Sarah Palin’s admirers defended her resignation as governor of Alaska on the grounds that the decision would free her to study the issues deeper and deliver some major statements on national policy.
Detractors countered that Palin resigned in order to cash her sudden and enormous fame. The “issues” were the last thing to interest her.
These contrasting hypotheses are about to be tested. Reuters reports that the publication date of Palin’s memoir has been brought forward to November 17, meaning that the book must already be substantially finished. The deal was signed in May – meaning four months of writing time. Obviously, we can’t evaluate the book before it’s published. But the schedule sure casts doubt on the “all about the issues” thesis – and lends credence to the alternative hypothesis that with Palin, it’s all about the Benjamins.
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1 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:07 am
I had the same reaction. She quit her job to write the book. I just hope for her sake that she takes time out to work with a speech coach and get ready for another round of Couric interviews.
2 Observer // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:09 am
I”m going to try to look on the bright side and hope for lots of pictures.
3 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18 am
Not just to write the book – you don’t get to take in 300K for speaking engagements if you’re still the Governor.
But the State of Alaska is also facing huge declines in the annual payout from the petroleum fund:
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE58N0CK20090924
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) – Each Alaskan adult and child will receive a $1,305 dividend from the state’s oil-wealth trust fund, but the annual payment will be less than half last year’s record windfall.
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Last year, $3,269 was sent to each Alaskan, including a record $2,069 dividend, plus a one-time “energy rebate” of $1,200 per Alaskan championed by then-Governor Sarah Palin, who went on to be the Republican vice presidential nominee.
Best to get out of office when your statewide approval rating is sky high, right? Pretty good chance that no matter who is Governor, the next Alaska poll they’ll take a beating over this.
4 DFL // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:40 am
Although I must admit to being amused with David Frum’s obsession with Sarah Palin, I am also forced to admit that he is correct in this instance. Mrs. Palin resigned her post as governor of Alaska so that she could oversee the writing of her book.
Yet Sarah Palin remains a top-tier contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 due to the lack of alternatives. The chameleon Mitt Romney has his limits due to his many opportunistic policy reverses and due to his religion. Mike Huckabee is weak beyond his base of support amongst Southern and Mid-Western religious voters. Tim Pawlenty and Mitch Daniels are bores. Haley Barbour’s Southern accent makes him unelectable in large swathes of the country. And so there is pretty, charismatic Sarah who makes a delightful speech, understands the modern media age and yet has no intellectual depth. Her brain trust seems to be limited to her husband.
5 Observer // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:57 am
Huntsman / Ridge 2012
6 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:05 am
dfl:”Yet Sarah Palin remains a top-tier contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 due to the lack of alternatives. The chameleon Mitt Romney has his limits due to his many opportunistic policy reverses and due to his religion. Mike Huckabee is weak beyond his base of support amongst Southern and Mid-Western religious voters. Tim Pawlenty and Mitch Daniels are bores.”
That because the GOP has become infested with “social conservatives” who’s only contribution to the the party is “support out troops” and “God loves family values.” Is it surprising there is no candidate with any depth? The GOP ha spurned intelligence for bigotry. But Palin shall deliver us…
7 Go Rogue On November 17th At A Borders Near You « Around The Sphere // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:50 am
[...] David Frum at New Majority: Sarah Palin’s admirers defended her resignation as governor of Alaska on the grounds that the decision would free her to study the issues deeper and deliver some major statements on national policy. [...]
8 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:09 pm
And the haters come out of the woodwork to spew there hate.
It used to be in America, that you could be unapologetically Christian, and large swaths of the electorate wouldnt belittle and sneer in the most vile manner, at you for it.
But the hatred for Western Civilization runs deep on the Left and they have been indoctrinating and attacking Christianity for a good while now.
They now have a large flock of haters developed, that openly mock morality.
What a shame.
9 midcon // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Sarah Palin is cashing in. Good for her! While I may not think she would have up to the role of President, I certainly do not begrudge her the right, opportunity, or good fortune that she is able to reap economic benefit for herself and her family. David Frum and others who buy her book will contribute to that economic well being. It’s the American way. She has something you want and you are willing to pay for it. So regardless of whether you love her or despise her, she and her family will benefit. If I were in her shoes, I’d be cashing in as well. We all would!
10 JeninCT // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Frum writes, “Obviously, we can’t evaluate the book before it’s published. But the schedule sure casts doubt on the “all about the issues” thesis – and lends credence to the alternative hypothesis that with Palin, it’s all about the Benjamins.”
Obama said, “Now I don’t have all the facts in the case, but I will say the cops acted stupidly.”
Hmmm….
11 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:20 pm
I think that what most people wanted was for her to stay in the Governorship, so she couldnt fight back and be slowly lawfared to death and vanish into obscurity (and poverty).
However she decided to up the ante and Go Rogue.
I would love to have Sarah Palin become Governor, if for no other reason than to piss of the Left.
12 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Give it a rest Escapefromreality.
Christians are just as free as they have always been to practice their religion. I am so sick and tired of all the victimology being practiced by so many Christians. One would think we no longer celebrate Christmas, Easter as official, national holidays they way some people go on. And yes, if Christians choose to be ignorant about how old the earth is and about evolution, they will be ridiculed just like we ridicule people who believe in using leeches for medical treatment.
13 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Leeches are good for medicinal purposes….you idiot!
Maybe you could fight anti Christian bigotry, instead of cheerleading it. You might have some credibility.
14 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:44 pm
escapevelocity I would love to have Sarah Palin become Governor, if for no other reason than to piss of the Left.
She was governor. But it was hard work.
15 Derek // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:45 pm
You would have to go back to the release of Being and Time to find a publishing event this important.
16 DFL // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:52 pm
The social conservatism that, according to one poster, infested itself into the Republican Party was actually the norm in both political parties until the social convulsions of the 1960s. After 1970, most of the Democratic elite turned its backs on Western Civilization, of which Christianity is a vital core. The Republicans, long the minority party of the country, won viable majorities only when they added social conservatives to its ranks.
