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		<title>By: Joe In NH</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66388</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe In NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets stop picking on Sarah. How many of us would turn down a chance to make big money, i.e., more than a million dollars in a short period of time and do so working just a few days a week. Staying at home with your family including a baby with special needs that will need more and more attention as he grows and being treated like a superstar when leaving the house to give speeches for $100K sounds good to me. Making a big book tour  when you get a seven figure advance. What is there to think about and what is wrong with her choice?  She knows  that 2012 is a century away and quite likely she and everyone we are talking about now will be ancient history by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets stop picking on Sarah. How many of us would turn down a chance to make big money, i.e., more than a million dollars in a short period of time and do so working just a few days a week. Staying at home with your family including a baby with special needs that will need more and more attention as he grows and being treated like a superstar when leaving the house to give speeches for $100K sounds good to me. Making a big book tour  when you get a seven figure advance. What is there to think about and what is wrong with her choice?  She knows  that 2012 is a century away and quite likely she and everyone we are talking about now will be ancient history by then.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66334</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie said..

I differ, however, with you that evolution, which is a science and proven fact, should be treated in the same classroom with ID or any religious belief. 

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Evolution is science, so is ID.  ID is not a religious belief anymore than Evolution is.

However ID is not as developed a paradigm as Evolution and should not be given equal treatment in the classroom or cirricula, IMO.  It should be discussed within the Evolution cirricula.  The controversy itself is a excellent teaching tool, for kids to understand what science is and is not....the assumptions of science, and its limitations.  Catching kids attention and interest as well, instead of nodding off in biology class.

We disagree, no need to agree to disagree.  We just simply disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie said..</p>
<p>I differ, however, with you that evolution, which is a science and proven fact, should be treated in the same classroom with ID or any religious belief. </p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>Evolution is science, so is ID.  ID is not a religious belief anymore than Evolution is.</p>
<p>However ID is not as developed a paradigm as Evolution and should not be given equal treatment in the classroom or cirricula, IMO.  It should be discussed within the Evolution cirricula.  The controversy itself is a excellent teaching tool, for kids to understand what science is and is not&#8230;.the assumptions of science, and its limitations.  Catching kids attention and interest as well, instead of nodding off in biology class.</p>
<p>We disagree, no need to agree to disagree.  We just simply disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66304</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is promising anyone special rights. ---oneon1

Special rights refer to laws granting rights to one or more groups which are not extended to other groups, such as affirmative action or hate crime legislation with regard to ethnic, religious or sexual minorities.

Protected class, identity groups.


Please deal with reality....oneon1

I find it fascinating that the Left always gets upset and uppity, when certain groups play the victim card.  Those would be the groups that are not afforded PC protections, special rights.   In a word those groups are the enemy of the coalition of identity groups, that the Left shepherds to undermine Western Civilization and demand racist sexist and other identity group special rights, priveleges, and dispensation.

In the UK for example, people in protected class identity groups are put ahead of indigenous whites when assigning Low Income Subsidized Housing.

The Left are racists, while claiming to be anti racist.  What this reveals is that they in fact they are is anti Western.

Youve been exposed....but you havent the good sense to be ashamed.  You are in fact proud of these achievements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is promising anyone special rights. &#8212;oneon1</p>
<p>Special rights refer to laws granting rights to one or more groups which are not extended to other groups, such as affirmative action or hate crime legislation with regard to ethnic, religious or sexual minorities.</p>
<p>Protected class, identity groups.</p>
<p>Please deal with reality&#8230;.oneon1</p>
<p>I find it fascinating that the Left always gets upset and uppity, when certain groups play the victim card.  Those would be the groups that are not afforded PC protections, special rights.   In a word those groups are the enemy of the coalition of identity groups, that the Left shepherds to undermine Western Civilization and demand racist sexist and other identity group special rights, priveleges, and dispensation.</p>
<p>In the UK for example, people in protected class identity groups are put ahead of indigenous whites when assigning Low Income Subsidized Housing.</p>
<p>The Left are racists, while claiming to be anti racist.  What this reveals is that they in fact they are is anti Western.</p>
<p>Youve been exposed&#8230;.but you havent the good sense to be ashamed.  You are in fact proud of these achievements.</p>
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		<title>By: midcon</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66285</link>
		<dc:creator>midcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oneon1isto,  Bill&#039;s snorts were not the cause of Bill&#039;s banning.  It was because he directly and repeatedly attacked Frum.    While David Frum can be criticized - and I do so whenever I see the need, there is a line.  Bottom line is that Bill violated the comment policy and even though he was about to be given a second chance, before that could happen he took his beef a bit further and lost any remaining chance.   Thus far escape has stayed away from personal attacks - although he tends to monopolize the discussion, so I don&#039;t think he is at risk of Bill&#039;s fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oneon1isto,  Bill&#8217;s snorts were not the cause of Bill&#8217;s banning.  It was because he directly and repeatedly attacked Frum.    While David Frum can be criticized &#8211; and I do so whenever I see the need, there is a line.  Bottom line is that Bill violated the comment policy and even though he was about to be given a second chance, before that could happen he took his beef a bit further and lost any remaining chance.   Thus far escape has stayed away from personal attacks &#8211; although he tends to monopolize the discussion, so I don&#8217;t think he is at risk of Bill&#8217;s fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66245</link>
		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: escape: Really?  On what point?

No one is promising anyone special rights.  The money we spend on social safety nets extends to all citizens who meet the qualifying need.  Individual programs that target specific populations of poor represent a fraction of our total GDP.

