Now that is what I call reaching!
39 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 4:30 am
I will not refute that the Southern Strategy was not wrong and that it did not alienate Black Republicans to the point where vast numbers no longer felt they had a place in the party. It was a betrayal. And it was despicable.
However that was AFTER the Civil Rights battles, which it is undeniable the the Republican Party had a superior record on Civil Rights and were Indispensable in their passage.
And btw, most Southern Democrats did not become Republicans until the Eighties and Nineties.
40 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 4:37 am
“I’m not shy about saying what’s on my mind. If I thought that I would come right out and say it. There’s that peculiar GOP affliction of reading one set of words and seeing something else entirely.”
Here is your quote;
“My only worry is that the next Tim McVeigh is out there and it is likely we’ll be hearing from him sometime in the next year or two. The Secret Service is facing unprecedented levels of threats against this president and the only obvious conclusion I can draw is because of his race.
Fine. It’s got nothing to do with his race then, it’s equal opportunity minded angry people who believe we are falling into a Marxist/Socialist state that they are taking up arms to fight. That is so much better to have associated with your party.”
Your implying that those who are against the Presidents policies are planning to take up arms against the Government and conduct Domestic Terrorism like Tim McVeigh. (who btw came from a working class democrat family).
41 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 4:48 am
“We haven’t been tricked or bought off by welfare”
Never said you were. Blacks don’t vote for us for a lot of reasons, some that are vary valid, some that aren’t. I think not voting for us because of the Southern Strategy is pretty stupid when they turn around and vote for the party that up until 40 Years ago was the Party of Slavery, Secession, and Segregation.
Just like a lot of white people have a sterotypical view of why Blacks aren’t Republican (the welfare queen stereotype), a lot of Blacks have a warped view of why they can’t be Republicans. A lot believe it was Republicans who were behind the Klan and Jim Crow, some even believe Lincoln was a Democrat.
I 100% agree we have screwed ourselves with minorities time and again, but then again Minority Communities have not been all that receptive either, and many times it’s not based on facts but on myths.
42 Kevin B // Oct 19, 2009 at 5:51 am
“I think not voting for us because of the Southern Strategy is pretty stupid when they turn around and vote for the party that up until 40 Years ago was the Party of Slavery, Secession, and Segregation.”
Very few of those Democrats or Republicans from 40 years ago will be running in any upcoming elections. The more recent history (of the party and the individual candidates) is more relevant to the decisions of voters.
43 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 11:16 am
So do you deal with the facts or do continue doing what you’ve been doing which obviously hasn’t been working? The whole approach to the black community is that we have some how been hypnotized by the Democrats instead of making a comparison between the two and going with the lesser of two evils.
Here’s a suggestion, maybe you stop calling certain members of he community you disagree with “poverty pimps” because that really pisses us off. It’s too late to go back and vote for the Martin Luther King birthday and the people who called MLK a communist and worse didn’t help you out then either.
Rush Limbaugh isn’t helping ypur case either:
Not hardly. To me and most of the 90% that vote against the Republicans every election he’s a Klansman in a pinstripe suit. He’s a David Duke who’s been smart enough to never say the N word.
The GOP is frozen in a time warp in which welfare reform nevr happened and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan still command legions of followers instead of being the old washed up men they are today. And they were only elevated to their lofty position by a media looking for someone to be the spokesmen for all the blacks in America instead of seeing us as individuals who make our own choice based on our own needs.
You could try finally ditching the Confederate flag defense. It’s as offensive to me as the swastika, and by the way we’re not stupid enough to believe that Joe Wilson’s membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans had nothing to do with his disrespect to president Obama during his speech.
What was gained by the psychotic reaction to Obama’s planned speech to school kids? It wasn’t that rightwing nuts picked another issue to get hysterical about, Socialism indoctrination!!!!!, it’s that so-called mainstream Republicans jumped on the bandwagon to score a few points with their teabagging constituents. It was insulting to the man and insulting to blacks to see the men that are supposed to be negotiating with the president’s team over healthcare let that nonsense go on.
Do you really think we can support the party that’s against the minimum wage when so many of us live on exactly that level of income? Why would we vote for the party that has denounced MEdicare forever only to become its champion when it is politically expedient?