17 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 12:56 pm
dfl, Ive been trying to explain that to the morons on this site, however you did so very succinctly and eloquently.
Kudos to you.
I dont think they are morons necessarily, but rather they are the products of the Anti christian biogtry being pushed by the Western Left.
18 Oneon1isto // Sep 29, 2009 at 1:49 pm
“Democratic elite turned its backs on Western civilization”?
Last I checked most of the Western world is secularizing much faster than we are so…I’m not sure who’s out of step with all of Western civilization, the Dems or the Republicans.
Anyway, contrary to popular belief, the Dems are a pretty religious group too, even if a few of their platforms beat against religious sentiment. The demon Hillary is a weekly church goer and for years taught Sunday School. Besides, it’s very hard to be the “anti-religion” group when two of your core demographics (African Americans and Hispanics) are very religious. So, ummm…yeah. Your point is a lil off.
19 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Europe is being Islamized, not secularized.
The stronger Christian faith countries like Italy and Ireland are doing much better.
Its not that the Western Left is anti Religion so much as they are anti White and anti Christian. You can see the Islamo Leftist alliance in Europe. Which exposes the Lefts true agenda, as anti Western.
20 Observer // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Look, it’s very simple. The moment my fellow Christians accept that the Constitution is a secular document and was always intended to create a secular republic is the moment I’ll start turning my energy to attacking anti-Christian bigotry.
Until then, attacking the blasphemous nightmare of religious politics will just have to remain my priority.
21 DFL // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Oneon1isto, very few black or Hispanic Americans vote their religious values, however inchoate. They vote their pocketbooks and see the government as succor.
22 joedee1969 // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:36 pm
This woman will hurt our chances to return to power. She is a national joke.
23 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:50 pm
The DofI is based in Christian metaphysics.
24 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Very true dfl.
The Left fosters divisive racist identity greivance politics and promises special goodies to curry votes and thus amass government power. The Left is a vile, like that.
25 DFL // Sep 29, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Sarah Palin has a one in ten chance of defeating Barack Obama in 2012. A very large part of the reason is that George W. Bush discredited his own party so thoroughly. What plausible policies can any Republican offer in 2012? Tax cuts? That’s a laugh. Republicans helped break the bank and helped produce high deficits for as long as the eye can see. More defense spending? The country’s broke. More foreign adventures? The country’s broke. More deregulation? That worked so well on Wall Street in recent times. Obama and the Democrats at least have a plausible myriad of policy proposals, however repellant they may be to conservatives. Bush’s failures have stripped us bare as the raunchiest go-go dancer. It could be that the Republicans will be counterpunchers for quite a while as the Democrats set the agenda.
By the way, Mitt Romney’s chances of defeating Obama in 2012 aren’t much better than Mrs. Palin’s.
26 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 3:44 pm
dfl, Barack Obama and the Democrats are going to lose the election, more than Republicans are going to win it.
They are the party in power and their policy agendas are going to be a dissaster. It would be better for them to do little to nothing than what they are doing. First do no harm.
Well they are bringing the pain, baby.
27 Oneon1isto // Sep 29, 2009 at 3:45 pm
re:dfl // Sep 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm:
Depends on what religious values you’re talking about. Jesus spoke about helping the poor and caring for your fellow man. I’m not sure he mentioned much about national defense or gay marriage. Either way, I think you’re far off base and stereotyping the hell out of both blacks and Hispanics. I think they vote for far different reasons than you imagine in your quaint, off kilter, world view.
One good example would be the 2000 elections. Hispanics came out in force for Bush at the time. One reason was they saw him as pushing for immigration reform, which he continued to do in light of party sentiment in 2004. Which I give him credit for. This was hardly for want of government money or “succor”, but to earn the right to pay taxes and work legally in our country, to work towards the American dream. Hardly succor.
Have you ever driven across “fly over country”? Most “welfare towns” are populated primarily by white people. I absolutely hate–no, I loathe–the insipid viewpoint that minorities sit at the government teat, while us red-blooded (read: white) Americans are the only ones who work hard. Complete and utter bull.
28 SpartacusIsNotDead // Sep 29, 2009 at 3:55 pm
dfl wrote: “They [blacks and hispanics] vote their pocketbooks and see the government as succor.”
It’s a really good thing that the white people on welfare (whose are numerically more than blacks or hispanics) and the white farmers who get govt subsidies and the white seniors who want to make sure the government stays out of their Medicare benefits don’t see the government as succor!
29 SpartacusIsNotDead // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm
dfl wrote: “Bush’s failures have stripped us bare as the raunchiest go-go dancer. ”
Bush merely happened to be the last conservative at the helm of the titanic. The crash course, however, was set long before Bush came to office. Conservatism, as practiced since 1980, has called for more and more tax cuts, more and more defense spending and less and less regulation. There certainly may have been a need for some of that in 1980, but the GOP’s religous adherence to those base ideologies over the past 30 years, in the face of all empirical evidence that harm would surely result eventually, is what caused the mess were in now.
30 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The DofI is based in Christian metaphysics.
No – the Divine Right of Kings was based in Christian metaphysics.
The founding fathers looked much more to the Athenian democracy, and to the Enlightenment, than to any Christian metaphysics in justifying their rejection of a ruler ordained by God in favor of a government based on the self-rule of man.
Can you find for me all those democratic concepts in the Bible you’d like us to consider?
31 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’m not sure (Jesus) mentioned much about national defense or gay marriage.
Actually, there’s a good case to be made that obsession with defense is as anti-Christian a principle as there is.
Jesus had the power of divinity – but he did not use that power to destroy those who would nail him to the cross. Jesus followers did not practice forceful insurrection, but rather accepted their sacrifice as a way to convince others that theirs was the real pathway to peace … that the Kingdom of God was not one to be protected with violence here on earth, but to be looked forward to after we shed our earthly forms.
If you kill someone else who is in sin – you have ensured that that person may never find Jesus, and will be denied eternal life. You have taken the power of salvation away from Jesus by obsessing over protection of your material good and body. It is the greatest sin that a man can commit.
