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	<title>Comments on: St. Glenn Beck&#8217;s Religious Followers</title>
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		<title>By: forkboy1965</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/st-glenn-becks-religious-followers/comment-page-2#comment-93722</link>
		<dc:creator>forkboy1965</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the usual.... uniformed folks pretending to know what the Founding Fathers really intended for America.  Hey.... if Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Franklin wanted our country to be religiously based they would have created it as such.  Instead they made it clear that a separation of religion and state was absolutely necessary.  This preoccupation by the religious Right of assuming they &quot;know&quot; what the Founding Fathers wanted flies in the face of what they gave us in the Constitution.

And by the way.... these poor deluded folks once again show their complete lack of intelligence.  The Nazis were Fascists.  Fascism falls on the right-side of the political spectrum and not the left like Progressivism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the usual&#8230;. uniformed folks pretending to know what the Founding Fathers really intended for America.  Hey&#8230;. if Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Franklin wanted our country to be religiously based they would have created it as such.  Instead they made it clear that a separation of religion and state was absolutely necessary.  This preoccupation by the religious Right of assuming they &#8220;know&#8221; what the Founding Fathers wanted flies in the face of what they gave us in the Constitution.</p>
<p>And by the way&#8230;. these poor deluded folks once again show their complete lack of intelligence.  The Nazis were Fascists.  Fascism falls on the right-side of the political spectrum and not the left like Progressivism.</p>
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		<title>By: The Christian Witness to the State &#171; The Overton Salon</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/st-glenn-becks-religious-followers/comment-page-2#comment-93129</link>
		<dc:creator>The Christian Witness to the State &#171; The Overton Salon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (especially over life and death), and implicitly or explicitly identified themselves with God. The Tea Party&#8217;s rituals during the health care protests divinize a mythic &#8220;America,&#8221; as do progressives who in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (especially over life and death), and implicitly or explicitly identified themselves with God. The Tea Party&#8217;s rituals during the health care protests divinize a mythic &#8220;America,&#8221; as do progressives who in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TheWell</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/st-glenn-becks-religious-followers/comment-page-2#comment-89265</link>
		<dc:creator>TheWell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, all this &quot;socialism&quot; and Libertarian, and Conservative and yada, yada.

All these terms are only now defined by whatever those who believe it means. In other words, misconstrued, or blurred.

Those examples shown at this tea party gathering above, are real examples of what happens to people who are so confused and scared, they need to do something to feel that they have some control, even if it doesn&#039;t seem to make sense to the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, all this &#8220;socialism&#8221; and Libertarian, and Conservative and yada, yada.</p>
<p>All these terms are only now defined by whatever those who believe it means. In other words, misconstrued, or blurred.</p>
<p>Those examples shown at this tea party gathering above, are real examples of what happens to people who are so confused and scared, they need to do something to feel that they have some control, even if it doesn&#8217;t seem to make sense to the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: S.L. Toddard</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/st-glenn-becks-religious-followers/comment-page-2#comment-87462</link>
		<dc:creator>S.L. Toddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m confused. Isn’t the point of health care that America IS about “we the people” and not “me the people”? Isn’t “we the people” socialism&quot;

You are absolutely correct - you *are* confused.  Very confused.  There is a factual answer to your question:  no.  &quot;We the people&quot; did not imply socialism, a bit of utopian hogwash which had not yet been concocted.   That is simply an inarguable fact.  To further illustrate, the system of government that the author of that phrase helped to define was republican in character, and the economic system mercantile and capitalistic - not socialist.  A quick perusal of the Constitution should clear up any further misunderstandings you may have vis a vis socialism, which s a rather dreadful specter that, though it is alien to these shores, has to our great misfortune found a home here and done immeasurable damage in the process.  

Although the same could be said of Mr. Frum, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m confused. Isn’t the point of health care that America IS about “we the people” and not “me the people”? Isn’t “we the people” socialism&#8221;</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct &#8211; you *are* confused.  Very confused.  There is a factual answer to your question:  no.  &#8220;We the people&#8221; did not imply socialism, a bit of utopian hogwash which had not yet been concocted.   That is simply an inarguable fact.  To further illustrate, the system of government that the author of that phrase helped to define was republican in character, and the economic system mercantile and capitalistic &#8211; not socialist.  A quick perusal of the Constitution should clear up any further misunderstandings you may have vis a vis socialism, which s a rather dreadful specter that, though it is alien to these shores, has to our great misfortune found a home here and done immeasurable damage in the process.  </p>
<p>Although the same could be said of Mr. Frum, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: S.L. Toddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.L. Toddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2000 words to ridicule 20 American citizens who had gathered to protest and oppose liberal government.  

