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		<title>By: jason42</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc had plenty of time to voice his opinion. He wasted his time complaining, or interrupting Jon, or evading the questions. At the interview&#039;s end Marc was exposed as a whiny child. Next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc had plenty of time to voice his opinion. He wasted his time complaining, or interrupting Jon, or evading the questions. At the interview&#8217;s end Marc was exposed as a whiny child. Next!</p>
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		<title>By: hopeychangey</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeychangey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try. Timed the interview.  Marc spoke for 4:42 (I only timed him when he was speaking *by himself*), - the full interview was 9:45, which makes the &quot;Marc-uninterrupted&quot; percentage 48%. 

Not sure how a near 1 to 1 ratio of guest/host speaking time can be called a &quot;filibuster&quot;...

Marc claiming that Jon &quot;talked over&quot; all of his talking points were not supported by facts (of course, that seems to be a theme with the right-wing crowd).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try. Timed the interview.  Marc spoke for 4:42 (I only timed him when he was speaking *by himself*), &#8211; the full interview was 9:45, which makes the &#8220;Marc-uninterrupted&#8221; percentage 48%. </p>
<p>Not sure how a near 1 to 1 ratio of guest/host speaking time can be called a &#8220;filibuster&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Marc claiming that Jon &#8220;talked over&#8221; all of his talking points were not supported by facts (of course, that seems to be a theme with the right-wing crowd).</p>
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		<title>By: ratgov</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratgov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that got Stewart so worked up, and what made him take the extra time, was that he was trying to get Thiessen to agree that there are arguments on both sides about using waterboarding and other disputed interrogation techniques.  But this guy was so adamant that if you did not fully believe his case you didn&#039;t just have a different opinion that Thiessen thought was wrong, you were actively trying to damage the United States.  It is incredibly frustrating to try and argue with someone that won&#039;t even acknowledge the arguments of the other side.  I think that&#039;s why Stewart didn&#039;t give him as much time as he normally would to a speaker, although he did still get almost 50%.  It was this point, that Thiessen would not budge from (the notion that anyone that disagreed with him was simply pro terrorism and wanted America to be hit by more terrorism) that threw Stewart off so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that got Stewart so worked up, and what made him take the extra time, was that he was trying to get Thiessen to agree that there are arguments on both sides about using waterboarding and other disputed interrogation techniques.  But this guy was so adamant that if you did not fully believe his case you didn&#8217;t just have a different opinion that Thiessen thought was wrong, you were actively trying to damage the United States.  It is incredibly frustrating to try and argue with someone that won&#8217;t even acknowledge the arguments of the other side.  I think that&#8217;s why Stewart didn&#8217;t give him as much time as he normally would to a speaker, although he did still get almost 50%.  It was this point, that Thiessen would not budge from (the notion that anyone that disagreed with him was simply pro terrorism and wanted America to be hit by more terrorism) that threw Stewart off so much.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin47</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the interviewer absorbs as much time than the interviewee, that&#039;s pretty much putting it in Hannity territory.  Stewart is usually pretty funny, but when he has an agenda, he becomes preachy and uninteresting (like virtually every entertainer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the interviewer absorbs as much time than the interviewee, that&#8217;s pretty much putting it in Hannity territory.  Stewart is usually pretty funny, but when he has an agenda, he becomes preachy and uninteresting (like virtually every entertainer).</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>edsbowlingshoe... got another name you usually go by here?

ed tosses a gutter ball with: &quot;the guy who wrote the legal docs legalizing torture in the US&quot;

Um, no.  No one authorized or legalized torture in the US.  EIT are not torture.  Your own heavily staffed ACLU division of the DOJ in Obama&#039;s Administration cleared the authors of those documents you wrongly contend &quot;legalized torture&quot;.