All of this is not part of some evil socialist scheme.  It&#039;s called trying to  mitigate the sharper edges of capitalism which tends to pool money in the system.  Social programs help maintain society by insuring against the problems caused by a large poor population.  These are necessary to maintaining order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: escape: Really?  On what point?</p>
<p>No one is promising anyone special rights.  The money we spend on social safety nets extends to all citizens who meet the qualifying need.  Individual programs that target specific populations of poor represent a fraction of our total GDP.</p>
<p>All of this is not part of some evil socialist scheme.  It&#8217;s called trying to  mitigate the sharper edges of capitalism which tends to pool money in the system.  Social programs help maintain society by insuring against the problems caused by a large poor population.  These are necessary to maintaining order.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66243</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oneon1isto is clearly wrong.

Minorities vote for the Democrats/Left, because the D/L stoke their fears and greivances into a narrative that has racist Whitey oppressing them in Apartheid South Africa fashion, and only the Democrats/Left can protect them from that.   And if that doesnt work, then we will promise you special rights, protections, preferences, over those evil WASPs.  And if that doesnt work, we will redistribute wealth from those evil Caucasian Capitalist Imperialist Oppressors of Brown folks around the globe, they are ill gotten gains anyway.

Its easy to see the allure of that messege to dark skinned folks.   But its damn ugly and vile.   But we are talking about the Left.  And so it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oneon1isto is clearly wrong.</p>
<p>Minorities vote for the Democrats/Left, because the D/L stoke their fears and greivances into a narrative that has racist Whitey oppressing them in Apartheid South Africa fashion, and only the Democrats/Left can protect them from that.   And if that doesnt work, then we will promise you special rights, protections, preferences, over those evil WASPs.  And if that doesnt work, we will redistribute wealth from those evil Caucasian Capitalist Imperialist Oppressors of Brown folks around the globe, they are ill gotten gains anyway.</p>
<p>Its easy to see the allure of that messege to dark skinned folks.   But its damn ugly and vile.   But we are talking about the Left.  And so it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66242</link>
		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;My point is that people who get part or all of their economic sustainance from government generally have more positive views toward the government than somewhat who receives little to no money from the government. &lt;/b&gt;

How about military retirees receiving lifelong pensions (2/3 of base pay if you stay in 25 years) and gold plated medical benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that people who get part or all of their economic sustainance from government generally have more positive views toward the government than somewhat who receives little to no money from the government. </p>
<p>How about military retirees receiving lifelong pensions (2/3 of base pay if you stay in 25 years) and gold plated medical benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside:  so Bill got banned eh?  His posts ran way too long because of his winking, grinning, and chuckling? Anyway,  I can see escape eventually joining up with him, though I don&#039;t think even Bill could stand him/her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside:  so Bill got banned eh?  His posts ran way too long because of his winking, grinning, and chuckling? Anyway,  I can see escape eventually joining up with him, though I don&#8217;t think even Bill could stand him/her.</p>
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		<title>By: Oneon1isto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oneon1isto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I see we&#039;re about where we left off yesterday. 

DFL: I think we&#039;ve finally circled back around to your original statement, which was &quot;They (blacks and hispanics) vote their pocketbooks and see the government as succor.&quot;  You&#039;ve now increased your tent, backtracking  and saying that anyone who sees a single government dollar tends to have a more positive view of government, and tends to lean Democratic.

Which if that were the case, you&#039;d be swimming in a sea of make-believe socialism.   Look, if you want argue against big government, fine.  I&#039;m with you 100% there.  We need to reduce government spending, particularly in entitlements and military.  But now you&#039;re arguing that anyone who receives government dollars has a positive view of government and thus of the Democrats?   That everyone in the military is probably Democrat?  Every farmer?  Every welfare recipient.

Like we said earlier in direct response to your utterly stereotypical remark (which you continue to press with &quot;17 is 50% larger than 12&quot;) the argument that minorities vote in large part based on government succor is false.  But now you&#039;re saying practically all of us should be Democrats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see we&#8217;re about where we left off yesterday. </p>
<p>DFL: I think we&#8217;ve finally circled back around to your original statement, which was &#8220;They (blacks and hispanics) vote their pocketbooks and see the government as succor.&#8221;  You&#8217;ve now increased your tent, backtracking  and saying that anyone who sees a single government dollar tends to have a more positive view of government, and tends to lean Democratic.</p>
<p>Which if that were the case, you&#8217;d be swimming in a sea of make-believe socialism.   Look, if you want argue against big government, fine.  I&#8217;m with you 100% there.  We need to reduce government spending, particularly in entitlements and military.  But now you&#8217;re arguing that anyone who receives government dollars has a positive view of government and thus of the Democrats?   That everyone in the military is probably Democrat?  Every farmer?  Every welfare recipient.</p>
<p>Like we said earlier in direct response to your utterly stereotypical remark (which you continue to press with &#8220;17 is 50% larger than 12&#8243;) the argument that minorities vote in large part based on government succor is false.  But now you&#8217;re saying practically all of us should be Democrats?</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/sarahs-story/comment-page-5#comment-66239</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Sarkozy and the French Governments take on Obama...

Sarkozy Thinks Obama is ‘Incredibly Naive and Grossly Egotistical’

http://www.breitbart.tv/sources-sarkozy-thinks-obama-is-incredibly-naive-and-grossly-egotistical/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Sarkozy and the French Governments take on Obama&#8230;</p>
<p>Sarkozy Thinks Obama is ‘Incredibly Naive and Grossly Egotistical’</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/sources-sarkozy-thinks-obama-is-incredibly-naive-and-grossly-egotistical/" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.tv/sources-sarkozy-thinks-obama-is-incredibly-naive-and-grossly-egotistical/</a></p>
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