I suppose it is not surprising that a neoconservative publication would devote time and space to smearing liberalism&#039;s opponents:  it is the neoconservative&#039;s raison d&#039;être, after all.  It is the job they have done for nigh on half a century, and have done so well as to make the American conservative a near extinct species.  Liberals are their natural allies;  conservatives their natural enemies.  

Or is it prey?  

Regardless, I would like to point out to any Americans here:  some of your fellow citizens gathered in Washington to voice their anger at a radical and un-Constitutional expansion of government, and to oppose and denounce liberalism.  This piece illustrates what FrumForum thinks of those goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2000 words to ridicule 20 American citizens who had gathered to protest and oppose liberal government.  </p>
<p>I suppose it is not surprising that a neoconservative publication would devote time and space to smearing liberalism&#8217;s opponents:  it is the neoconservative&#8217;s raison d&#8217;être, after all.  It is the job they have done for nigh on half a century, and have done so well as to make the American conservative a near extinct species.  Liberals are their natural allies;  conservatives their natural enemies.  </p>
<p>Or is it prey?  </p>
<p>Regardless, I would like to point out to any Americans here:  some of your fellow citizens gathered in Washington to voice their anger at a radical and un-Constitutional expansion of government, and to oppose and denounce liberalism.  This piece illustrates what FrumForum thinks of those goals.</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IndependentGOProud:

That sounds awfully like an admission that the GOP &quot;looks like the Party of No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IndependentGOProud:</p>
<p>That sounds awfully like an admission that the GOP &#8220;looks like the Party of No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sparty, at #27,  now looks like the Party of No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sparty, at #27,  now looks like the Party of No.</p>
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		<title>By: Bebe99</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/st-glenn-becks-religious-followers/comment-page-2#comment-87396</link>
		<dc:creator>Bebe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused too. If so many uninsured Americans can&#039;t get medical coverage for non-emergency care like cancer, diabetes, etc. And the only option is for the government to intervene (Republican&#039;s didn&#039;t have any plan for all the uninsured). And Tea Partiers would rather just let those folks suffer and die than allow the government more regulation of insurance. How can these people be religious? What kind of religion would be part of this barbaric scenario?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused too. If so many uninsured Americans can&#8217;t get medical coverage for non-emergency care like cancer, diabetes, etc. And the only option is for the government to intervene (Republican&#8217;s didn&#8217;t have any plan for all the uninsured). And Tea Partiers would rather just let those folks suffer and die than allow the government more regulation of insurance. How can these people be religious? What kind of religion would be part of this barbaric scenario?</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JeninCT:  Well, ordinarily I&#039;d agree with you.  But in today&#039;s &quot;Glenn Beck World,&quot; nutters have to be confronted with their nuttiness and denigrated , not dismissed with a simple &quot;Well, let&#039;s just agree to disagree.&quot;

For example, if someone accused my mother of genocide (akin to dumbdumb&#039;s &quot;argument&quot; that liberals want to turn the world over to Mother Gaia), my first reaction would not be to say &quot;I disagree.&quot;  Saying simply &quot;I disagree&quot; has three effects:  (1) Dumbdumb thinks he/she actually made a good point, (2) Dumbdumb will continue to make stupid points, and (3) Dumbdumb might actually convince other Dumbdumbs that not only is it ok to make these stupid points but that the points have some legitimacy to them (why else would the accused only respond with &quot;I disagree&quot;?).

In fact, (3) above is the problem most normal people have with Beck.  It&#039;s also why people like me find it funny that Beck has yet to formally respond to the allegation that he Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JeninCT:  Well, ordinarily I&#8217;d agree with you.  But in today&#8217;s &#8220;Glenn Beck World,&#8221; nutters have to be confronted with their nuttiness and denigrated , not dismissed with a simple &#8220;Well, let&#8217;s just agree to disagree.&#8221;</p>
<p>For example, if someone accused my mother of genocide (akin to dumbdumb&#8217;s &#8220;argument&#8221; that liberals want to turn the world over to Mother Gaia), my first reaction would not be to say &#8220;I disagree.&#8221;  Saying simply &#8220;I disagree&#8221; has three effects:  (1) Dumbdumb thinks he/she actually made a good point, (2) Dumbdumb will continue to make stupid points, and (3) Dumbdumb might actually convince other Dumbdumbs that not only is it ok to make these stupid points but that the points have some legitimacy to them (why else would the accused only respond with &#8220;I disagree&#8221;?).</p>
<p>In fact, (3) above is the problem most normal people have with Beck.  It&#8217;s also why people like me find it funny that Beck has yet to formally respond to the allegation that he Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.</p>
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		<title>By: JeninCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeninCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparty,  a simple &quot;I disagree&quot; would&#039;ve sufficed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparty,  a simple &#8220;I disagree&#8221; would&#8217;ve sufficed.</p>
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