Comments on: Steele: Right The First Time http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:07:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: choccity2005 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-54109 choccity2005 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:00:56 +0000 #comment-54109 How can we say we stand for fiscal discipline,smaller government,lower deficits,and national defense and no government bailouts when ...BUSH DID THE ALL THOSE THINGS. WE want to oppose barack for it...yet who OPPOSED BUSH FOR IT?? WE want barack to fail for it...but no one not even might rush called for bush to fail.Rush sold us out and any conserv who never spoke up against those principles.Michale savage did,glenn beck did.Oreilly did....That's why they are all i listen too...cause they have credibility.David frum did. We still have senators and congressman.....voting for earmarks.Democrats like feingold and mccaskill are showing more principles by voting no and not putting earmarks in the bill......and they wonder why we keep losing elections. How can we say we stand for fiscal discipline,smaller government,lower deficits,and national defense and no government bailouts when …BUSH DID THE ALL THOSE THINGS.

WE want to oppose barack for it…yet who OPPOSED BUSH FOR IT??

WE want barack to fail for it…but no one not even might rush called for bush to fail.Rush sold us out and any conserv who never spoke up against those principles.Michale savage did,glenn beck did.Oreilly did….That’s why they are all i listen too…cause they have credibility.David frum did.

We still have senators and congressman…..voting for earmarks.Democrats like feingold and mccaskill are showing more principles by voting no and not putting earmarks in the bill……and they wonder why we keep losing elections.

]]> By: choccity2005 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-46410 choccity2005 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:54:46 +0000 #comment-46410 destinybender:Can i tell you why we loss the election. 1st off mark levin is a idiot who know one listens to.I prefer michael savage,andrew wilkow and glen beck cause thier not a bunch of ditto heads. We lost teh election b/c GEORGE BUSH Was president for 8 years!!A freaking laughingstock on every comedian and every late night/early moring talk show.katrina,Iraq,afahanistan...WMDs.If a democrat had made that many blunders...tell me rush would not be taking them apart every day.When did any of them call for bush to fail in anything other than amnesty.Conservs and repubs defended this man in his rampant government spending,increasing governemt,the first bailouts...george bush did that.increasing the deficit...george bush did that!!!No one in our party was loud enough to oppose bush.that's why mccain loss...every word,every comercial was how mccain represented 4 more years of george bush.bush's third term remember that!!!If it was any other repub but mccain it would be a 43 state win for obama.that's teh truth destinybender:Can i tell you why we loss the election.
1st off mark levin is a idiot who know one listens to.I prefer michael savage,andrew wilkow and glen beck cause thier not a bunch of ditto heads.

We lost teh election b/c GEORGE BUSH Was president for 8 years!!A freaking laughingstock on every comedian and every late night/early moring talk show.katrina,Iraq,afahanistan…WMDs.If a democrat had made that many blunders…tell me rush would not be taking them apart every day.When did any of them call for bush to fail in anything other than amnesty.Conservs and repubs defended this man in his rampant government spending,increasing governemt,the first bailouts…george bush did that.increasing the deficit…george bush did that!!!No one in our party was loud enough to oppose bush.that’s why mccain loss…every word,every comercial was how mccain represented 4 more years of george bush.bush’s third term remember that!!!If it was any other repub but mccain it would be a 43 state win for obama.that’s teh truth

]]> By: DestinyBender http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-48721 DestinyBender Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:26:14 +0000 #comment-48721 Mark Levin speaks for me as well. We tried things your way by nominating McCain and look how well that worked out. The radical liberal net roots took control of the Democrat party and they WON! First you bad-mouth President Bush and now Rush. If sniviling little putzim like you would direct your criticisms toward Dems instead of our Conservative Leaders we'd be alot better off. Mark Levin speaks for me as well. We tried things your way by nominating McCain and look how well that worked out. The radical liberal net roots took control of the Democrat party and they WON! First you bad-mouth President Bush and now Rush. If sniviling little putzim like you would direct your criticisms toward Dems instead of our Conservative Leaders we’d be alot better off.