32 DFL // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Blacks are disproportionately employed in various government bureaucracies from federal to state to county to city and town. I consider that government succor, the government teat as you will. As for Hispanics, although they are disproportionately not bureaucrats, they are disproportionate users of hospital emergency rooms, usually on the government dollar and not their own.
33 Reason60 // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:25 pm
lescapevelocity #19
“Its not that the Western Left is anti Religion so much as they are anti White and anti Christian.”
So this is the real complaint; its not that the liberals are irreligious- they are actually as religious as anyone- its that they are not white or Christian.
Palin et. al. represent the Burkean wing of conservatism, while Goldwater represented the Jeffersonian wing.
The Christian Right is not about populism or small government or liberty; they advocate for authority and a single vision of morality given by a clerical elite. This is the antithesis of the freedom of conscience advocated by most of the Founding Fathers.
(Sorry I couldn’t find a more contemporary conservative figure than Goldwater- really, I mean I am heartsick that no GOP figure since him has advocated liberty and intellectual freedom like him.)
34 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Reason,
I oppose racists, of every stripe….unfortunately the Western Left doesnt, and in fact promotes racist worldviews and ideology.
I am anti Racist.
Now you may be fine with racists, as long as they arent white European caucasian….like the rest of the Left.
That is one of the reasons I am virulently opposed to the Left.
I dont promote racist policies….the Left does.
As John Roberts said so succinctly….
“The Way to Stop Discrimination on the Basis of Race Is to Stop Discriminating on the Basis of Race”
35 Reason60 // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:35 pm
dfl // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Blacks are disproportionately employed in various government bureaucracies from federal to state to county to city and town. I consider that government succor, the government teat as you will. As for Hispanics, although they are disproportionately not bureaucrats, they are disproportionate users of hospital emergency rooms, usually on the government dollar and not their own.”
You consider government emplyment to be “on the teat” as if public employees amount to welfare. Yet it has already been pointed out that white people avail themselves of the teat in many more subtle ways. Agricultural subsidies mostly go to white people, yet few point the finger at farmers as “welfare cases”.
Government contracting is mostly pork barrel welfarism, from road-building to bombers. (How did Halliburton get no-bid contracts, and somehow misplace over a hundred million dollars?)
But lets not scrutinize the billions in welfare bailouts to white people, lets wring our hands over the millions that pay the salaries of black mailmen and county maintenance crews, and shriek over the fact that a woman working as a maid for sub-minimum wage will get treated at an emergency room on the public’s dime.
WWJD, indeed!
36 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Balconesfault, Ill do my best to educate you on the ignorance you profess. Ignorance promoted by the Western Left, in its war against Chrisitianity. They dont teach this stuff in Uni anymore….they teach the Leftwing Worldview, in which Christianity is the enemy, the reason fro the Dark Ages (instead of the entity that dragged them back out)…etc.
37 SpartacusIsNotDead // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:36 pm
balconesfault: “Jesus had the power of divinity – but he did not use that power to destroy those who would nail him to the cross.”
It’s really a shame that you’d have to give a quick primer on the basic tenets of Christianity to those who scream the loudest about it. They call themselves Christians but, based on their comments on NM, there’s very little in them that resembles Christ.
38 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:37 pm
What most of you are doing is arguing from ignorance and the bigotry that follows. You dont know any better.
39 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Next you will be telling me that John Milton wasnt arguing for and defending freedom of speech, centuries before the Enlightenment.
But alas, you have a very warped view of Western Civilization. Prefering revisionist Leftwing history.
40 midcon // Sep 29, 2009 at 4:51 pm
dfl you said “Blacks are disproportionately employed in various government bureaucracies from federal to state to county to city and town.”
Minorities comprised 32.1% of the total federal workforce in 2006. Blacks comprised 17.2% of the total federal workforce. That means 67.9% are non-minority and 72.1% are non-black.
Could you explain your definition of “disproportionately”? Does that mean you believe the percentage of blacks should be less than 17.2%? What’s the right percentage?
I do wish some of our posters would rely a bit more heavily on facts and not rhetoric.
41 Oneon1isto // Sep 29, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Midcon:
It means he or she is a troll that replies to almost every single commenter on NM with useless accusations and generalizations that are baseless and hardly rooted in any fact. Simple google searches are beyond this reader. I may have called you (midcon) “inane” once in the past, but this is beyond the pale. I have no clue where they find the time to post so mercilessly. But perhaps its not hard when you’re just making stuff up.
By the way, I have never called any commenter a troll–I think it’s a silly way of denouncing someone who disagrees with the general population on any given blog. I don’t think most are worthy of the term.
But in this case, I most certainly would call escapevelocity a troll. I have yet to read anything from them that furthers discussion on this blog, but rather disengages discussion of the topic and derails it entirely.
Speaking of trolls, where’s Bill
42 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Nothing like a little Palinomania to start the thread going…
Consider me a Palin detractor. She is no asset to Republicans, but if they think so…
If some want to fill her coffers, more power to them, it’s still America. Yet….I still can’t get over that any Republican would even remotely believe she is representative for high office. Oh wherefore art thou, Republicanism? Here’s the truth – if she weren’t so pretty, if she were some ordinary looking woman, there would be no hue and cry. As I repeated before, she is pretty. She can wink. That’s about it. That about sums it up for me.
escape… you are virulent in your hatred. Therefore, you are no Christian, no matter how bright and shiny you paint yourself. Hatred is antithetical to being a Christian. Christ was the Prince of Peace. Look it up. Sound like you need to read the Beatitudes.
As for your broadbrush against ‘the leftists’ etc… we are country made up of different ideas, different views, different originations where we vote and the majority wins . It’s called a representative democracy, and God bless it.
Your rants against ‘the left’ are so off base it isn’t funny. I am a Christian. I am a liberal. I graduated from CUNY, a hotbed of ‘liberalism.’ I hung around with people of all cultures, all religions. I got lectures from both liberals and conservatives. I can handle other people’s opinions, can differ with them, but can still keep mine. I am still a Christian, lost my way, found it, lost it again, …..it’s called life. But I don’t foist my beliefs on others.
