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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poly - I would congratulate you on a succinct but excellent analysis, except for one glaring flaw.

&lt;b&gt;I’ll set #1 aside assuming many don’t support that under any conditions and almost all the rest would accept it only as a last resort.&lt;/b&gt;

Sadly, there are a substantial number of people who prefer military action to any negotiation.

Personally, I am quite certain that at the end of the day Dick Cheney was quite dissatisfied that his hireling would not bomb Iran&#039;s known or suspected weapons sites before their Administration lost the power to do so.  And that the 10% of Americans who still give Cheney &quot;Very Favorable&quot; ratings almost no doubt would be wholly supportive of continuing our doctrine of preventative war that Bush started with his invasion of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poly &#8211; I would congratulate you on a succinct but excellent analysis, except for one glaring flaw.</p>
<p>I’ll set #1 aside assuming many don’t support that under any conditions and almost all the rest would accept it only as a last resort.</p>
<p>Sadly, there are a substantial number of people who prefer military action to any negotiation.</p>
<p>Personally, I am quite certain that at the end of the day Dick Cheney was quite dissatisfied that his hireling would not bomb Iran&#8217;s known or suspected weapons sites before their Administration lost the power to do so.  And that the 10% of Americans who still give Cheney &#8220;Very Favorable&#8221; ratings almost no doubt would be wholly supportive of continuing our doctrine of preventative war that Bush started with his invasion of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: poly</title>
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		<dc:creator>poly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe 4 possibilities???

1. Military action
2. Don&#039;t negotiate
3. Negotiate without preconditions
4. Negotiate with preconditions

I&#039;ll set #1 aside assuming many don&#039;t support that under any conditions and almost all the rest would accept it only as a last resort.

Likewise, #2 gets shelved as it can&#039;t accomplish anything.

We&#039;re left with 3 and 4. Now, from here we have the following paths to conclusion.

A. Negotiate without preconditions and Iran doesn&#039;t develop nuclear weapons.
B. Negotiate without preconditions and Iran develops nuclear weapons.
C. Set preconditions that Iran accepts, negotiate, and they don&#039;t develop nuclear weapons.
D. Set preconditions that Iran accepts, negotiate, and they do develop nuclear weapons.
E. Set preconditions that aren&#039;t accepted, don&#039;t negotiate.

We can drop E as it&#039;s the same as #2 above.

Paths A-D indicate that with or without preconditions, negotiations could fail and Iran could still develop nuclear weapons, but success requires negotiation. This implies that setting preconditions isn&#039;t necessary to prevent a nuclear Iran, but actually negotiating is necessary.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe 4 possibilities???</p>
<p>1. Military action<br />
2. Don&#8217;t negotiate<br />
3. Negotiate without preconditions<br />
4. Negotiate with preconditions</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll set #1 aside assuming many don&#8217;t support that under any conditions and almost all the rest would accept it only as a last resort.</p>
<p>Likewise, #2 gets shelved as it can&#8217;t accomplish anything.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re left with 3 and 4. Now, from here we have the following paths to conclusion.</p>
<p>A. Negotiate without preconditions and Iran doesn&#8217;t develop nuclear weapons.<br />
B. Negotiate without preconditions and Iran develops nuclear weapons.<br />
C. Set preconditions that Iran accepts, negotiate, and they don&#8217;t develop nuclear weapons.<br />
D. Set preconditions that Iran accepts, negotiate, and they do develop nuclear weapons.<br />
E. Set preconditions that aren&#8217;t accepted, don&#8217;t negotiate.</p>
<p>We can drop E as it&#8217;s the same as #2 above.</p>
<p>Paths A-D indicate that with or without preconditions, negotiations could fail and Iran could still develop nuclear weapons, but success requires negotiation. This implies that setting preconditions isn&#8217;t necessary to prevent a nuclear Iran, but actually negotiating is necessary.</p>
<p>iso</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before Israel existed, the United States didn&#039;t have any enemies in the middle east.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before Israel existed, the United States didn&#8217;t have any enemies in the middle east.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It’s a prestige issue for the United States, since it reverses forty years of precedent against direct dickering with the militant mullahs.  &lt;/b&gt;

Backroom arms deals with militant mullahs engineered from the White House basement being far preferable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a prestige issue for the United States, since it reverses forty years of precedent against direct dickering with the militant mullahs.  </p>
<p>Backroom arms deals with militant mullahs engineered from the White House basement being far preferable.</p>
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