Comments on: Striking a Tea Party Balance http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Fairy Hardcastle http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-146046 Fairy Hardcastle Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:16:44 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-146046 JimBob, good point on pro-life. Boola, you are clearly wrong. The ultimate expression of a too-powerful government is the depersonalization of humans. Thus libertarian thought must be against any government attempt to depersonalize a human being. Abortion depersonalizes an unborn boy or girl who has a natural right to life. JimBob, good point on pro-life. Boola, you are clearly wrong. The ultimate expression of a too-powerful government is the depersonalization of humans. Thus libertarian thought must be against any government attempt to depersonalize a human being. Abortion depersonalizes an unborn boy or girl who has a natural right to life.

]]> By: JimBob http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133764 JimBob Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:39:55 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133764 bottoms, government spending doesn't create growth or wealth. How many times throughout history do these so called top economist have to be proven wrong before people realize they don't know what they're talking about. bottoms, government spending doesn’t create growth or wealth. How many times throughout history do these so called top economist have to be proven wrong before people realize they don’t know what they’re talking about.

]]> By: JimBob http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133763 JimBob Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:37:06 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133763 Boola, I guess you're not that up to date on libertarianism http://www.l4l.org/ Boola, I guess you’re not that up to date on libertarianism

http://www.l4l.org/

]]> By: rbottoms http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133695 rbottoms Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:13:20 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133695 <blockquote> There is nothing “incoherent” about being a pro-choice fiscal conservative. </blockquote> What's incoherent is being a pro-choice fiscal conservative who supports the GOP, home of religious zealots and anti-intellectual nuts. There is nothing “incoherent” about being a pro-choice fiscal conservative.

What’s incoherent is being a pro-choice fiscal conservative who supports the GOP, home of religious zealots and anti-intellectual nuts.

]]> By: rbottoms http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133694 rbottoms Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:11:38 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133694 Tough crowd for a message of economic common sense, especially if your leaders make not having any a badge of honor. <blockquote> <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/01/boehner-anti-intellectualism/" rel="nofollow"> WALLACE: Congressman — a number of top economists say what we need is more economic stimulus. BOEHNER: Well, I don’t need to see GDP numbers or to listen to economists. All I need to do is listen to the American people, because they’ve been asking the question now for 18 months, “where are the jobs?”</a> </blockquote> The Democrats biggest hope in November is the the GOP will continue to try to out-crazy each other in order to kiss teabagger ass. Tough crowd for a message of economic common sense, especially if your leaders make not having any a badge of honor.

WALLACE: Congressman — a number of top economists say what we need is more economic stimulus.

BOEHNER: Well, I don’t need to see GDP numbers or to listen to economists. All I need to do is listen to the American people, because they’ve been asking the question now for 18 months, “where are the jobs?”

The Democrats biggest hope in November is the the GOP will continue to try to out-crazy each other in order to kiss teabagger ass.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133318 sinz54 Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:59:46 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133318 Mr. Holt, There is nothing "incoherent" about being a pro-choice fiscal conservative. It can easily be defended on the grounds that the government shouldn't be running either your business or your bedroom. Provided that one also accepts that a first-trimester fetus's brain hasn't yet developed to the point that it can be considered a person capable of intellectual thought. Mr. Holt,

There is nothing “incoherent” about being a pro-choice fiscal conservative.

It can easily be defended on the grounds that the government shouldn’t be running either your business or your bedroom. Provided that one also accepts that a first-trimester fetus’s brain hasn’t yet developed to the point that it can be considered a person capable of intellectual thought.

]]> By: BoolaBoola http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133101 BoolaBoola Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:04:49 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133101 Ron Paul is a right-to-lifer. That means he is by definition not libertarian. Ron Paul is a right-to-lifer. That means he is by definition not libertarian.