I guess when the bowling alley is shut-down, the farLeft will still be screaming from the loose balls room that &quot;Cheney Tortured&quot;.  It&#039;s so sad; you&#039;d think the same people who still cry about WMDs not being in Iraq --even after all the proof-- would realize no one is listening to them anymore.  Not even Obama, our newest Warrior President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edsbowlingshoe&#8230; got another name you usually go by here?</p>
<p>ed tosses a gutter ball with: &#8220;the guy who wrote the legal docs legalizing torture in the US&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, no.  No one authorized or legalized torture in the US.  EIT are not torture.  Your own heavily staffed ACLU division of the DOJ in Obama&#8217;s Administration cleared the authors of those documents you wrongly contend &#8220;legalized torture&#8221;.</p>
<p>I guess when the bowling alley is shut-down, the farLeft will still be screaming from the loose balls room that &#8220;Cheney Tortured&#8221;.  It&#8217;s so sad; you&#8217;d think the same people who still cry about WMDs not being in Iraq &#8211;even after all the proof&#8211; would realize no one is listening to them anymore.  Not even Obama, our newest Warrior President.</p>
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		<title>By: edsbowlingshoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>edsbowlingshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love Independent&#039;s classic line, &quot;People of character, like John Yoo and Marc Thiessen.&quot; Yeah - people of character, like the guy who wrote the legal docs legalizing torture in the US, and the most prominent torture defender in the US, at the moment.  Who are your other heroes? Let me guess: Head of the Spanish Inquisition - check. Warden of the Lubyanka - check. Prison guard from &quot;Midnight Express&quot; - check.   Are you kidding me with this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love Independent&#8217;s classic line, &#8220;People of character, like John Yoo and Marc Thiessen.&#8221; Yeah &#8211; people of character, like the guy who wrote the legal docs legalizing torture in the US, and the most prominent torture defender in the US, at the moment.  Who are your other heroes? Let me guess: Head of the Spanish Inquisition &#8211; check. Warden of the Lubyanka &#8211; check. Prison guard from &#8220;Midnight Express&#8221; &#8211; check.   Are you kidding me with this?</p>
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		<title>By: jcubed</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think stephenson is pretty spot on.  Jon has had many conservatives on his show in the past, and he has had some wonderful, intelligent, thoughtful discussions with them about various issues that they disagree on.  If contentious issues have been discussed with conservatives on The Daily Show before, and it&#039;s the same host this time, it would seem that however the interview went had more to do with Thiessen than Jon.  As opposed to other news sources, Jon doesn&#039;t simply give someone the green light to make any sort of claims that he or she wants to (which is good, as it seemed Thiessen was more than ready to simply prattle on for the entire interview).  If someone makes an argument that Jon finds to be fallacious (and I have to admit I tend to agree with him) or uses misleading facts or phrasing, Jon will step in and call them on it.  He tries to paraphrase the person&#039;s statement to make sure he isn&#039;t mischaracterizing it, and then proceeds to point out where he thinks the argument is at fault.

As dh points out, actual amounts of time spent talking are pretty much dead even, so that pretty clearly eliminates the &quot;filibustered&quot; argument.  The long and short of it is this: Marc went in there with his prepared spiel, which is pretty clear when you hear him making the same exact arguments, nearly word for word, in other interviews.  Jon was doing his usual job of pointing out misleading arguments and opinions, and I simply don&#039;t think Marc was entirely ready for it.  If you watch the completely unedited version online, there is one point towards the end where Jon asks him one VERY simply question about 20 times in a row because Marc simply will NOT answer it directly.  I think that&#039;s indicative of the interview as a whole.  Thiessen wasn&#039;t prepared or willing to be challenged, and his defense was to try and talk over Jon (which ultimately cost him time to speak) and avoid directly answering Jon&#039;s pointed questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think stephenson is pretty spot on.  Jon has had many conservatives on his show in the past, and he has had some wonderful, intelligent, thoughtful discussions with them about various issues that they disagree on.  If contentious issues have been discussed with conservatives on The Daily Show before, and it&#8217;s the same host this time, it would seem that however the interview went had more to do with Thiessen than Jon.  As opposed to other news sources, Jon doesn&#8217;t simply give someone the green light to make any sort of claims that he or she wants to (which is good, as it seemed Thiessen was more than ready to simply prattle on for the entire interview).  If someone makes an argument that Jon finds to be fallacious (and I have to admit I tend to agree with him) or uses misleading facts or phrasing, Jon will step in and call them on it.  He tries to paraphrase the person&#8217;s statement to make sure he isn&#8217;t mischaracterizing it, and then proceeds to point out where he thinks the argument is at fault.</p>
<p>As dh points out, actual amounts of time spent talking are pretty much dead even, so that pretty clearly eliminates the &#8220;filibustered&#8221; argument.  The long and short of it is this: Marc went in there with his prepared spiel, which is pretty clear when you hear him making the same exact arguments, nearly word for word, in other interviews.  Jon was doing his usual job of pointing out misleading arguments and opinions, and I simply don&#8217;t think Marc was entirely ready for it.  If you watch the completely unedited version online, there is one point towards the end where Jon asks him one VERY simply question about 20 times in a row because Marc simply will NOT answer it directly.  I think that&#8217;s indicative of the interview as a whole.  Thiessen wasn&#8217;t prepared or willing to be challenged, and his defense was to try and talk over Jon (which ultimately cost him time to speak) and avoid directly answering Jon&#8217;s pointed questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Practical girl points out a truism: &quot;You’re (franco 2) describing standard operating procedure... guests booked on any of these programs ... are there to either support the perspective of the host/show or serve as a counter example for the base&quot;.

For the 1st time in a long time, I watched David Letterman (whose real letter is evidently a big ol&#039; Scarlet A) interview Mitt Romney.  He asked Mitt about Sarah Palin&#039;s worthiness and Mitt responded in a way that drew the audience&#039;s near boo&#039;ing and ol&#039; David&#039;s squirming in his seat.  Mitt exited that uncomfortable moment by reminding the hearing-challenged Letterman that Sarah Palin hunts with a rifle.  Now that&#039;s character when you&#039;ve unwittingly made the host uncomfortable and you use his forte --humor-- to get the host out of another deep hole.

