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		<title>By: Jim_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>((yawn))
Limbaugh established YEARS ago that his books were &quot;written&quot; by someone else. He didn&#039;t type a single word. Constructed entirely from recorded commentary.</description>
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Limbaugh established YEARS ago that his books were &#8220;written&#8221; by someone else. He didn&#8217;t type a single word. Constructed entirely from recorded commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Usually the cover would have something like “by Rush Limbaugh with John Fund”, with the “with John Fund” part in smaller print. &lt;/b&gt;

Sorry - but no.   Who knows if &quot;usually&quot;, but one helluva lot of time the ghost is never acknowledged publicly.  Pick up a copy of &quot;Profiles in Courage&quot; some day and look for &lt;i&gt;Ted Sorenson &lt;/i&gt;anywhere on the cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually the cover would have something like “by Rush Limbaugh with John Fund”, with the “with John Fund” part in smaller print. </p>
<p>Sorry &#8211; but no.   Who knows if &#8220;usually&#8221;, but one helluva lot of time the ghost is never acknowledged publicly.  Pick up a copy of &#8220;Profiles in Courage&#8221; some day and look for Ted Sorenson anywhere on the cover.</p>
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		<title>By: msmilack</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmilack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GoProud

If I said anything that hurt your feelings or offended you, I am genuinely sorry. I can&#039;t seem to say anything right to you, but honestly, it is not my intention that you should feel as you do about my comments. I am really trying to understand your point of view. Take it for what it&#039;s worth. I wish you well.</description>
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<p>If I said anything that hurt your feelings or offended you, I am genuinely sorry. I can&#8217;t seem to say anything right to you, but honestly, it is not my intention that you should feel as you do about my comments. I am really trying to understand your point of view. Take it for what it&#8217;s worth. I wish you well.</p>
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		<title>By: msmilack</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmilack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault
Your description of O&#039;Reilly closely matches one I heard Stewart make in a different interview where he described O&#039;Reilly (I&#039;m paraphrasing) as an intelligent man wrapped in a bubble of ego. Whatever his exact words were, Stewart&#039;s insight was the same as yours, that O&#039;Reilly&#039;s thin skin makes him explosive which in turn covers up or distracts from what is really good mind. Of course, after calling him the sanest voice at Fox, Stewart adds: &quot;that&#039;s like saying you&#039;re the thinnest person at fat camp&quot;. It is a very, very interesting interview. Definitely watch the unedited version which is more powerful than the one that aired.

It&#039;s available on Fox at: 
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4003531/entire-jon-stewart-interview/?playlist_id=86923

If you lack the proper software (Adobe flash), you can find the five parts on u-tube starting at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WGtg1uXQQ</description>
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Your description of O&#8217;Reilly closely matches one I heard Stewart make in a different interview where he described O&#8217;Reilly (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) as an intelligent man wrapped in a bubble of ego. Whatever his exact words were, Stewart&#8217;s insight was the same as yours, that O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s thin skin makes him explosive which in turn covers up or distracts from what is really good mind. Of course, after calling him the sanest voice at Fox, Stewart adds: &#8220;that&#8217;s like saying you&#8217;re the thinnest person at fat camp&#8221;. It is a very, very interesting interview. Definitely watch the unedited version which is more powerful than the one that aired.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s available on Fox at:<br />
<a href="http://video.foxnews.com/v/4003531/entire-jon-stewart-interview/?playlist_id=86923" rel="nofollow">http://video.foxnews.com/v/4003531/entire-jon-stewart-interview/?playlist_id=86923</a></p>
<p>If you lack the proper software (Adobe flash), you can find the five parts on u-tube starting at:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WGtg1uXQQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WGtg1uXQQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought both of Rush&#039;s books as a college student.  It didn&#039;t occur to me that they were ghosted, as they did not feature anyone else&#039;s name on the cover.  Usually the cover would have something like &quot;by Rush Limbaugh with John Fund&quot;, with the &quot;with John Fund&quot; part in smaller print.  This is disappointing to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought both of Rush&#8217;s books as a college student.  It didn&#8217;t occur to me that they were ghosted, as they did not feature anyone else&#8217;s name on the cover.  Usually the cover would have something like &#8220;by Rush Limbaugh with John Fund&#8221;, with the &#8220;with John Fund&#8221; part in smaller print.  This is disappointing to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: GOProud</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOProud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>msmilak contends: &quot;To be honest, I want very much not to call anybody names...&quot;

Honesty is a trait that has escaped your short grasp.  For someone who claims not to want to name call, you do it with particular talent.

Hypocrite.  Democrat... oh, that&#039;s redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msmilak contends: &#8220;To be honest, I want very much not to call anybody names&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Honesty is a trait that has escaped your short grasp.  For someone who claims not to want to name call, you do it with particular talent.</p>
<p>Hypocrite.  Democrat&#8230; oh, that&#8217;s redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: GOProud</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOProud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see the ol&#039; tribe of trolls here are back to their rare form... msmilack (a new one or just another invention in the long route of faked names?), TeaBagged, CentristNY, BlankHead et al.  Is their a secret code when you know to pile on where the truth is being told, off-script?

msmilack at #12: &quot;GOProud While I find it difficult to understand your post (literally)....&quot;  Sure you do sweety... it because it contains truth.  That always throws you trolls.  I have a cartoon, coloring book version for you msmilack... it might be more at your level of understanding complex concepts not approved by the DailyKos.  I won&#039;t even grade you on staying in the lines, either... that would be beyond your abilities.