We’re not dumb, we’re not hypnotized. The old bogeymen you go on and on about have less clout that Denzel Washington and Beyonce. I’ll never vote for a Republican, but what does it say that you can’t convince an 18 year old or a 22 year old to do so? The party’s own actions, and it’s still essentially lily white mostly male composition do you in with black men and especially black women.
The Democrats aren’t perfect but in a match up between the two parties all the GOP offers is what they are against and what they are afraid of. What are you for, not in theory bu tin fact.
44 Stewardship // Oct 19, 2009 at 11:56 am
conservative-intellectual (or Son of Barker?). Please list five peer reviewed scientific studies that contradict climate change/global warming. I’m not a scientist, but I have a college degree, am a conservative Catholic, father, hunter, who lives in middle America. I understand reasoned, logical arguments–but I immediately tune out ad hominem rhetoric. Thus, if you have posted peer reviewed scientific studies in prior posts, please excuse me…whenever I see your posts, I skip over them.
Right now, we are spending nearly a billion dollars to relocate three small native villages located on the Alaskan coastline…because the permafrost is melting and the villages are sinking into the ocean. Will you or Tancredo be around to write the checks to pay to relocate New York or Miami? The scientific evidence is overwhelming–yet your deep intellect sees through the data and finds the real truth in the words of the Almighty Rushbo! Atta’boy…way to use that conservative intellect.
45 balconesfault // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Right now, we are spending nearly a billion dollars to relocate three small native villages located on the Alaskan coastline…because the permafrost is melting and the villages are sinking into the ocean.
This is the thing that scares the crap out of me. The infrastructure demands that climate change will cause is going to dwarf the costs we’ve been hand wringing over for the last decade plus.
And for everyone worried about 3rd world countries swamping the US – there are going to be some massive population movements – look at how much of the population of some of the most densly populated countries on earth – Bangladesh … coastal India … Singapore … Indonesia …
Look how many massive cities are at risk
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/briefs/x1953033289/Rising-seas-threaten-Shanghai-other-major-cities
There’s going to be a limit to how much concrete can be poured, and how fast. A lot of people are going to be on the move soon.
46 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 12:51 pm
And Michael Moore is fat.
47 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 1:03 pm
When a leftwing environmnetal nutjob can explain how the global warming theory is legit when we’ve had a cooling trend since 1998 despite an increase in CO2, I’ll concede you are right. Also, when you can explain the global cooling trend from the 1940s to the 1970s that lead the Time and Newsweek doing cover stories on the Global Cooling Threat, the same alarmist nonsense they’ve done with their precious global warming theory, I’ll concede you are right on the issue.
Most environmental scientists get their research funding from pro-global warming environmental groups. It’s also about increasing their stature in society as ’savoirs”, so to speak”, speaking up to prevent an environmental doomsday.
48 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 1:51 pm
And the denialists get their money from oil and coal companies. Drill baby drill.
49 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm
More evidence for why blacks loathe the GOP:
Glenn Beck, the birthers, and the teabaggers are the face of the GOP.
One that we don’t especially like.
50 Starship Mechanic // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:18 pm
This is what you get when you start defining yourself by what you hate, rather than what you love. Even if the GOP does not consciously intend to foment racism or appeal to racists (and I personally think that they intend both, because it helps them get cheap votes), its general negativity appeals to this sort of person.
Reagan was not the Great President that people remember him being. He made many mistakes. He was wrong about many things. He ran up a gigantic deficit. But people remember him fondly because at least the guy was positive! We live in an age of conservative negativity. The Democrats have their own problems, but they really hit the nail on the head when they called the GOP “The Party of No”.
51 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I love how every democrat hack repeats the exact same talking points about the GOP being the party of no. Come up with some original, you mindless statist.
We aren’t the party of No. We are the party of Hell No to high taxes, governmnet run healthcare, runaway spending, printing money that we don’t have, cap and tax, etc
Pretentious no-nothing liberals should keep their advice to themselves. You ought to be more concerned about making some kind of defense for Obama’s policies, which most Americans seem to be rejecting right now. :0
52 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Global warmers are the ones in denial. They’ve attacked conservative’s intelligence for years on the global warming for years, and the fact is we’ve experienced a global cooling trend since 1998 despite increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. Their ego won’t let them admit they were wrong and silly alarmist fools on this issue.
