Comments on: Sderot, Israel Is Iraq Without The Body Armor http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: lucas http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-54945 lucas Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:40:58 +0000 #comment-54945 sinz54 and senorlechero, why are your posts directed at me? i didn't make any arguments about whether it was justified or not. Regardless of the similarity of this occurrence with others in history, I think it would be great to see the author of this post give a civilian perspective of both sides. I am not condemning nor defending anyone. I think it is a sad situation for all the civilians involved and would love to continue to see more empathetic posts like the one's above. I compared it to Georgia because that was also a sad situation for the civilians and I am curious how the two situation compare in scope. sinz54 and senorlechero,
why are your posts directed at me? i didn’t make any arguments about whether it was justified or not. Regardless of the similarity of this occurrence with others in history, I think it would be great to see the author of this post give a civilian perspective of both sides. I am not condemning nor defending anyone. I think it is a sad situation for all the civilians involved and would love to continue to see more empathetic posts like the one’s above. I compared it to Georgia because that was also a sad situation for the civilians and I am curious how the two situation compare in scope.

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-50593 sinz54 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:55:03 +0000 #comment-50593 Lucas: When a regime launches an aggressive war against its neighbor (as the Hamas regime did against Israel), it invites retaliation which will invariably hurt the innocent people it leads. If Hitler had not launched an aggressive war, no German civilians would have died at Dresden. If the Japanese militarists had not bombed Pearl Harbor, no Japanese civilians would have died at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. At any point in time, Hitler, or the Japanese militarists, or HAMAS, could have chosen to end their aggression and save all peoples (including their own) any more tragedy. They chose not to. And innocent people--on BOTH sides--end up paying the price. But let's be clear. America would NEVER have dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, if Japan hadn't launched aggressive war against its neighbors and America. And Israel would NEVER have waged war in Gaza if their civilians weren't being constantly attacked by HAMAS rocket fire. The ultimate responsibility was not America's then. And the ultimate responsibility is not Israel's now. Lucas: When a regime launches an aggressive war against its neighbor (as the Hamas regime did against Israel), it invites retaliation which will invariably hurt the innocent people it leads. If Hitler had not launched an aggressive war, no German civilians would have died at Dresden. If the Japanese militarists had not bombed Pearl Harbor, no Japanese civilians would have died at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. At any point in time, Hitler, or the Japanese militarists, or HAMAS, could have chosen to end their aggression and save all peoples (including their own) any more tragedy. They chose not to. And innocent people–on BOTH sides–end up paying the price. But let’s be clear. America would NEVER have dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, if Japan hadn’t launched aggressive war against its neighbors and America. And Israel would NEVER have waged war in Gaza if their civilians weren’t being constantly attacked by HAMAS rocket fire. The ultimate responsibility was not America’s then. And the ultimate responsibility is not Israel’s now.

]]> By: senorlechero http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-42951 senorlechero Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:47:11 +0000 #comment-42951 Lucas...I read reports every day (on the internet, for that is where I read news) during Israel's assault that gave numbers of persons killed in Gaza. The only reason I responded to your comment was to say that the MSM reported daily on the number of "civilians and children" killed. I don't understand the reference to Russian and Ossettia, or why you are comparing the two. Lucas…I read reports every day (on the internet, for that is where I read news) during Israel’s assault that gave numbers of persons killed in Gaza. The only reason I responded to your comment was to say that the MSM reported daily on the number of “civilians and children” killed. I don’t understand the reference to Russian and Ossettia, or why you are comparing the two.

]]> By: lucas http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-48075 lucas Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:24:42 +0000 #comment-48075 I was referring to the US MSM (that is where i live). Would you consider BBC part of the MSM? I guess there is room for debate on that. This link suggests slightly more then 1200 are dead. They say the numbers are questionable, but you apparently want to go with the worst. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7855070.stm How do those numbers compare to Georgia/South Ossetia/Russia 2008 conflict? I was referring to the US MSM (that is where i live). Would you consider BBC part of the MSM? I guess there is room for debate on that. This link suggests slightly more then 1200 are dead. They say the numbers are questionable, but you apparently want to go with the worst.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7855070.stm

How do those numbers compare to Georgia/South Ossetia/Russia 2008 conflict?

]]> By: senorlechero http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-41458 senorlechero Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:39:00 +0000 #comment-41458 lucas...If "you wouldn't know that from the MSM", where did you hear it? The worst reports are that "half" the 1200 Palestinians killed in the assault were civilians. Even if that were true that's an amazingly low number considering the Hamas terrorists use women and children for shields, fire rockets and mortars from hospitals and schools, set up their bases in hospitals, hide weapons in houses....and generally try to make sure that if they die, lots of "innocent" people die with them. lucas…If “you wouldn’t know that from the MSM”, where did you hear it? The worst reports are that “half” the 1200 Palestinians killed in the assault were civilians. Even if that were true that’s an amazingly low number considering the Hamas terrorists use women and children for shields, fire rockets and mortars from hospitals and schools, set up their bases in hospitals, hide weapons in houses….and generally try to make sure that if they die, lots of “innocent” people die with them.

]]> By: lucas http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-52806 lucas Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:00:02 +0000 #comment-52806 Good post. I look forward to your report on what it is like for the civilians in Gaza. I have heard that it is worse in Gaza in terms of numbers of civilians and children killed then the number of Georgians killed by Russia during the South Ossettia conflict. You wouldn't know that from the MSM. Is that true? Good post. I look forward to your report on what it is like for the civilians in Gaza. I have heard that it is worse in Gaza in terms of numbers of civilians and children killed then the number of Georgians killed by Russia during the South Ossettia conflict. You wouldn’t know that from the MSM. Is that true?

]]> By: senorlechero http://www.frumforum.com/sderot-israel-is-iraq-without-the-body-armor/comment-page-1#comment-44335 senorlechero Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:14:51 +0000 #comment-44335 Thank you Gabe Ledeen, for posting the truth about the Palestinian war criminal terrorists Hamas. Israel should have finished them off in this last war, but due to the worldwide MSM distortions of the truth, as well as outright lies from the UN and certain "peace" groups, they bowed to worldwide pressure and stopped the fighting before all the rockets were destroyed and every Hamas terrorist killed. Keep posting here Gabe, this site needs as many factual posts as it can get. Thank you Gabe Ledeen, for posting the truth about the Palestinian war criminal terrorists Hamas. Israel should have finished them off in this last war, but due to the worldwide MSM distortions of the truth, as well as outright lies from the UN and certain “peace” groups, they bowed to worldwide pressure and stopped the fighting before all the rockets were destroyed and every Hamas terrorist killed. Keep posting here Gabe, this site needs as many factual posts as it can get.

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