when i think about this woman, she must have been heart broken. one day, she thought she had a shot at becoming a congresswoman, only to later saw her career and life shattered by a mob. i hope none of us will have to go to the political grinder that she went through.

long ago a chinese philosopher refused to enter politics because “he was a ‘vegetarian’ and not a ‘carnivore.’” dede was eaten by her own kind.

You obviously didn’t bother to think before writing. The issue is not how likely voters feel about the public option. The issue is whether or not a majority of Americans support the public option, irrespective of whether or not they are likely to vote.

Sinz claimed that support of the public option is limited to the Left. I said a majority of Americans support a public option. The poll I provided shows 57% of Americans support a public option. But even 47% of likely voters in the Rassmussen poll support a public option. So, again, it is foolish to claim that only the Left supports a public option unless you now believe that 47-57% of Americans are on the Left.

I suspect this is too much nuance for most conservative brains.

> And she screwed them, twice.
> She threw her support to the opposition’s candidate,
> and did nothing to refute Silver when he let the press know
> he would welcome her to his caucus with open arms.

Actually, Hoffman started the whole thing by reneging on his promise to back whatever candidate chosen by the GOP selection committee. Like it or not, these were the rules and he promised to honor them. If he felt a possible Scozzafava candidacy was unacceptable then he should have said so in advance.

The NY-23 candidate selection process certainly had its flaws, but it seems critics such as Hoffman did not perform “due diligence” checks before signing the dotted line. The honorable thing to do for him would have been to sit quietly on the sidelines, and then propose to reform the way the NY GOP picks its nominees after the elections.

MARCU$

He tried hard.
His men took personal charge of the Deeds campaign. Obama’s own pollster went to work for Deeds. Obama campaigned for both Democratic candidates. He had no effect, proving he no longer has coattails. The reason is that the coalition Obama built–young people and blacks–had no similar enthusiasm for Deeds or Corzine.

Finally, note that exit polls did show that the economy was a major issue in the minds of voters. And the economy is a national issue; what Washington DC does or doesn’t do about the economy will affect the local economies of both VA and NJ.

That’s a warning sign for Dems in 2010. Sure, voters will look around at the local economies in their states and communities before casting their votes. But if the Obama policies haven’t reduced unemployment nationally, then voters will notice that in their own states and communities–and end up blaming their own Dem representatives.

no, the exit polling shows that voters were not, per se, making their choice for republicans as a counterweight to obama. you are right on this point, though. even with all of obama’s campaign stops in va and nj, endless rallies, constant pleading, arm-twisting and cajoling, the secret ops parallel campaign organizations and placing obama’s entire white house polling staff into nj 3 weeks prior to the election… all of that and additional fundraising for the nj democrats and va democrats to spend independently on black ops, negative campaign ads… even with all of that effort, obama still had little to do with the outcome. he couldn’t affect the result.

what you really meant to say was even with all that work and underhanded campaigning, obama couldn’t do jack to save va or nj for the democrat incumbents… and the voters were well aware of his presence there and collectively said “so what”? if an incumbent president can’t even swing the 2nd most politically corrupt state in the nation (after illinois, of course) into a win for his man, what good is all that supposed charisma, political smarts and oozing charm?

thanks for making the case that obama really did lose va and nj for the democrats.

“cites a poll by the GOP-leaning Rassmussen Reports” sparticus.

given that rasmussen nailed the 06 and 08 elections closer than any polling firm and given that he only polls voters, not general population adults who may not even go to the booths on election day, i’d say you lose this pissing match, sparticus. but then, that’s a skill you’ve honed to an art.

In fact, the Rassmussen report cited by Mi-Idiot even said that polls are all over the map on the issue of a public option.

ABC News/Washington Post Poll shows 57% support for the public option.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/10/20/GR2009102000148.html?sid=ST2009101902502

Keep on drinking that Conservative Kool-Aid.

Polls in both VA and NJ showed that President Obama had little to do with the outcome. Virginia always switches to the “out party” in their off-off year gubernatorial races after Presidential elections.

Being a native of the Delaware Valley, which includes Southern New Jersey, I can attest to Jon Corzine’s unpopularity with New Jersey voters and local issues while in Virginia the GOP candidate McDonnell ran to the center by throwing away the conservative playbook and talking about issues and seeking consensue. Besides, VA govs are limited to one four year term.

Meanwhile, Republicans lost an historic House seat in New York in a race which should have been a slam dunk. Or would have been, had out-of-state activists pitchforked the Republican candidate in the race.

Bzzzzt. Got those numbers wrong again, Sparty-Is-Brain-Dead.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

As of Nov 9th, 52% of American VOTERS remain opposed to the Obama Health Care Reform “plan”. And that includes 58% of unaligned independent voters…. ouch, ouch, ouch.

And on the 2 issues that the Obama originally said were driving this plan –namely, lowering health care costs and getting mo’ folks covered– 52% of voters say the plan will increase costs, 53% of voters say it will hurt the quality of helath care.

I seem to recall one of your echo-chambered troll peers recently telling all that the GOP accomplished nothing by opposing health care reform?

Yeah, you work that girl. You’ve got as good a chance with that angle as a 550 pound hooker scoring at an after hours party of a PETA convention.