We are all walking a path, and no one really knows where they are going. Life is a mystery. And I am very, very thankful that we live in a country where no one forces someone else to ‘believe’ or follow their version of ‘religious truth.’
Why can’t you?
43 sinz54 // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:11 pm
escapevelocity:
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) said that Iran is likely to have its first nuclear bomb in 1 to 3 years.
If Iran test-fires a bomb, and (as I expect) Obama does nothing substantive about it, Israel will strike Iran. And Obama’s name will be mud. Anybody will be able to beat him in 2012, even Sarah Palin. Iran could well doom the Obama presidency, just like it doomed the Carter presidency 30 years before.
I agree with “escapevelocity” on this one: 2012 is Obama’s to lose. And if Sen. Bayh is right, Obama will lose in 2012.
I would NOT be happy to see that. The possession of nuclear weapons by Iran will be a disaster for America, Israel, and even Europe–the fact that Obama will be gone from the White House is not much compensation for all that.
44 Oneon1isto // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:39 pm
re: Sinz
You seem bright, so I’d be interested in your take on Obama’s machinations on Iran…so I’m going to regurgitate a question (lightly edited) I posited on the narcissism post:
Are you not impressed with Obama’s current handling on Iran? He extends a hand to the Muslim world in Cairo, they nod their heads and agree. He extends a hand to Iran, they slap it away. Then he drops the evidence showing they have another secret nuclear facility right smack dab in the middle of the world during the UN conference, immediately after he leads the Council to agree on new Nuclear Non-Proliferation agreement. That is not narcissism, that is cold, hard, badass diplomacy.
Iran starts firing test missiles in response to this pressure…except that we’ve already positioned missile defenses capable of effectively defending Israel and attacking Iran–the move away from the unproven defense systems near Russia to the proven systems of our Navy.
Now you may be for some other form of engagement, but I view this positioning as fairly masterful. Add to that the internal turmoil in Iran, and they’re much, much worse of since Obama than during Bush.
Given the very unlikely alternative of all-out war, is this strategy not preferable?
45 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:42 pm
“If Iran test-fires a bomb, and (as I expect) Obama does nothing substantive about it, Israel will strike Iran. And Obama’s name will be mud. Anybody will be able to beat him in 2012, even Sarah Palin. Iran could well doom the Obama presidency, just like it doomed the Carter presidency 30 years before.”
Are there any scenarios that have Republicans winning and don’t involve Armageddon? Can we shoot for practical solutions that don’t involve nuclear holocaust, or Obama becoming a dictator?
I don’t care how bad the job situation gets, no one is going to vote for crazy.
46 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Maybe you could fight anti Christian bigotry, instead of cheerleading it. You might have some credibility
What bigotry? Rejecting evolution or science has nothing to do with being a Christian. I am so sick and tired of people like you who keep creating litmus tests. You can’t be a Christian unless you accept the ID idiocy. You can’ t be a conservative unless you are against reproductive rights, gay right or anti-science. Put a sock in it.
47 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm
The stronger Christian faith countries like Italy and Ireland are doing much better
You obviously have not been in Italy. The Pope is lucky if he can draw an Italian crowd. Most of the people in St. Peter’s square are tourists. Secularism is what has given us science, advances in medicine. Otherwise, we would still be believing that the sun orbits the earth.
48 BoolaBoola // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Get serious. Sarah Palin could no more write a book than she could govern a state. Or keep her daughter from getting boned.
The only question is, whom did the ghost-writer have to blow in order to get the contract.
49 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Chekote: For millions of people, there is no conflict between religion and science. I am adamantly pro-science, yet I still believe in God…. There are scientists and doctors and highly intelligent people who believe in God. One does not have to dilute the other. Yet, I am also vehemently against individuals like ‘escape’ who sure do sound like they are basically advocating religious fascism. Quite another story.
What we are debating is whether or not we advocate secular government & separation of church and state. Some people in this country would prefer this to be destroyed.
On this, I totally agree with you.
50 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:06 pm
sinz: you say you want to see something ’substantive’ by Obama against Iran.
Can you explain this please?
There are neocons right now who have been lusting for the bombing of Iran; it was originally all part of the greater PFNAC for a Pax Americana in that part of the world. Are you advocating all out war with Iran?
I am seriously concerned that our military right now is about stretched to the max. Suicide and depression rates are up; thousands of military families are undergoing enormous strain. Our soldiers are still dying in Iraq and Afghanistan . Shall we include Iran now? Even if there strategic bombing of arsenals, eventually that will open the Pandora’s box for a Middle East conflagration. …and the eschatological Christians will get their Armageddon, won’t they?
51 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Before addressing the Christian basis of the United States of America’s founding metaphysics and philosophy I would like to take this minute to point out the moral vacuousness of the Leftist Elite in the Roman Polanski affair.
That is some sick twisted shit right there. Vile, utterly disgusting. These people should be hounded from positions of power in the media, government and public discourse.
52 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Chekote: For millions of people, there is no conflict between religion and science. I am adamantly pro-science, yet I still believe in God — am
I am also adamantly pro science and believe in God. The use of the word “still” is quite revealing.
Furthermore, I fully support the seperation of Church & State, which was developed in Protestant Christian circles (those damn pesky Christians and their Christianity being the basis for the formatino and foundation of this nation again!)
The seperation was between Church and State. Its not a repudiation of Christianity as a philosophical and moral basis of policy making.
But the ignorant thick skulled or ideologically driven or the atheists cant seem to understand this basic concept. Or perhaps they dont give a shit about it, and are driven in their Anti Christian bigotry to twist it into something it is not in order to attack Christianity and drive it from Western political importance…..rewriting history, Constitutional reinterpretation.
Same ole, same ole.
53 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I am seriously concerned that our military right now is about stretched to the max. — annie margaret
Are military spending cuts the answer to this quandry?