53 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Liberals are the racists. They like to exploit black’s natural disdain for white racism by smearing their political opponents as racists with no proof. This is race baiting and it is racism.
54 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Nobody is ever going to take you serriously if you insult people as “teabaggers”, a crude sexual act, simply because they engage in peaceful protests of an over-reaching government. You’ve established that you are callow.
55 Starship Mechanic // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:38 pm
There you go again, ranting about what you hate. By the way, I’m not a Democrat. I’m not even an American. Your politics are distorted by your fear of being “socialist”. It’s not that you don’t have socialist policies; you just don’t like the appearance of being socialist. The Conservative Midwest hates socialism, but loves its decades of generous farm subsidies and agricultural trade protectionism. The Industrial Northeast hates socialism, but loves industrial trade protectionism and car manufacturer bailouts. Military contractors hate socialism, but they love the fact that their entire income is derived from government contracts which keep shoveling more money into their trough no matter how badly they go over budget.
Rather than define yourself by labels, you should define yourself by solutions. Or you can just keep bashing “pretentious liberals”.
56 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:44 pm
You are a Democrat, and you are a socialist. Have the courage of your convictions….stop being so insecure.
I’m not sure what solution Obama has offered, unless 10% unemployment, and an effective 17% unemployment if you cuont those that have just given up and those that took temporary part-time jobs.
You like to lecture conservatives abuot what we should do to win, despite having no desire for us to win. This is smarmy by definition.
57 Starship Mechanic // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Attacks on global warming come from the same place as attacks on evolution theory. You even hear the same kind of rhetoric: “growing numbers of scientists dispute …” and negative remarks about “mainstream science …” and quotes from scientists taken out of context to make it appear as if they’re saying something much different than what they’re saying (one favourite: quoting a scientist’s dispute with a particular prediction and acting as if the scientist is dismissing the entire theory, or blaming scientists for inaccurate statements by journalists).
And then of course, there are the incredibly simplistic attempts to disprove complex theories with common-sense arguments that can be expressed in a few sentences and which could never possibly address the complicated models under dispute here. You can’t even write a typical university lab report in less than 20 pages, and people think they can knock down peer-reviewed theories with something they found on the Internet and can express in 20 words or less. Or even more hilariously, with a Youtube video or a link to a blog.
I almost forgot to mention the attacks on emotional motivation: creationists accuse scientists of having some evil Nazi agenda, and anti-global warming people accuse scientists of being “alarmists” as if they are serving some emotional impulse. Do you really think anyone actually WANTS to be told that his own lifestyle should be curtailed in order to limit environmental damage? I like my steak dinners, I like my car, I like my manufactured goods. I don’t accept the greenhouse gas theory because of what I want; I accept it because the specialists in the relevant field do, and all of the arguments I’ve heard against it eventually turn out to be either unqualified or dishonest (or more often, both).
58 Starship Mechanic // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:48 pm
You really can’t get over this knee-jerk reflex of labeling me and then dismissing everything I say, can you?
59 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 2:57 pm
You can’t get over me labeling you accurately.
You are never going to persuade other people to be liberals if you won’t admit that’s what you.
60 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Anybody that thinks we are heading for an environmnetal doomsday because of CO2, which is required for life on this earth, is an alarmist fool. There’s always been alarmists, and history always proves them to be just that.
Global warming isn’t a complex theory…it’s as simplistic one that suggests that one variable…CO2, not even 4% of all greenhouse gases….can raise global temperatures signifantly. This defies logic….climate is much more complex than this.
Science has become politicized, and if your peers are liberals and you “research” concludes that global warming is true, of course they are going to sign off on it. They are already at that conclusion and they retrofit their “facts” to fit their pre-determined findings.
61 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Just a bunch of peaceful protesters? Then I don’t think Mr. Kostrick did your movement a whole lot of good carrying a weapon to a speech by president Obama:
This is what the conservative movement looks like to those of us outside the bubble.