]]> By: choccity2005 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-38851 choccity2005 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:22:09 +0000 #comment-38851 sinz54 :thank god for people like you and david frum who actually see STRATEGY.I'm a black conservative and i came to this party b/c i believe in School vouchers(notice barack obama puts his kids in private school),Social security accounts,Low taxes(i live in NY for goodness sake),smaller government,Strong defense(not for war with the world)Fiscal discipline(not 9,000 earmarks),I am pro-Life,Pro-gun rights, and i believe in GOD.This is why i am a independent conservative.....This is why i supported mccain in the last election.Why id i support mccain/palin b/c they went against thier own party and they stood against washington.Mccain has NEVER taken an earmark.I applaud that...he would be a better president now than obama. Limbaugh however i can't stand b/c he's a coward.It's easy to sit in your fat chair and spew incendiary rhetoric and allow lawmakers to take your heat but you won't DARE RUN FOR OFFICE.You want to debate obama,you want to be our leader...get some courage and run for 2012.....until sit there,smoke your cigar and shut up!! sinz54 :thank god for people like you and david frum who actually see STRATEGY.I’m a black conservative and i came to this party b/c i believe in School vouchers(notice barack obama puts his kids in private school),Social security accounts,Low taxes(i live in NY for goodness sake),smaller government,Strong defense(not for war with the world)Fiscal discipline(not 9,000 earmarks),I am pro-Life,Pro-gun rights, and i believe in GOD.This is why i am a independent conservative…..This is why i supported mccain in the last election.Why id i support mccain/palin b/c they went against thier own party and they stood against washington.Mccain has NEVER taken an earmark.I applaud that…he would be a better president now than obama.
Limbaugh however i can’t stand b/c he’s a coward.It’s easy to sit in your fat chair and spew incendiary rhetoric and allow lawmakers to take your heat but you won’t DARE RUN FOR OFFICE.You want to debate obama,you want to be our leader…get some courage and run for 2012…..until sit there,smoke your cigar and shut up!!

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-55328 sinz54 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:26:10 +0000 #comment-55328 choccity2005: I agree with you 100%. The GOP is always focused on Step One--Motivate the Base. And yes, Limbaugh is good at Step One. But I keep waiting and waiting to hear Step Two--Reach Out Beyond the Base. We seem increasingly incapable of that. We seem to have turned inward--only concerned with preserving the ideological purity and fervor of the base, not with aggressively reaching out beyond the base. choccity2005: I agree with you 100%. The GOP is always focused on Step One–Motivate the Base. And yes, Limbaugh is good at Step One. But I keep waiting and waiting to hear Step Two–Reach Out Beyond the Base. We seem increasingly incapable of that. We seem to have turned inward–only concerned with preserving the ideological purity and fervor of the base, not with aggressively reaching out beyond the base.

]]> By: choccity2005 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-44103 choccity2005 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:10:15 +0000 #comment-44103 choccity2005 wrote 0 minutes agoA senior White House aide has been tasked with helping to guide the Limbaugh strategy. Outside, Americans United for Choice, a liberal group, and the Democratic National Committee are driving the message, in close consultation with the White House. Democrats can barely suppress their smiles these days, overjoyed at the instant-ad imagery of Limbaugh clad in Johnny Cash-black at CPAC and, more broadly, at what they see as their success in managing to further marginalize a party already on the outs. I want to send Rush a bottle of vitamins, said Begala. We need him to stay healthy and loud and proud. With President George W. Bush and Vice-Presidentk Cheney out of the White House and Tom DeLay gone from Congress, the left had been suddenly absent an unpopular right-wing figure. Few Americans know who the congressional Republican leaders are. Even Sarah Palin is now four time zones away from Washington. Enter Limbaugh. This the article i found.......on politico,WHO CAN DEFEND LIMBAUGH NOW...HE's destroying us!!! choccity2005
wrote 0 minutes agoA senior White House aide has been tasked with helping to guide the Limbaugh strategy. Outside, Americans United for Choice, a liberal group, and the Democratic National Committee are driving the message, in close consultation with the White House. Democrats can barely suppress their smiles these days, overjoyed at the instant-ad imagery of Limbaugh clad in Johnny Cash-black at CPAC and, more broadly, at what they see as their success in managing to further marginalize a party already on the outs. I want to send Rush a bottle of vitamins, said Begala. We need him to stay healthy and loud and proud. With President George W. Bush and Vice-Presidentk Cheney out of the White House and Tom DeLay gone from Congress, the left had been suddenly absent an unpopular right-wing figure. Few Americans know who the congressional Republican leaders are. Even Sarah Palin is now four time zones away from Washington. Enter Limbaugh. This the article i found…….on politico,WHO CAN DEFEND LIMBAUGH NOW…HE’s destroying us!!!

