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		<title>By: aw</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-54818</link>
		<dc:creator>aw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How hard is it to keep your religion out of politics? Sure, you may believe that if you&#039;rey you&#039;re going tol and homosexuality is evil, but not everybody does! Additionally, it&#039;s none of the government&#039;s business who you marry! I am not gay, but I can tell how infuriating it must be for those who are not to have the right to settle down and live with whoever they want just because some people think it&#039;s evil to be born so that they are naturally attracted to different people than most. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How hard is it to keep your religion out of politics? Sure, you may believe that if you&#8217;rey you&#8217;re going tol and homosexuality is evil, but not everybody does! Additionally, it&#8217;s none of the government&#8217;s business who you marry! I am not gay, but I can tell how infuriating it must be for those who are not to have the right to settle down and live with whoever they want just because some people think it&#8217;s evil to be born so that they are naturally attracted to different people than most.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-41626</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chekote (wrote) &quot;Everybody is useful but no one is indispensable&quot;. i agree with your mother. That is why I am merely against the direction this thread has taken about up or down on the SoCo&#039;s. Yes, in any practical sense I do believe they are indispensable but that is not the same as unreasonable. The question is how to use those issues most effectively to win back power. Right now you see a huge push by Obama to capture the religiously moderate center with style rather than substance. It can work.. Please (ALL) read this to get an idea about the stakes involved. 

http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/ending_or_winning.php
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chekote (wrote) &#8220;Everybody is useful but no one is indispensable&#8221;. i agree with your mother. That is why I am merely against the direction this thread has taken about up or down on the SoCo&#8217;s. Yes, in any practical sense I do believe they are indispensable but that is not the same as unreasonable. The question is how to use those issues most effectively to win back power. Right now you see a huge push by Obama to capture the religiously moderate center with style rather than substance. It can work.. Please (ALL) read this to get an idea about the stakes involved. </p>
<p><a href="http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/ending_or_winning.php" rel="nofollow">http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/ending_or_winning.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: joemarier</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-43444</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarhead -- I actually don&#039;t want to annex Mexico.  That was a little joke.  One of the first things that ran on this site was a little commentary by Newt Gingrich about the possible security threat from Mexico, so I had it on my mind when I wrote the piece.  The US Bishops have been pushing for a massive anti-poverty effort in Mexico for a while now, and I&#039;m as clueless as anyone on how to accomplish that short of my joke suggestion.  Also, J, I actually live in a largely Hispanic neighborhood.  And, my dad&#039;s a retired Marine.  ***This thread&#039;s going to be bumped off the front page soon, so I&#039;m probably not going to be doing much monitoring.  I&#039;m thinking my posts will become the Oldest Established Permanent Floating So-con Throwdown on Newmajority.com, so keep an eye out, and keep commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarhead &#8212; I actually don&#8217;t want to annex Mexico.  That was a little joke.  One of the first things that ran on this site was a little commentary by Newt Gingrich about the possible security threat from Mexico, so I had it on my mind when I wrote the piece.  The US Bishops have been pushing for a massive anti-poverty effort in Mexico for a while now, and I&#8217;m as clueless as anyone on how to accomplish that short of my joke suggestion.  Also, J, I actually live in a largely Hispanic neighborhood.  And, my dad&#8217;s a retired Marine.  ***This thread&#8217;s going to be bumped off the front page soon, so I&#8217;m probably not going to be doing much monitoring.  I&#8217;m thinking my posts will become the Oldest Established Permanent Floating So-con Throwdown on Newmajority.com, so keep an eye out, and keep commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: jarhead</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-49839</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wanting to &quot;peacefully annexing Mexico&quot;????  Why? Have you ever been to Mexico City or the rural towns in Mexico? (take a weapon and surgical mask) Have you been to any of the enclaves that Mexican nationals live in here in America? (take a weapon and surgical mask) 

The truth is Mr. Marier that Mexican&#039;s are annexing America one city at a time. Get a clue home slice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wanting to &#8220;peacefully annexing Mexico&#8221;????  Why? Have you ever been to Mexico City or the rural towns in Mexico? (take a weapon and surgical mask) Have you been to any of the enclaves that Mexican nationals live in here in America? (take a weapon and surgical mask) </p>
<p>The truth is Mr. Marier that Mexican&#8217;s are annexing America one city at a time. Get a clue home slice?</p>
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		<title>By: 0Tolearance</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-52243</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They want veto power over all judicial appointments and constantly demand that everyone fight for their ridiculous cultural issues. As a result, they have alienated virtually all the regions in the country except the South and turned the GOP into a Revival Tent instead of a big tent.&quot;

&quot;Ridiculous cultural issues?&quot;  What - faith in God, respect for the dignity of human life, belief in the role of religion in shaping national ethic?  I always considered those...I dunno - principle (aka &#039;moral character&#039; for the non-secularists).  