We should be expanding our military budget not cutting it. Yet…
And thus the ideological agenda is revealed.
Faux concern for the military is beyond the pale. Yet Im sure that it will continue to be a hallmark of Leftwing Yahooism. Unlike the Leftwing Yahooism formulation “Afghanistan as the “good war,” which has already been revealed to be a lie perpetrated for political gain.
Obama is the perfect embodiment of the Left….He Complete You.
54 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Secularism is what has given us science, advances in medicine. Otherwise, we would still be believing that the sun orbits the earth. — Chekote
You are one ignorant yahoo.
55 midcon // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Oneon1isto
Bill has gone elsewhere – not by his choice but by Frum’s. He pushed the envelop a little too far. You can find Bill at http://usalyright.blogspot.com/
56 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Blacks comprised 17.2% of the total federal workforce. — midcom
And yet they are only 12 percent of the total population.
In the South the percentages are much much higher and disproportionate to their population as well. Of course people up on Whitey Wonderland dont give a shit about that. As long as their guilt is assuaged and those damn White Southerner deserve it dont they, heh?
When you live in a 50/50 Black/White town/city/county/state then those hiring preferences that seem so innocuous to some, really hurt certain groups of people. Legalized racism is not the answer to legalized racism.
Get a freeakin clue!
57 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm
escape… you are virulent in your hatred. —- Annie Margaret
I dont hate. I oppose evil.
Figure it out!
I oppose racists and those who support racist policies.
I oppose anti Christian bigots.
I oppose Muslim Supremacists.
I oppose people who would silence free scientific inquiry.
I oppose Child Rapists like Polanski, which the Left is defending.
Shall I continue?
58 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I guess you could say that I hate evil, and will continue to oppose it and the people who promote itwith every fiber of my being.
59 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 7:41 pm
I think that problem with most of you, is that you were indoctrinated into a set of beliefs and worldviews….and you are mighty proud of yourselves for being well educated. However you are not wise or educated, you represent the unexamined mind, you know a lot of facts but you are lacking in others. You are basically just ignorant bigots, but well educated ignorant bigots. You know things that arent true or are based on cherry picking facts and history to establish a narrative that is based on falsehoods and lies of ommission.
60 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:04 pm
“You are basically just ignorant bigots, but well educated ignorant bigots.”
What?
61 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:24 pm
You dont have to be uneducated to be an ignorant bigot.
Of course, that you dont understand that, is evidence of …
62 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:25 pm
You are the ignorant bigot Escape. Christianity has nothing to do with teaching ID, or small government. People like you have made a mish mash of things.
63 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:29 pm
You are one ignorant yahoo.
Open up a book and see what Galileo had to go through just because he contradicted the church’s teaching that earth was the center of the universe. Now we have people who under the guise of Christianity are pushing for crap like ID to be taught in science classes. I wish they same people would start denying the theory of gravity and jump off a cliff to prove their point.
64 Observer // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I propose that we all start to treat escapevelocity as the Democratic troll he obviously is.
No way in hell in that any actual person could maintain that persona in reality.
65 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:33 pm
By the way, Mitt Romney’s chances of defeating Obama in 2012 aren’t much better than Mrs. Palin’s.
Romney is done. Finished. Too many makeovers and Romneycare has put the final nail in his coffin.
66 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Observer
I think you are right. But I am so tired of people claiming that they can’t practice their Christian religion. Everyone is free to practice their religion in this country.
67 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:36 pm
escape,
Why can’t I be a conservative or Republican and not believe in God or believe in God as you do? Why can’t I be a conservative and not live in meaningless euphemisms like “family values?” Why can’t I be a conservative without having to validate my patriotism to people I find stupid?
How do you propose we deal with the Dixiecrat aspect of the GOP? Give them more voice?
68 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:39 pm
A conservative is someone who believes in limited government, strong defense and individual freedom. It has nothing to do with family values and social issues. We need to reclaim the definition of the term conservative or come up with something else. We cannot win as long as people identify the term conservative with anti-reproductive rights, anti-gay rights and teaching ID in science classes.
69 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Conservatism has perverted into Dixiecratism.
70 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I actually like RomneyCare.
But lets get back to Christian metaphysics as the basis for US government…particularly Protestant Christianity.
The individual is the basic unit of humanity…..and is what God is concerned with.
The individual has freewill.
The individual must be free to choose as a moral being, to walk with God, to sin, to repent, etc….this is as God intends, via Biblical revelation.
Freedom for the individual must be a priora in a system of governance…to allow for this.
Christian metaphysics.
You can go on and discuss inalienable God given rights….which is related to the framework I just produced.
The system of government is fully supported philosophically and morally by Christian ethics and metaphysics.
The Englightenment wasnt about a rejection of religion or Chrisitianity.
Science as a branch of Natural Philosophy was developed with the Christian faith and was dominated by teh Catholic Church at the early stages of the Renaisance….and prior and continuing into the Enlightenment.
Rewriting history to lower Christianity’s importance in Western Civilization, or making it into a pox on humanity that prevented man to flourish, is complete bollocks. Christianity saved Western Civilization and drug it out of post Roman Dark Ages.
71 brandon // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:45 pm
We will find an electable candidate for 2012. It won’t be Palin.
If the economy is in the toilet, unemployment is double digits and the world is a more dangerous place because of Obama’s incompetent foreign policy, we will take back the White House.
If the economy starts cooking, unemployment is low and the world is at peace, we will loose.
At the rate Obama is going in 2009, I know where I’d place my bet.
72 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:49 pm
A conservative is someone who believes in limited government, strong defense and individual freedom. It has nothing to do with family values and social issues. We need to reclaim the definition of the term conservative or come up with something else.
You need to brush up on your Burke, there Chekote. Perhaps you need to come up with something else, instead of trying to reinterpret or rewrite history.
We cannot win as long as people identify the term conservative with anti-reproductive rights, anti-gay rights and teaching ID in science classes. — Chekote
Conservatives are pro reproductive rights. Not about persecuting gays. And pro Science including ID.