The simple truth is that Obama likely did have a student ghost-write his pieces for the Harvard L Review... he&#039;s proven over and over he just isn&#039;t that smart to be able to complete a sentence without using &quot;I&quot; or &quot;me&quot; 100 times in the sentence.  Proving it would be difficult because it&#039;s very likely a major donor has already vanquished the participants with enough happy cash and a severe no-disclosure contract that would put them in poor house for years... besides, at Harvard L, it&#039;s likely the ghost-writer would now be an Obama czar or appointee... knowing how that crowd plays fast and loose with the public purse and vetting.

Our teleprompter Prez has never worked for anything he has --it came at the luxury of affirmative action quotas and his willingness to ignore 1/2 of his racial heritage in exchange for perpetual privilege at the expense of non-white students.  It&#039;s the unjust enrichment that many others in a similar position feel is a right granted by America&#039;s racial history.  We&#039;ve got them at Michigan, too.  You can tell who they are by the number of mentors and tutors who follow them around campus.

Frankly, I think it&#039;s what we must do to erase the guilt all non-colored people feel for the wrongs committed throughout our history... right up to the modern day civil rights period.  But that doesn&#039;t change the likely truth about Obama and his condition while at Harvard L.

Obama, just like his Veep Joe Biden, is the kind of man who would indeed cheat and plagiarize to get ahead especially because he --just like Joe Biden at Syracuse L School-- didn&#039;t merit advancement to L School based on his capabilities... he got there because of society&#039;s loop hole on claiming racial status.  Obama has already proven a keen disposition to say anything, spin everything, promise the moon and transparency on C-SPAN if it will get him some applause and a vote or two.

When Democrats and Obama Messiah worshipers can admit to the simple facts and reality, they can drop their well earned title of Cowards on Race.  Because that&#039;s exactly what each of the trolls on this thread are: Cowards on Race.

Like with John Edwards and his lovely, seemingly adoring wife, we now know that there are lots of secrets well-kept behind most Democrat politicians.  It took a long time for the Edwards controversy to come out of hiding... the MSM helping to keep it hidden from the public.

Obama using a ghost-writer to shave off some responsiblity?  Sure.  Biden lying and cheating to get ahead in L School.  The record is indisputable there.  TeddieK lying and getting kicked out of college? Sure. Al Gore appearing to be GoGreen only to learn his family holdings include a huge toxic chemical processing facility and a house which has a monthly electric bill that drawfs most Americans&#039; yearly income?

Duplicity and lying from Democrats?  Say it ain&#039;t so Joe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see the ol&#8217; tribe of trolls here are back to their rare form&#8230; msmilack (a new one or just another invention in the long route of faked names?), TeaBagged, CentristNY, BlankHead et al.  Is their a secret code when you know to pile on where the truth is being told, off-script?</p>
<p>msmilack at #12: &#8220;GOProud While I find it difficult to understand your post (literally)&#8230;.&#8221;  Sure you do sweety&#8230; it because it contains truth.  That always throws you trolls.  I have a cartoon, coloring book version for you msmilack&#8230; it might be more at your level of understanding complex concepts not approved by the DailyKos.  I won&#8217;t even grade you on staying in the lines, either&#8230; that would be beyond your abilities.</p>
<p>The simple truth is that Obama likely did have a student ghost-write his pieces for the Harvard L Review&#8230; he&#8217;s proven over and over he just isn&#8217;t that smart to be able to complete a sentence without using &#8220;I&#8221; or &#8220;me&#8221; 100 times in the sentence.  Proving it would be difficult because it&#8217;s very likely a major donor has already vanquished the participants with enough happy cash and a severe no-disclosure contract that would put them in poor house for years&#8230; besides, at Harvard L, it&#8217;s likely the ghost-writer would now be an Obama czar or appointee&#8230; knowing how that crowd plays fast and loose with the public purse and vetting.</p>
<p>Our teleprompter Prez has never worked for anything he has &#8211;it came at the luxury of affirmative action quotas and his willingness to ignore 1/2 of his racial heritage in exchange for perpetual privilege at the expense of non-white students.  It&#8217;s the unjust enrichment that many others in a similar position feel is a right granted by America&#8217;s racial history.  We&#8217;ve got them at Michigan, too.  You can tell who they are by the number of mentors and tutors who follow them around campus.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think it&#8217;s what we must do to erase the guilt all non-colored people feel for the wrongs committed throughout our history&#8230; right up to the modern day civil rights period.  But that doesn&#8217;t change the likely truth about Obama and his condition while at Harvard L.</p>
<p>Obama, just like his Veep Joe Biden, is the kind of man who would indeed cheat and plagiarize to get ahead especially because he &#8211;just like Joe Biden at Syracuse L School&#8211; didn&#8217;t merit advancement to L School based on his capabilities&#8230; he got there because of society&#8217;s loop hole on claiming racial status.  Obama has already proven a keen disposition to say anything, spin everything, promise the moon and transparency on C-SPAN if it will get him some applause and a vote or two.</p>
<p>When Democrats and Obama Messiah worshipers can admit to the simple facts and reality, they can drop their well earned title of Cowards on Race.  Because that&#8217;s exactly what each of the trolls on this thread are: Cowards on Race.</p>
<p>Like with John Edwards and his lovely, seemingly adoring wife, we now know that there are lots of secrets well-kept behind most Democrat politicians.  It took a long time for the Edwards controversy to come out of hiding&#8230; the MSM helping to keep it hidden from the public.</p>
<p>Obama using a ghost-writer to shave off some responsiblity?  Sure.  Biden lying and cheating to get ahead in L School.  The record is indisputable there.  TeddieK lying and getting kicked out of college? Sure. Al Gore appearing to be GoGreen only to learn his family holdings include a huge toxic chemical processing facility and a house which has a monthly electric bill that drawfs most Americans&#8217; yearly income?</p>
<p>Duplicity and lying from Democrats?  Say it ain&#8217;t so Joe!</p>
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		<title>By: rbottoms</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbottoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I don’t know what he said about multiculturalism, but I support literacy tests, or at least a basic civics test, consistently applied.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell you what, as soon as all 20 million black people get a case of amnesia so they forget Jim Crow and that whole hang &#039;em if they try to vote thing ever happened, you can have your literacy test.