It’s not about race. It’s about teh crazy.
Come next spring after Obama has humbled them by passing health care legislation and failing to succumb to a revelation of his Kenyan heritage to bring down his administration the Right is going to go howling whack crazy all summer and any advantage that can be expected by any party during mid-terms is going to be blunted by the continuing freak show of Michelle Bachmann, Glenn Beck, and the ever popular Rush Limbaugh.
You want them on your side when they rouse the rabble to protest taxees hat have stayed the same or gone down, but when the rabble shows up armed and talking about killing tyrants, it’s not so much of a positive. Meanwhile, the left’s armed revolutionaries of the 60’s are geriatric patients, old cranks who are zero threat.
The next Tim McVeigh, the avenger of the Right however is primed and ready to go off.
62 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 6:19 pm
rbottoms,
“The GOP is frozen in a time warp in which welfare reform nevr happened and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan still command legions of followers instead of being the old washed up men they are today. And they were only elevated to their lofty position by a media looking for someone to be the spokesmen for all the blacks in America instead of seeing us as individuals who make our own choice based on our own needs.”
I agree. The problem you have should be brought up with the media since anytime they need a “Black Opinion” they put on Sharpton or Jackson. They are presented as basically the Presidents of Black America. Which we both know is ridiculous.
“You could try finally ditching the Confederate flag defense. It’s as offensive to me as the swastika, and by the way we’re not stupid enough to believe that Joe Wilson’s membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans had nothing to do with his disrespect to president Obama during his speech.”
My ancestors were Union Soldiers. The Confederate Flag is an offensive symbol to me and I consider it Anti-American to fly the flag. I live in Texas but I am originally from Upstate NY. My Family has been Republican since since the mid 1800’s.
“What was gained by the psychotic reaction to Obama’s planned speech to school kids?”
That was just plain insane and unfortunately racial overtones were an element. It was despicable and I won’t defend it. I was against the planned essay on “How to help President Obama” since that was way too partisan, but the whole ruckus about not allowing kids to see the speech was absolutely stupid, counter productive, petty, and ridiculous.
“Do you really think we can support the party that’s against the minimum wage when so many of us live on exactly that level of income?”
I support the Minimum Wage as do most GOP voters. It’s the far right that doesn’t. The last President to sign a Minimum Wage increase was President Bush.
Though I will add though that it is not some painless regulation either. It does hurt a lot of small businesses struggling to get by, which is why big companies like Wal-Mart champion it. I think the Minimum Wage should be indexed to inflation and their should be adequate tax relief to small businesses to offset the burdens of the minimum wage.
“The party’s own actions, and it’s still essentially lily white mostly male composition do you in with black men and especially black women.”
But that’s the problem. If we try outreach to minority communities they reject us because we are mostly white. But since they won’t join how are we supposed to change that?
There are a lot of Hispanics, Asians, and Blacks that agree with out policies and conservatism a lot more then they do with the Democratic Party. I agree we need to dramatically change the face of our party and how we appeal to Minority Communities. But we also need minorities who agree with us but think we are doing a piss poor job of understanding and reaching out to minorities to come aboard and change us from the inside.
63 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 6:39 pm
- By trying in years other than one divisible by four
- By recruiting serious black talent for political office and not lunatics like Alan Keyes
- By advertising in black media and on black radio especially
- By not giving up and trying again since right now the GOP is at zero and setting targets that extend a decade in the future and not just who you can knock off in the next election
And mostly by admitting the problem exists in the first place. Don’t get me wrong, I will still be rooting for your guys to lose but at the very least whatever race they’re in were less likely to hear a little less of the insane talk that makes us despise the party rather than just oppose it.
Republicans are my political enemy, not my personal enemy. I don’t believe in any of the same things they do, or more precisely I don’t subscribe to their point of view, but they are still citizens, Americans and as such the only place to do battle is at the ballot box.
Before the crash I made more money in the space of a few years than my father did in his entire life. I’ve paid more in taxes the last decade than some people make in earnings.
I ought to be a Republican, but the party is too damn crazy over abortion, school prayer, evolution !!???, and the use of military power.