The problem is that yahoos like to slander Conservatives and Christians. And those yahoos dominate the media and the universities.
What we need to do is take back the schools and unis and use expanded bandwidth to bypass the monopoly hostile environment that the media and particularly the news media have been for the last 30 years.
73 raygun // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Sarah should have looked up the definition(s) of rogue before going there.
74 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:52 pm
I find most people who oppose teaching evolution, have never experienced it.
75 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:52 pm
So Bill got banned? I just check out his website and saw that he recommeds Lew Rockwell. Isn’t Rockwell associated with racists groups?
76 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I find most people who oppose teaching evolution, have never experienced it.
The people who opposed it don’t understand it. Never bothered to actually find out what it says.
77 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Going rogue was one of the joke lines used by SNL. I don’t know why she would choose a title like that. But I stopped trying to figure out Palin.
78 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:56 pm
You dont have to believe in God to be a Conservative. However trashing Christianity is not Conservative.
Family values are conservative.
The family has been pre Christianity a foundation of civilization. Being anti family is beyond stupid.
You dont have to validate your patriotism to anyone. You can perfectly well be a patriot is quiet solitude. However when you go to Vietnam for a ride on the Soviet Anti Aircraft guns and denounce the US government….then?
Anti Southern bigotry is not a Conservative position. You can certainly appeal to Northerners by disparaging Southerners.
79 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Going rogue was one of the joke lines used by SNL. I don’t know why she would choose a title like that. But I stopped trying to figure out Palin. — Chekote
Its that humor that Conservatives have that RINOs apparently dont get, like Leftwingers.
80 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:02 pm
“The family has been pre Christianity a foundation of civilization. Being anti family is beyond stupid.”
Well that’s all fine – but “family values” is a relatively new euphemistic code word for “us” and not ” them.”
Being anti euphemism is beyond stupid – so far beyond, its intelligent.
81 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Us
13 year old girls
Them
Roman Polanski
I have no problem with that. Do you?
82 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Blacks comprised 17.2% of the total federal workforce. — midcom
And yet they are only 12 percent of the total population.
In the South the percentages are much much higher and disproportionate to their population as well.
Has it ever occurred to you that this discrepancy is very likely – particularly in the South – a residue of our racist past?
Because the fact is, that a significant number of the higher skilled jobs in our society are still obtained through “the good old boy network”. So-and-so is a friend of the family … can we find a place for him? That guy went to the right college (even if he got in as a 3rd generation legacy admission) … we like his type. And particularly in the South, more than anywhere else in the country “this is a family business, and a son/cousin/son-in-law will always get first shot at a job”.
The free market isn’t some perfect meritocracy like a lot of libertarians like to portray it. We live in an economy where who you know, or more importantly perhaps, who knows you, is more important (particularly at the entry level) than what you know. Do you think that Bush kept getting billionaires to invest in his gambits, and even to lend him millions to buy into ownership of the Texas Rangers, simply because of his great interpersonal skills?
And since the system that distributed wealth and access in this country was so long biased against blacks, even well into the last generation, whites control most of the gateways, and therefore the business world (particularly below the multi-national corporate level) still has an inherent bias against blacks, even if this bias is not born of intentional bigotry and racism, but simply “good old boyism”.
But there are very many qualified blacks. And thus, the doors to many jobs being not as easy for them to get into they end up being more likely to take lower paying government jobs. The nice thing about government jobs is that they generally follow posting rules – nobody gets the position because they get hired before anyone else even knows there’s a job opening … but rather someone gets the position after a fair competition.
I think that a lot of blacks tend to stay in government jobs longer, while whites are more likely to jump off to the private sector after gaining a few years experience on the public payroll. This is because blacks view the public sector hiring and promotion process as being less constrained by “good old boyism”, and thus more open to them … while they are aware of those gateways that still exist in the private sector, and fear that leaving a good government job might mean eliminating job security for them.
I’m not going to argue that no black has ever received a government job over a potentially more qualified white applicant. But I hope you’re not so foolish as to think that no white ever received a private sector job when there weren’t a number of black applicants who were equal or superior in ability and resume, but who never got a chance to compete for the position.
83 balconesfault // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Us
13 year old girls
Them
Roman Polanski
Yeah. Thank God the Bush Justice Department pressed the case against Polanski long ago, since liberals never would have done so.
Idiot.
84 nwahs // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:27 pm
”
Us
13 year old girls
Them
Roman Polanski
I have no problem with that. Do you?
”
Oh, so anti-pedophile is “family values.”
That will win the White House. “Yes our economic plan is nonexistent, but we hate pedophiles.”
Escape, that’s where we are right now. We have galvanized support for inconsequential matters. We are a bad stereotype.
85 raygun // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:28 pm
“Its that humor that Conservatives have that RINOs apparently dont get, like Leftwingers.”
Agreed, conservatives are pretty funny folk.
86 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Why can’t you? — Annie Margaret
Im pro liberty Annie. What are you on about?
I can handle both Evolution and ID scientific theories at the same time, without having to ban one from the classroom. Why cant you? They arent even mutually exclusive.
So I say to you..
Why can’t you?
87 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Oh, so anti-pedophile is “family values.”
That will win the White House. “Yes our economic plan is nonexistent, but we hate pedophiles.”
Nwahs said the above…
Nwahs, I certainly agree that its a freakin shame that that is where we are right now. You dont know how much I wish that we werent at this terrible point, that we have to argue about pedophiles and thier treatment by society.
But that is where the New Left Radicals have taken us.
Pedos have just been given special protected class status under the new Hate Crimes Bill, by the Leftist Democrat Congress.
You dont know how sorry I am that this is the level that this country has sunk to. It pains me to no end that we actually have to have debates about how pedos should be treated in the halls of Congress.
The New Left is a vile nest of scum and villiany.
But the important thing is to stick to your principles.
Sidenote: If it was Father Polanski, Im sure the Left would be chomping at the bit to attack the Catholic Church and prosecute.
But alas…
88 Observer // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:22 pm
- 86 comments
- Almost 30 escapevelocity comments
I think it’s time to call in the anti-trust people.