Even I wouldn&#039;t have guess that the very first words uttered at the Teabagger&#039;s Ball would insult and infuriate every black person in America, but then I&#039;ve misunderestimated the GOP before.

It could happen, because I know there must be some kind of pill that every Right Wing wack job ingests to induce their mindset it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know what he said about multiculturalism, but I support literacy tests, or at least a basic civics test, consistently applied.</p>
<p>Tell you what, as soon as all 20 million black people get a case of amnesia so they forget Jim Crow and that whole hang &#8216;em if they try to vote thing ever happened, you can have your literacy test.</p>
<p>Even I wouldn&#8217;t have guess that the very first words uttered at the Teabagger&#8217;s Ball would insult and infuriate every black person in America, but then I&#8217;ve misunderestimated the GOP before.</p>
<p>It could happen, because I know there must be some kind of pill that every Right Wing wack job ingests to induce their mindset it.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>msmilack - I&#039;ll look it up - thanks.

O&#039;Reilly is maddening at times - he can be a very reasonable man ... until he takes something personally.  At that point he can quickly switch to a pugilistic mode where he doesn&#039;t care about facts and becomes utterly irrational in his attacks.

Re Limbaugh - to a certain extent I think that if he didn&#039;t exist, some people with a lot of money would create him, although I&#039;ll note that Limbaugh is a very talented performer and he would be able to develop an audience even if he weren&#039;t a water carrier for corporate America.  But consider Glenn Beck - there is a man with virtually no talent, but simply a willingness to take his punditry to an extreme past the line where most would stop (kind of the carney geek of American punditry) and the man has his own show on Fox.  A civil society would have kicked his rantings to the curb long ago, but he there are obviously some people with money who like him getting airtime and developing an audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msmilack &#8211; I&#8217;ll look it up &#8211; thanks.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Reilly is maddening at times &#8211; he can be a very reasonable man &#8230; until he takes something personally.  At that point he can quickly switch to a pugilistic mode where he doesn&#8217;t care about facts and becomes utterly irrational in his attacks.</p>
<p>Re Limbaugh &#8211; to a certain extent I think that if he didn&#8217;t exist, some people with a lot of money would create him, although I&#8217;ll note that Limbaugh is a very talented performer and he would be able to develop an audience even if he weren&#8217;t a water carrier for corporate America.  But consider Glenn Beck &#8211; there is a man with virtually no talent, but simply a willingness to take his punditry to an extreme past the line where most would stop (kind of the carney geek of American punditry) and the man has his own show on Fox.  A civil society would have kicked his rantings to the curb long ago, but he there are obviously some people with money who like him getting airtime and developing an audience.</p>
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		<title>By: msmilack</title>
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		<dc:creator>msmilack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balconesfault
I just watched the unedited version of the Bill O&#039;Reilly interview with Jon Stewart (which is wonderful b/w) and Stewart, in a very compelling way, makes an argument very similar to your point about talk radio (in part 2); you should watch it. I found all five parts of u-tube though Fox (to its credit) has offered it on-line. Their conversation is exactly what I think is best about opposing views in a conversation with disagreement that does not become disagreeable. I totally loved it and loved hearing both points of view.</description>
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I just watched the unedited version of the Bill O&#8217;Reilly interview with Jon Stewart (which is wonderful b/w) and Stewart, in a very compelling way, makes an argument very similar to your point about talk radio (in part 2); you should watch it. I found all five parts of u-tube though Fox (to its credit) has offered it on-line. Their conversation is exactly what I think is best about opposing views in a conversation with disagreement that does not become disagreeable. I totally loved it and loved hearing both points of view.</p>
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