McRINO lost this past election because: 1) the economic crisis in October made running on a Republican ticket difficult 2) His campaign advisors were incompetent 3) He lacked the enthusiastic support of many conservatives, especially considering his prevous attacks on social conservatives 4) He was outspent by a ridiculous margin by a ruthless enemy obsessed with regaining party.  Of those reasons, I&#039;d say 1, 2, and 4 were most important: whoever heard of a viable Republican presidnetial candidate running out of money -  during a PRIMARY???  The only way you can blame social conservatives for that mess was by not turning out ENOUGH - and that enough of them DID show up to vote Republican should put to rest any doubt of their ability to negotiat or compromize.  

I just pray that our country holds together long enough for 2012 when our party finally reunites around the ONE candidate who can save us from the Communist messiah Obominatoin we&#039;ve just elected - just hope she is not so disgusted by the drive by politics and media that she turns away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They want veto power over all judicial appointments and constantly demand that everyone fight for their ridiculous cultural issues. As a result, they have alienated virtually all the regions in the country except the South and turned the GOP into a Revival Tent instead of a big tent.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ridiculous cultural issues?&#8221;  What &#8211; faith in God, respect for the dignity of human life, belief in the role of religion in shaping national ethic?  I always considered those&#8230;I dunno &#8211; principle (aka &#8216;moral character&#8217; for the non-secularists).  </p>
<p>McRINO lost this past election because: 1) the economic crisis in October made running on a Republican ticket difficult 2) His campaign advisors were incompetent 3) He lacked the enthusiastic support of many conservatives, especially considering his prevous attacks on social conservatives 4) He was outspent by a ridiculous margin by a ruthless enemy obsessed with regaining party.  Of those reasons, I&#8217;d say 1, 2, and 4 were most important: whoever heard of a viable Republican presidnetial candidate running out of money &#8211;  during a PRIMARY???  The only way you can blame social conservatives for that mess was by not turning out ENOUGH &#8211; and that enough of them DID show up to vote Republican should put to rest any doubt of their ability to negotiat or compromize.  </p>
<p>I just pray that our country holds together long enough for 2012 when our party finally reunites around the ONE candidate who can save us from the Communist messiah Obominatoin we&#8217;ve just elected &#8211; just hope she is not so disgusted by the drive by politics and media that she turns away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane. I have lived both in NYC and rural Texas so I understand your point about gun control. However, you need to be aware of something. Criminals will always get guns. I lived in Europe where gun control laws are very strict. Guess what? The mafia never experienced a gun shortage. Also, there is a little thing called the US Constitution. The right to bear arms is part of the Bill of Rights, and thus just as valid as freedom of speech. Disclosure: Never held a gun in my life and no plans to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane. I have lived both in NYC and rural Texas so I understand your point about gun control. However, you need to be aware of something. Criminals will always get guns. I lived in Europe where gun control laws are very strict. Guess what? The mafia never experienced a gun shortage. Also, there is a little thing called the US Constitution. The right to bear arms is part of the Bill of Rights, and thus just as valid as freedom of speech. Disclosure: Never held a gun in my life and no plans to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-43789</link>
		<dc:creator>Chekote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fitz. My mother taught me that &quot;Everybody is useful but no one is indispensable&quot;. So please don&#039;t make the mistake of thinking that the GOP will never be able to win without the SoCon. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fitz. My mother taught me that &#8220;Everybody is useful but no one is indispensable&#8221;. So please don&#8217;t make the mistake of thinking that the GOP will never be able to win without the SoCon.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/social-conservatives-need-allies-too/comment-page-5#comment-54422</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joemarier - Well congratulations. You seem to know that social conservatives are a indispensable part of the republican coalition and that their policy preferences are reasonable and obtainable. In this thread you seem to have several instances of ostensible republicans who have an Ax to grind against social conservatives on a personal opr philosophical (rather than a political) level.

As the Obama administration continues it will inevitably overreach on FOCA or they agenda, or feminism, or education of the youth. With this will come the inevitable backlash of the moral majority in this country (like we have seen with same-sex marriage) The hard won gains of years of pro-life and social conservative activism wont be given up easily. These same people will man the telephones, walk the streets and get involved in local and national politics. Foreign policy and small government conservatives just dont have the passion to make the difference. 