89 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Escape: I agree with you. I agree with you that our country is becoming more ‘villainy’… I know this might be hard for you to believe but there are people who are Democrats, like myself, that are deeply concerned about the welfare of the children in this country.
Yes, ‘pedophiles’ are coming out of the woodwork. Fathers and mother are not being fathers and mothers . Young girls are pushed into sexist roles before they are even 12 y/o now. Parents are too busy working to pay attention to what their children are doing, or not doing. Polanski is ’scum’ – he should be in jail and I deplore ‘the leftists’ who are trying to protect him. Getting a young girl drunk and then raping her is vile.
The human race is still evolving…and it doesn’t look like we are all evolving as we should. It is why I believe in evolution but I also believe God is the source. I differ, however, with you that evolution, which is a science and proven fact, should be treated in the same classroom with ID or any religious belief.
I don’t have any problem with children learning about ID, or religious beliefs in a class about religion. But we call it ‘belief’ for a reason. I feel that there is a God, and that He exists, but I cannot prove it. And I don’t believe mixing religion and politics is a good thing. Wiser men than we knew that when they founded this country. So we can agree to disagree about this one?
90 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Back to Palin: Instead of naming her book, “Going Rogue” if she had instead named it, “Going Away” even *I* would have bought her book!
91 Chekote // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 pm
However trashing Christianity is not Conservative.
People who insist that teaching that the world is 6,000 years old are the ones doing the trashing. All I said was that your claim that Christians cannot practice their faith openly is false. Christmas and Good Friday are national holidays. Again, it is the people who are hyping up this sense of victimhood among Christians that are doing the trashing.
,i>Family values are conservative.
Disagree. I am sure that Annie has strong family values and she is not a conservative. Conservatism is about a philosophy of governance. It is not about family values.
92 EscapeVelocity // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Democrats on the floor of Congress…
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/29/video-democratic-idiot-explains-the-gop-health-care-plan-to-you/
93 anniemargret // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Thank you, Chekote, for that…uh…I think that was a compliment of sorts, no? ;0)
Agreed. Sad to say that we have to divvy up America into two camps…the ‘pro-family values’ crowd (always Republicans of course) vs The Other. Millions of Democrats go to church, pay their bills, love their kids and coaching little league baseball.
I agree there are two philosophies of governance.
Only we are becoming too entranced with name-calling and putting people in boxes. True, I don’t consider myself a ‘conservative’ these days, because I am not really sure what that means in the vernacular. However, I am very pro-strong military, but not pro getting ourselves in unwinnable wars or immoral wars, or draining our military foolishly. I believe in fiscal discipline, but not corporate welfare at the expense of the working middle class and poor. Hmmmm….smaller government? That is, I believe government can assist when help is needed, for those that need it the most. Life does not mete out an even hand. Sometimes with a little help, the lowest of the low can rise up to great heights.
Terry Schiavo case, as sad as it was, was not a case of smaller government . I think there is room for improvement in both parties.
94 brandon // Sep 29, 2009 at 11:18 pm
For the record, Good Friday is not a national holiday. It is a state holiday in 10 states, but is not a federal holiday.
95 Chekote // Sep 30, 2009 at 12:40 am
annie
The idea that people who vote for Dems or believe in a centralized form of government are automatically anti-family values, not patriotic is just ludicrous. And I am sick of this kind of politics. I believe government should help those who can’t help themselves. Make sure that we are all playing by the same rules. I think most Americans share the same goals for our country but differ on what is the best way to achieve them.
96 greg_barton // Sep 30, 2009 at 2:38 am
It’s escapevelocity against evil.
He’s such a super hero, this one.
Alone against the horde.
It’s the essential delusion, isn’t it? That, along with perpetual victim status. Neatly self perpetuating, too.
97 anniemargret // Sep 30, 2009 at 7:29 am
chekote#95: I’m with you on this one. Let’s get the centrists together from both parties and make it a better country. Like a marriage, it requires adults who can do some giving…and taking. And thank you for your saying that.
98 midcon // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:49 am
escapevelocity, in your eagerness to put fingers to keyboard, you missed the thread and the context.
dfl had said that “Blacks are disproportionately employed in various government bureaucracies from federal to state to county to city and town.”
I pointed out that the a 17.2% representation in the federal workforce is a long way from the image the word “disproportionately” connotes. You see, real facts are so much more mundane than rhetoric.
While you may have achieved escape velocity, in the missile business that’s not necessarily a good thing especially when it’s all vector and no control.
I don’t need clues, as you suggest I get, because I rely upon data and facts. You should lay off the vegemite that stuff is no good for you!
I do wish some of our posters would rely a bit more heavily on facts and not rhetoric
99 DFL // Sep 30, 2009 at 9:24 am
17 is about 50 % larger than the number 12. It is disproportionately bigger.
My point is that people who get part or all of their economic sustainance from government generally have more positive views toward the government than somewhat who receives little to no money from the government. People who rely on government checks come in many colors- black postal deliverymen, white farmers from Iowa to California to Vermont, Harvard professors of any color(indirectly aided by the large federal subsidization of higher education), county workers in the black-majority region of south Alabama, white retirees on Social Security and Medicare living high on the hog on the Florida, Georgia and Carolina seashores, white roadbuilding executives, white and Asian IT workers living off federal contracts in Northern Virginia, white Kansas school teachers, black Prince George’s County school teachers, American Indians on reservations, illegal Mexican aliens receiving free medical care at hospitals in southern California or the chicken processing region on Maryland’s Eastern Shore. Generally, the more one relies on a government check the more likely one is going to support the Democratic Party. That is my point.
100 midcon // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:56 am
dfl, in general I agree with you that th epeople who get part or all of their sustainance from the government have more positive views. However, I am not sure that there is a direct correlation between that and the likelihood of them supporting the Democrats.
Let’s look at history. We went through 2 elections where a Republican was elected to the White House and yet what you say now was certainly also true then. All the constitutents you discussed were still feeding at the government trough.