]]> By: larryo http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-53885 larryo Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:07:20 +0000 #comment-53885 dragonlady - I didn't say your politics was "crass" - I was commenting on your patent willingness to pander to the Rush Limbaugh moonies. A better word to have used there would have been "opportunistic." Hindsight is always 20-20. But I notice that you chose to respond on the level of semantics rather than address my main point, which was that the left wing protesters have been historically vindicated. You must agree. Of course, you are at a disadvantage - he left has mounted protests about many things, but the only things that cause the right sufficient anxiety to get people out of their armchairs seems to be weapons registration and abortion. I must admit, however, that I am as leery of weapons confiscation as they are so I am not favorably disposed toward registration. I would like to be able to figure out a way to *legally* get the handguns away from the street gangs without abridging everyone else's right to have them, but I have not been able to do so as yet. dragonlady – I didn’t say your politics was “crass” – I was commenting on your patent willingness to pander to the Rush Limbaugh moonies. A better word to have used there would have been “opportunistic.” Hindsight is always 20-20. But I notice that you chose to respond on the level of semantics rather than address my main point, which was that the left wing protesters have been historically vindicated. You must agree. Of course, you are at a disadvantage – he left has mounted protests about many things, but the only things that cause the right sufficient anxiety to get people out of their armchairs seems to be weapons registration and abortion. I must admit, however, that I am as leery of weapons confiscation as they are so I am not favorably disposed toward registration. I would like to be able to figure out a way to *legally* get the handguns away from the street gangs without abridging everyone else’s right to have them, but I have not been able to do so as yet.

]]> By: choccity2005 http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-43307 choccity2005 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:44:00 +0000 #comment-43307 Hello fellow conservatives and independents.I only found this site b/c of frum's comments.I agreed 100 percent.David frum is vastly more superior to analysis than rush limbaugh.Hey why don't we give ann coulter a radio show and make her the head of our party .How many would love that...casue she's not polarizing right? Steele is the best thing for the GOP,some have taken him to task for the hip hop thing.Let me explain something....not that i agree with even half of hip hop,but it is number 1 with young people.It makes more money in record sales than anything else.Movies,music(except country and christian)controlled by the left.Newspapers,hollywood,majority of blogs,tv,cable....all we have is talk radio and fox news but where is it that you can say you want a popular president to fail and that doesn't become front page news.We have to expand as a party....do you know if we can get 30 percent of the black vote,40 percent of the hispanic vote,and 45 pecent of the female vote......THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!II mean if we could just get those goals...there is no democratic party.....they wouldn't even win a high school class president election.Now who does RUSHBO not have in his audience....blacks,hispanics and women.WHy is he valued again??? Hello fellow conservatives and independents.I only found this site b/c of frum’s comments.I agreed 100 percent.David frum is vastly more superior to analysis than rush limbaugh.Hey why don’t we give ann coulter a radio show and make her the head of our party .How many would love that…casue she’s not polarizing right?

Steele is the best thing for the GOP,some have taken him to task for the hip hop thing.Let me explain something….not that i agree with even half of hip hop,but it is number 1 with young people.It makes more money in record sales than anything else.Movies,music(except country and christian)controlled by the left.Newspapers,hollywood,majority of blogs,tv,cable….all we have is talk radio and fox news but where is it that you can say you want a popular president to fail and that doesn’t become front page news.We have to expand as a party….do you know if we can get 30 percent of the black vote,40 percent of the hispanic vote,and 45 pecent of the female vote……THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!II mean if we could just get those goals…there is no democratic party…..they wouldn’t even win a high school class president election.Now who does RUSHBO not have in his audience….blacks,hispanics and women.WHy is he valued again???