The Iraq war has been a disaster yet Republicans in serious numbers were defending George Bush virtually up until the day Rumsfeld was finally fired and something was finally done about the serious effort we were making to lose that war.
The country was virtually unanimous in support for stomping the Taliban and Al Queda in Afghanistan yet that war has been going on longer than World I & World War II combined. It can not be seriously put forth that Obama was expected to fix that mess in eight months.
The country, the world was staring into an abyss one year ago and it’s a miracle that we didn’t have a crash the size of a second Great Depression.
Acknowledge those screwups and more importantly come up with some real proposals to do something about them. The loudest voices in the GOP are shouting Obama is a Marxist selling us out.
Folks like David Frum and others like him, who I hold responsible for helping inflict George Bush on us in the first place, are now saying the GOP needs to be something else, do something else.
Okay fine. Have at it. Unfortunately quite a few members of your party haven’t gotten the memo that says the first thing to do when in a hole is to stop digging.
64 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 6:48 pm
“- By trying in years other than one divisible by four
- By recruiting serious black talent for political office and not lunatics like Alan Keyes
- By advertising in black media and on black radio especially
- By not giving up and trying again since right now the GOP is at zero and setting targets that extend a decade in the future and not just who you can knock off in the next election”
Good points.
“The country, the world was staring into an abyss one year ago and it’s a miracle that we didn’t have a crash the size of a second Great Depression.”
Let me get this straight. Anything bad that is happening is his predecessors fault, I mean how could Obama possibly solve anything in just nine months.
But if something positive happens it’s all to Obama’s credit?
As for Afghanistan, I actually have been very supportive of his handling on Afghanistan until recently. I thought he got together a crack team and his decision to send 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan was just what was needed. It’s his dithering on Afghanistan right now that I can’t support. And he is only doing so because the left wing of his party won’t get behind a troop surge.
“The loudest voices in the GOP are shouting Obama is a Marxist selling us out. ”
As a posed to the loudest voices in the Democratic Party who were screaming Bush was a Fascist and selling us out?
65 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Find me quote where I said that and I’ll be happy to discuss its implications.
George W. Bush is possibly the worst president in American history and Obama’s eight months in office is barely time to scratch the surface of finding what Bush screwed up much less fix it.
His trillion dollar war in Iraq was on the verge of collapse about 16 months ago thank the Lord the surge worked (or at least half worked because none of the political objectives were met). Bush gets credit for not losing one war though he tried pretty damn hard to do so.
Because going with your gut snap decisions seemed to work so well.
If he was doing such a wonderful job what would it matter as long as 49% of the country + 2% thought otherwise. If McCain was such a prize and Palin the lightning in a bottle it was claimed why did Obama get not only the 2% swing vote but another 2% from your side? He still would have won but without wining both houses of congress.
If you can’t admit Bush was a disaster you’ll never fix your problems and frankly I hope you don’t If cooler heads keep the guns at home next year feel free to go on about all the rest. But you know what that will mean for the future, electoral Armageddon.
The demographics says it’s coming. Past performance says it’s coming.
Moose & Squirrel in 2012 will be Kobyashi Maru. And my guy isn’t Khan.
66 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 7:41 pm
“Find me quote where I said that and I’ll be happy to discuss its implications.”
I took this to mean you were crediting Obama:
“The country, the world was staring into an abyss one year ago and it’s a miracle that we didn’t have a crash the size of a second Great Depression.”
If I was wrong to interpret it that way I will gladly retract my statement.
“Because going with your gut snap decisions seemed to work so well.”
What gut snap decision? The General he put in charge to give him a no bull read out on the situation in Afghanistan and a clear strategy for victory gives him one after months of review.
Bush was wrong for ignoring his Generals but now it’s all right for Obama to ignore the recommendations of the General he put in charge to do just that?
“If you can’t admit Bush was a disaster”
Never said he wasn’t. On a whole host of issues he was absolutely dreadful.
“If McCain was such a prize and Palin the lightning in a bottle it was claimed why did Obama get not only the 2% swing vote but another 2% from your side? He still would have won but without wining both houses of congress.”