]]> By: JimBob http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133080 JimBob Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:53:50 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133080 Ron Paul does not favor open borders and he's certainly not an isolationist. Not supporting NeoCon wars in the Middle East is hardly isolationism. The real isolationist are those that support economic sanctions and blockades. Cuba a small country 90 miles from the United States and we don't trade with them. Ron Paul's message of limited government peace, commerce, and friendship has broad appeal that crosses party lines. Ron Paul does not favor open borders and he’s certainly not an isolationist. Not supporting NeoCon wars in the Middle East is hardly isolationism. The real isolationist are those that support economic sanctions and blockades. Cuba a small country 90 miles from the United States and we don’t trade with them.

Ron Paul’s message of limited government peace, commerce, and friendship has broad appeal that crosses party lines.

]]> By: SkepticalIdealist http://www.frumforum.com/striking-a-tea-party-balance/comment-page-1#comment-133063 SkepticalIdealist Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:15:53 +0000 http://www.frumforum.com/?p=39178#comment-133063 To write off Bush as if he weren't a Fiscal Conservative is typical, but fundamentally dishonest. Reagan left us with about a 200 billion dollar deficit, and Bush Sr. made it worse with a 300 dollar deficit. Clinton came into office and his advisors basically told him that he wouldn't be able to invest in education, healthcare, and infrastructure like he promised on the campaign. All that had to put on the back burner because Clinton, the so called tax-and-spend liberal, had to take care of the deficit. He did exactly that, he left this country with a large surplus. Bush comes into office and he leaves the economy in a worse condition than it's been since the 1930's. The champion of fiscal conservatism left us with a trillion dollar deficit. That's not an accident. It's by design. Conservatives do that on purpose, so when the Democrats get into power they can fear monger about the deficit and prevent them from helping the working class. Why? Because that sometimes results in growing the size of government. And that is unacceptable, no matter what the result may be. For liberals the ends of helping the poor justifies the means. For conservatives, it is the means of small government that justifies any ends. Even the destruction of middle class America. Again, this is the deficit created by the right-wing movement that elected right-wing politicians. So riddle me this, why is it that we can pay off military contractors, give the wealthiest Americans massive tax cuts, abolish the capital gains and the estate tax, and put that ALL on our tab - yet when it comes time to invest in every day working Americans, that is the time conservatives choose to scream about the deficit? A Fiscal Conservative is someone who cuts taxes, increases spending, and leaves us with a massive deficit. All I know is I'm voting for a tax-and-spend liberal because they seem to be the only ones who know how to balance a freakin budget. To write off Bush as if he weren’t a Fiscal Conservative is typical, but fundamentally dishonest. Reagan left us with about a 200 billion dollar deficit, and Bush Sr. made it worse with a 300 dollar deficit. Clinton came into office and his advisors basically told him that he wouldn’t be able to invest in education, healthcare, and infrastructure like he promised on the campaign. All that had to put on the back burner because Clinton, the so called tax-and-spend liberal, had to take care of the deficit. He did exactly that, he left this country with a large surplus. Bush comes into office and he leaves the economy in a worse condition than it’s been since the 1930’s. The champion of fiscal conservatism left us with a trillion dollar deficit.

That’s not an accident. It’s by design. Conservatives do that on purpose, so when the Democrats get into power they can fear monger about the deficit and prevent them from helping the working class. Why? Because that sometimes results in growing the size of government. And that is unacceptable, no matter what the result may be. For liberals the ends of helping the poor justifies the means. For conservatives, it is the means of small government that justifies any ends. Even the destruction of middle class America.

Again, this is the deficit created by the right-wing movement that elected right-wing politicians. So riddle me this, why is it that we can pay off military contractors, give the wealthiest Americans massive tax cuts, abolish the capital gains and the estate tax, and put that ALL on our tab – yet when it comes time to invest in every day working Americans, that is the time conservatives choose to scream about the deficit?

A Fiscal Conservative is someone who cuts taxes, increases spending, and leaves us with a massive deficit. All I know is I’m voting for a tax-and-spend liberal because they seem to be the only ones who know how to balance a freakin budget.

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