]]> By: olipane http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-39308 olipane Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:44:14 +0000 #comment-39308 Mr. Steele was right...Rush is an entertainer plugging his station first, then a conservative philosphist second. He's not a leader, except for the fact he is educating our base on what is going on in the political world but giving his "incendiary and ugly" perspective on things. Sure it excites our base but it alienates everyone else. He's a leader of a niche that basically says, "anything a democrat says is wrong and bad." 84% of Americans are sick and tired of this kind of political banetering. You want a true leader with the right perspective who can not only excite the base but also woo the moderates and conservative democrats? Mitt Romney! Listen to his speech (on this site) at the latest CPAC 2009 and listen carefully to the balance of his remarks. "America first", "agree when we can and stand firm where we should", support the President because he is our President and "he" has to make those decisions ultimately. This guy IS the guy for 2012. He SHOULD be the leader of the Conservative movement/Republican Party and our 2012 presidential candidate. I believe had Romney been the candidate against Obama, Romney would be the President. McCain was simply the wrong choice this past election. People trust a former CEO of a business especially when it comes to economics. THAT was his trump card against the liberals. So, spread the word around. I hope this seed planted today bears a harvest of fruit for the conservative/republicans in 2012. Forget Limbaugh - he's an agitator that does nothing for the rest of the American people. We know who we are - the job of a TRUE conservative/republican leader is to convince the "others" to join us. We need to minimize Limbaugh because he helps nobody except those who already agree that the liberals/democrats are "wrong." =) Romney for President - 2012!!! Shut Limbaugh up!! Mr. Steele was right…Rush is an entertainer plugging his station first, then a conservative philosphist second. He’s not a leader, except for the fact he is educating our base on what is going on in the political world but giving his “incendiary and ugly” perspective on things. Sure it excites our base but it alienates everyone else. He’s a leader of a niche that basically says, “anything a democrat says is wrong and bad.” 84% of Americans are sick and tired of this kind of political banetering. You want a true leader with the right perspective who can not only excite the base but also woo the moderates and conservative democrats? Mitt Romney! Listen to his speech (on this site) at the latest CPAC 2009 and listen carefully to the balance of his remarks. “America first”, “agree when we can and stand firm where we should”, support the President because he is our President and “he” has to make those decisions ultimately. This guy IS the guy for 2012. He SHOULD be the leader of the Conservative movement/Republican Party and our 2012 presidential candidate. I believe had Romney been the candidate against Obama, Romney would be the President. McCain was simply the wrong choice this past election. People trust a former CEO of a business especially when it comes to economics. THAT was his trump card against the liberals. So, spread the word around. I hope this seed planted today bears a harvest of fruit for the conservative/republicans in 2012. Forget Limbaugh – he’s an agitator that does nothing for the rest of the American people. We know who we are – the job of a TRUE conservative/republican leader is to convince the “others” to join us. We need to minimize Limbaugh because he helps nobody except those who already agree that the liberals/democrats are “wrong.” =) Romney for President – 2012!!! Shut Limbaugh up!!

]]> By: dragonlady http://www.frumforum.com/steele-right-the-first-time/comment-page-4#comment-49109 dragonlady Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:14:44 +0000 #comment-49109 Realist, get off your high horse. Rush is doing what he's always done, plugging his radio show and provoking controversy. Frum is the one claiming he's trying to build a NewMajority. Having a discussion on how to do it is one thing; sowing unneeded discord within the party is not particular a smart way to do it. If you bothered to read my other posts, I have again and again stated we should be the Big Tent party, room for both moderates and conservatives. But I don't believe for one minute Rush Limbaugh is why the GOP lost in '08, even though I said I understand why he shouldn't be the public face of the Republican party. You want to ostracize Rush and his followers? Go ahead...launch the NewMajority and see what happens. Realist, get off your high horse. Rush is doing what he’s always done, plugging his radio show and provoking controversy. Frum is the one claiming he’s trying to build a NewMajority. Having a discussion on how to do it is one thing; sowing unneeded discord within the party is not particular a smart way to do it. If you bothered to read my other posts, I have again and again stated we should be the Big Tent party, room for both moderates and conservatives. But I don’t believe for one minute Rush Limbaugh is why the GOP lost in ‘08, even though I said I understand why he shouldn’t be the public face of the Republican party. You want to ostracize Rush and his followers? Go ahead…launch the NewMajority and see what happens.

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