McCain was leading by between 3-5 points until the Market collapsed. I can’t predict and say McCain would have ultimately won if Lehman Brothers did not collapse but I can say pretty confidently it would have been a fairly close election otherwise. Before Lehemen Brothers I was pretty confident it was going to be another 51-48 election regardless of who ended up winning.
67 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 8:46 pm
That would be the financial bailouts and stabilization, including rescuing GM, AIG, and all the rest that kept the system from dissolving. Did some of the people responsible make themselves even richer in the process, yes.
Nose, meet face. cutting it off out of spite is a bad idea. Bush handed Obama a plate full of steaming cow pie to contend with and he has done an admirable job as he comes up on nine months.
A handful of Republicans supported the first round of financial rescue. None of them supported the second so credit them with averting disaster, no points for putting politics ahead of the country for round two. Come next year when the stimulus really kicks in there will be a lot of grateful workers who will help keep mid-term loses down.
Obama’s victory with health care will eliminate any chance of the GOP’s ability to claim they stopped Obama. In fact he survived the worst they had to throw at him and his falling numbers, which aren’t too awful anyway, have inched back up a point.
The old saying “Close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades” applies. Doesn’t matter if we beat you by 1 vote or 1 million, we beat you. Sitting presidents don’t get tossed very often and with enemies like Michelle Bachmann, well another old saying applies too: “Lord make my enemies ridiculous.”
The teabaggers will go insane next year in the primaries making the GOP run its most conservative )read craziest) candidates and push the so-called RINOS out of the way.
Instead of one Tancredo, you’ll have ten.
68 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 8:52 pm
As for Afghanistan, I’d like some thoughtful deliberation before send more troops to die thank you.
I don’t see the GOP Chickhawks lining up to volunteer to go fight, just more exhortations to fight to the last man, as look as that man isn’t them.
Is Glenn Beck going to go? He’s within the age limits? So is Jonah Goldberg and a host of other yapping pundits who scream for the head of Bin Laden but won’t suit up to actually go get him.
I did my bit. If you like I can point any one of them to the nearest Army Recruiting Station. Just remember, don’t believe anything that isn’t in writing when it comes to what MOS you get or what post your will be assigned. And sign up for just three at a time. You’re committed for six no matter what but doing it a three year hitch at a time is easier to bite off.
69 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 8:57 pm
A little more of this from the GOP will go a long way:
King is probably one of the worst members of congress to ever bear the name, but that doesn’t mean he can never do anything worthwhile. It’s all the difference between merely disliking the policies of the party and despising it.
More. Louder.
70 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The Great White Hope. One of the most inspirational movies I ever saw as a teenager, James Earle Jones was like a god back then.
“He could beat any white man in the world. He just couldn’t beat all of them.”
71 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:41 pm
“As for Afghanistan, I’d like some thoughtful deliberation before send more troops to die thank you.”
If that’s what it is fine. If it’s trying to find a way to please his left wing then that’s where he loses me.
And don’t start that chicken hawk bull crap. This is the “Good War” remember. The ones the Democrats were supposedly determined to win no matter what. Or at least that is what they were saying during campaign time. I don’t see too many Democratic Politicians or Pundits flooding recruitment centers to go and fight the “Good War” either.
I plan on joining up myself after Graduation. I’m not sure which branch I have friends and family in almost all of them and they all have told me the pro’s and con’s of each of their respective branches. It’s just something I have always wanted to do, even if it’s not for a career, at least for a few years. Though there are many Democrats in the Military, most recruits come overwhelmingly from Red States. The Military voted 55-44% for McCain. So there are plenty of Center Right folks out there who “Walk the Walk” as well.
72 spikeytx86 // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm
“A little more of this from the GOP will go a long way:”
I agree and good on them.
As for you stating the GOP hated MLK J.R. earlier, it was the Kennedy Administration that had him followed and investigated.
Which is worse not voting for him to have his own holiday, which he richly deserved having, or dispatching the FBI to treat him like an enemy of the state?
73 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 9:54 pm
“The next Tim McVeigh, the avenger of the Right however is primed and ready to go off”
Hyperbole, much. Leftwingers like you just project conservativism onto Tim McVeigh although there is evidence that he had pro-Islamic terrorist sympathies.