Its important that you keep writing insightful columns about the reasonableness of social conservatives. From defending marriage to waiting periods and parental consent for abortions the S.C. have wide popularity on a variety of fronts. It perennially important to keep reminding the rest of the republican base that social conservatives dont live in bubble . The cultural left is indeed the aggressor on all these fronts, and they to have an radical agenda that turns off moderates.    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joemarier &#8211; Well congratulations. You seem to know that social conservatives are a indispensable part of the republican coalition and that their policy preferences are reasonable and obtainable. In this thread you seem to have several instances of ostensible republicans who have an Ax to grind against social conservatives on a personal opr philosophical (rather than a political) level.</p>
<p>As the Obama administration continues it will inevitably overreach on FOCA or they agenda, or feminism, or education of the youth. With this will come the inevitable backlash of the moral majority in this country (like we have seen with same-sex marriage) The hard won gains of years of pro-life and social conservative activism wont be given up easily. These same people will man the telephones, walk the streets and get involved in local and national politics. Foreign policy and small government conservatives just dont have the passion to make the difference. </p>
<p>Its important that you keep writing insightful columns about the reasonableness of social conservatives. From defending marriage to waiting periods and parental consent for abortions the S.C. have wide popularity on a variety of fronts. It perennially important to keep reminding the rest of the republican base that social conservatives dont live in bubble . The cultural left is indeed the aggressor on all these fronts, and they to have an radical agenda that turns off moderates.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane_Dewey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people view social conservatives as hypocrites who are obsessed with gays, guns, and abortion beyond all reason and at the expense of any other policies. There is more to pro-life than just abortion. 

When you have a family to feed, youre going to vote for the party who you think will help you the most. From my experience with Republicans who claim to be social conservatives, theres usually some preacher who leads a double life taking drugs and frequenting male prostitutes. 

Or theres the apple pie and American flag girl-next-door who married her high school sweetheart and has four kids, and now vehemently opposes abortion, mostly because of the guilt she feels having an abortion herself. And then theres the abstinence only education push, and what seems to be glorifying teenagers who have premarital sex and get pregnant out of wedlock. Theyre made to be heroes simply because they didnt have an abortion. 

Or theres the country folk who want to use their rifles for huntin who oppose any sort of gun control laws aimed at high crime rate areas in the city, where people live and work and move among each other in close quarters. If those country folk have ever lived in a city, they would understand the differences between rifles for huntin and gun control laws needed in inner cities. 

When a party claims to possess family values and social conservative views, then they are putting themselves on a pedestal and passing judgment on the rest of society. Most Americans have moved past the debate about the morality of homosexuality. Gays have lived among heterosexuals since the beginning of time. Seeing two gays holding hands or kissing is not going to make someone heterosexual turn gay. Thats a backward way of thinking. Just as many people are equally repulsed at the thought of two overweight people having sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people view social conservatives as hypocrites who are obsessed with gays, guns, and abortion beyond all reason and at the expense of any other policies. There is more to pro-life than just abortion. </p>
<p>When you have a family to feed, youre going to vote for the party who you think will help you the most. From my experience with Republicans who claim to be social conservatives, theres usually some preacher who leads a double life taking drugs and frequenting male prostitutes. </p>
<p>Or theres the apple pie and American flag girl-next-door who married her high school sweetheart and has four kids, and now vehemently opposes abortion, mostly because of the guilt she feels having an abortion herself. And then theres the abstinence only education push, and what seems to be glorifying teenagers who have premarital sex and get pregnant out of wedlock. Theyre made to be heroes simply because they didnt have an abortion. </p>
<p>Or theres the country folk who want to use their rifles for huntin who oppose any sort of gun control laws aimed at high crime rate areas in the city, where people live and work and move among each other in close quarters. If those country folk have ever lived in a city, they would understand the differences between rifles for huntin and gun control laws needed in inner cities. </p>
<p>When a party claims to possess family values and social conservative views, then they are putting themselves on a pedestal and passing judgment on the rest of society. Most Americans have moved past the debate about the morality of homosexuality. Gays have lived among heterosexuals since the beginning of time. Seeing two gays holding hands or kissing is not going to make someone heterosexual turn gay. Thats a backward way of thinking. Just as many people are equally repulsed at the thought of two overweight people having sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100!!!!!!</description>
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