Still your point is taken, that one’s opinion of the federal government is probably influenced by what you get from government. But I would disagree that it generally translates into support the Democratic party. And yet, I know that the 17% of blacks who are employed by the government are probably overwhelmingly support the Democratic party, but I would have attributed that less to their government employment than to their race.
101 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:59 am
Those Leftwing intellectuals are top notch! Top Notch conpiracy theorists and kooks!
US under Obama could slide into military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6854498.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
102 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:02 am
I forgot the money quote…from Gore Vidal
America has no intellectual class and is rotting away at a funereal pace, he believes. “We’ll have a military dictatorship soon, on the basis nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is.”
103 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:04 am
Here is Sarkozy and the French Governments take on Obama…
Sarkozy Thinks Obama is ‘Incredibly Naive and Grossly Egotistical’
http://www.breitbart.tv/sources-sarkozy-thinks-obama-is-incredibly-naive-and-grossly-egotistical/
104 Oneon1isto // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:05 am
Well, I see we’re about where we left off yesterday.
DFL: I think we’ve finally circled back around to your original statement, which was “They (blacks and hispanics) vote their pocketbooks and see the government as succor.” You’ve now increased your tent, backtracking and saying that anyone who sees a single government dollar tends to have a more positive view of government, and tends to lean Democratic.
Which if that were the case, you’d be swimming in a sea of make-believe socialism. Look, if you want argue against big government, fine. I’m with you 100% there. We need to reduce government spending, particularly in entitlements and military. But now you’re arguing that anyone who receives government dollars has a positive view of government and thus of the Democrats? That everyone in the military is probably Democrat? Every farmer? Every welfare recipient.
Like we said earlier in direct response to your utterly stereotypical remark (which you continue to press with “17 is 50% larger than 12″) the argument that minorities vote in large part based on government succor is false. But now you’re saying practically all of us should be Democrats?
105 Oneon1isto // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:05 am
As an aside: so Bill got banned eh? His posts ran way too long because of his winking, grinning, and chuckling? Anyway, I can see escape eventually joining up with him, though I don’t think even Bill could stand him/her.
106 balconesfault // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:15 am
My point is that people who get part or all of their economic sustainance from government generally have more positive views toward the government than somewhat who receives little to no money from the government.
How about military retirees receiving lifelong pensions (2/3 of base pay if you stay in 25 years) and gold plated medical benefits?
107 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:20 am
Oneon1isto is clearly wrong.
Minorities vote for the Democrats/Left, because the D/L stoke their fears and greivances into a narrative that has racist Whitey oppressing them in Apartheid South Africa fashion, and only the Democrats/Left can protect them from that. And if that doesnt work, then we will promise you special rights, protections, preferences, over those evil WASPs. And if that doesnt work, we will redistribute wealth from those evil Caucasian Capitalist Imperialist Oppressors of Brown folks around the globe, they are ill gotten gains anyway.
Its easy to see the allure of that messege to dark skinned folks. But its damn ugly and vile. But we are talking about the Left. And so it goes.
108 Oneon1isto // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:42 am
Re: escape: Really? On what point?
No one is promising anyone special rights. The money we spend on social safety nets extends to all citizens who meet the qualifying need. Individual programs that target specific populations of poor represent a fraction of our total GDP.
All of this is not part of some evil socialist scheme. It’s called trying to mitigate the sharper edges of capitalism which tends to pool money in the system. Social programs help maintain society by insuring against the problems caused by a large poor population. These are necessary to maintaining order.
109 midcon // Sep 30, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Oneon1isto, Bill’s snorts were not the cause of Bill’s banning. It was because he directly and repeatedly attacked Frum. While David Frum can be criticized – and I do so whenever I see the need, there is a line. Bottom line is that Bill violated the comment policy and even though he was about to be given a second chance, before that could happen he took his beef a bit further and lost any remaining chance. Thus far escape has stayed away from personal attacks – although he tends to monopolize the discussion, so I don’t think he is at risk of Bill’s fate.
110 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 4:41 pm
No one is promising anyone special rights. —oneon1
Special rights refer to laws granting rights to one or more groups which are not extended to other groups, such as affirmative action or hate crime legislation with regard to ethnic, religious or sexual minorities.
Protected class, identity groups.
Please deal with reality….oneon1
I find it fascinating that the Left always gets upset and uppity, when certain groups play the victim card. Those would be the groups that are not afforded PC protections, special rights. In a word those groups are the enemy of the coalition of identity groups, that the Left shepherds to undermine Western Civilization and demand racist sexist and other identity group special rights, priveleges, and dispensation.
In the UK for example, people in protected class identity groups are put ahead of indigenous whites when assigning Low Income Subsidized Housing.
The Left are racists, while claiming to be anti racist. What this reveals is that they in fact they are is anti Western.
Youve been exposed….but you havent the good sense to be ashamed. You are in fact proud of these achievements.
111 EscapeVelocity // Sep 30, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Annie said..
I differ, however, with you that evolution, which is a science and proven fact, should be treated in the same classroom with ID or any religious belief.
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Evolution is science, so is ID. ID is not a religious belief anymore than Evolution is.
However ID is not as developed a paradigm as Evolution and should not be given equal treatment in the classroom or cirricula, IMO. It should be discussed within the Evolution cirricula. The controversy itself is a excellent teaching tool, for kids to understand what science is and is not….the assumptions of science, and its limitations. Catching kids attention and interest as well, instead of nodding off in biology class.
We disagree, no need to agree to disagree. We just simply disagree.
112 Joe In NH // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Lets stop picking on Sarah. How many of us would turn down a chance to make big money, i.e., more than a million dollars in a short period of time and do so working just a few days a week. Staying at home with your family including a baby with special needs that will need more and more attention as he grows and being treated like a superstar when leaving the house to give speeches for $100K sounds good to me. Making a big book tour when you get a seven figure advance. What is there to think about and what is wrong with her choice? She knows that 2012 is a century away and quite likely she and everyone we are talking about now will be ancient history by then.
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