It’s amusing to note that the Left completely ignored the leftwinger that gunned down an anti-abortion protestor earlier this year.
74 rbottoms // Oct 19, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Diety on a pogo-stick, is it too much to ask to be accurately quoted.
Find exactly where I said the GOP hated Martin Luther King? What they did do was imply he was a communist. Rather than standing up for the man when asked whether MLK was a commie, St. Ronald said we’ll know in about 35 years.
The bill McCain introduced is to make up for his own vote against the holiday.
During that same period the Republicans failed to come out against apartheid in South Africa, more concerned with playing chess against the Soviets than doing what was right. It isn’t the GOP that help set Neslon Mandella free.
It’s not hate, it’s insults, stupidity, insensitivity, and lack of concern for what matters to black America. It’s the assumption that the only thing that matters to us is welfare and not the same concerns that every other person in America has.
We know it and we show our displeasure at the polls.
We didn’t ignore it. It’s just that we don’t have an entire industry devoted harassing women engaging in a completely legal medical procedure nor do we routinely make the worship of guns a centerpiece of our political activity. We’re the people who tried for two decades to ban handguns until we decided screw it, you want you guns you can have them. The result one more death on the streets of America, no different than the hundreds of times a year it happens to someone else.
So now the meme, Tim McVeigh really wasn’t a militia believer and follower of the Turner Diaries, he was secretly an Islamic terrorist?
Go sell crazy some place else. We’re full up here.
75 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Your proof of Timothy McVeigh being a conservative is that he blew up a building. That’s crazy. You have no clue what his politics were…it’s just convenient for you to label him a conservative because he was a white male.
76 Conservative Intellectual // Oct 19, 2009 at 10:49 pm
My problem with black voters is they seem to think conservatives are suppose to bend over for them to get their vote. Vote with us if you agree with us, but don’t think we have to kiss your ass.
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78 rbottoms // Oct 20, 2009 at 12:52 am
Unlike any other interest group of course.
Hey, ignore and demean us. Fine with me, it’s not like I want the GOP to win.
79 rbottoms // Oct 20, 2009 at 12:52 am
Unlike any other interest group of course. Hey, ignore and demean us. Fine with me, it’s not like I want the GOP to win.
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81 brandon // Oct 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm
But rbottoms, don’t the Democrats also ignore and demean African American voters. They at least take them for granted. If I know I’m automatically going to get your vote no matter what, then I have no need to worry at all about your concerns.
82 rbottoms // Oct 20, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Yes, it’s gotten so bad one of got elected president.
Damn you Democratic party.
83 rbottoms // Oct 20, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Are Republicans just plain stupid? Insane?
I not even joking or asking a snarky question. What in Jesus’ name is wrong with you people?
There’s just no point to even trying.
84 brandon // Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 am
The president is just one office. Don’t you think Congress would be more concerned about their African American constituents if they knew their vote was in play?
85 rbottoms // Oct 21, 2009 at 1:03 am
Get back to me when you have more than zero black Republicans in the House & Senate.
86 rbottoms // Oct 21, 2009 at 1:23 am
I’ll even throw you a bone.
Explain to me how it is in 40 years you haven’t managed to make Earl Graves Jr. a Congressman or Senator. And shock me by knowing who he is and why his name makes sense without having to Google it.
87 Rod // Oct 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Well…..at least he’s right about the global warming part.
88 brandon // Oct 22, 2009 at 12:04 am
rbottoms, the only Earl Graves I know of was a NBA basketball player, but I couldn’t tell you what he does now or anything he has to do with politics.
I agree the Republican Party has not done enough outreach or been effective and getting our message across to most of the African American community.
But I would argue the Democrats take your vote for granted. Let’s take an issue that effects the black population more than the white, big city public school systems.
What have the Democrats done to help educate minority school children in Washington, Detroit, Philadelphia, the Bronx, New Orleans, Chicago etc. All these cities are run by your party and have been for some time, yet the schools are third world level.
You really think most Democrats give a damn about African Americans other than on election day?
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