People of character, like John Yoo and Marc Thiessen and many others, can easily rebut low lifes like Jon Stewart or hacks like Chris Matthews or baiters like Larry O Donnell by their simple presence.  Stewart wasn&#039;t over prepped --he never has been, he&#039;s a stand-up jewish comic schlepping for the farLeft just like Bill Maher (when he can hold a job) or Al Franken or Lewis Black.

Stewart gets his intel from the comment threads over at the Daily Kos and Democrat Underground.  Thiessen has his informed by life and occupation --he was there at the event... not reading about what others say about events.

Stewart&#039;s audience continues to shrink and people tune out these radicalized, off-spectrum voices.  Jon will keep at it until he&#039;s back to doing stand-up in the Berkshires for obnoxious, over weight pathetic New Jersey jews &quot;out for some natural time&quot; in the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practical girl points out a truism: &#8220;You’re (franco 2) describing standard operating procedure&#8230; guests booked on any of these programs &#8230; are there to either support the perspective of the host/show or serve as a counter example for the base&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the 1st time in a long time, I watched David Letterman (whose real letter is evidently a big ol&#8217; Scarlet A) interview Mitt Romney.  He asked Mitt about Sarah Palin&#8217;s worthiness and Mitt responded in a way that drew the audience&#8217;s near boo&#8217;ing and ol&#8217; David&#8217;s squirming in his seat.  Mitt exited that uncomfortable moment by reminding the hearing-challenged Letterman that Sarah Palin hunts with a rifle.  Now that&#8217;s character when you&#8217;ve unwittingly made the host uncomfortable and you use his forte &#8211;humor&#8211; to get the host out of another deep hole.</p>
<p>People of character, like John Yoo and Marc Thiessen and many others, can easily rebut low lifes like Jon Stewart or hacks like Chris Matthews or baiters like Larry O Donnell by their simple presence.  Stewart wasn&#8217;t over prepped &#8211;he never has been, he&#8217;s a stand-up jewish comic schlepping for the farLeft just like Bill Maher (when he can hold a job) or Al Franken or Lewis Black.</p>
<p>Stewart gets his intel from the comment threads over at the Daily Kos and Democrat Underground.  Thiessen has his informed by life and occupation &#8211;he was there at the event&#8230; not reading about what others say about events.</p>
<p>Stewart&#8217;s audience continues to shrink and people tune out these radicalized, off-spectrum voices.  Jon will keep at it until he&#8217;s back to doing stand-up in the Berkshires for obnoxious, over weight pathetic New Jersey jews &#8220;out for some natural time&#8221; in the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: cporet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the hell should I care whether Jon Stewart won&#039;t allow his guest to speak. The Vice-President went to Isreal and they greeted him with over 600 more homes in East Jerusalem. Where is the outrage over this slap in the face of not just the VP, or the peace process he was trying to coax to life, but to all Americans.
Jon Stewart hosts a comedy show. It can be found on the Comedy Central network. Isreal is a nuclear power in the mideast and is looking to pick a fight. Where are our prioities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the hell should I care whether Jon Stewart won&#8217;t allow his guest to speak. The Vice-President went to Isreal and they greeted him with over 600 more homes in East Jerusalem. Where is the outrage over this slap in the face of not just the VP, or the peace process he was trying to coax to life, but to all Americans.<br />
Jon Stewart hosts a comedy show. It can be found on the Comedy Central network. Isreal is a nuclear power in the mideast and is looking to pick a fight. Where are our prioities?</p>
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		<title>By: dh2303</title>
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		<dc:creator>dh2303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Frum,
The televised version of the interview lasted for 9 minutes (from the beginning of Stewart&#039;s introduction to the beginning of Thiessen&#039;s protest about being talked over).  Thiessen spoke for 4:26, Stewart spoke for 4:34.  I don&#039;t think you can describe this as a fillibuster.  As for exchanges, there were many examples. I thought this exchange was particularly good: &#039;Here are attacks we stopped using enhanced interrogation (Thiessen)&#039;.  &#039;Well, here are attacks we stopped without using enhanced interrogation (Stewart).&#039;... leading to a discussion about whether you can say &#039;this makes us more safe and this other thing makes us less safe.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Frum,<br />
The televised version of the interview lasted for 9 minutes (from the beginning of Stewart&#8217;s introduction to the beginning of Thiessen&#8217;s protest about being talked over).  Thiessen spoke for 4:26, Stewart spoke for 4:34.  I don&#8217;t think you can describe this as a fillibuster.  As for exchanges, there were many examples. I thought this exchange was particularly good: &#8216;Here are attacks we stopped using enhanced interrogation (Thiessen)&#8217;.  &#8216;Well, here are attacks we stopped without using enhanced interrogation (Stewart).&#8217;&#8230; leading to a discussion about whether you can say &#8216;this makes us more safe and this other thing makes us less safe.&#8217;</p>
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