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		<title>By: nooffensebut</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/richard-spencers-nordic-supermen/comment-page-3#comment-117743</link>
		<dc:creator>nooffensebut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Knepper,

I hope you have a chance to read this, and I would respectfully ask you to read a few entries on my blog:

http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/

I agree with much of your assessment of white nationalism, but I would consider myself, for lack of a better term, a race realist because I think that is the point of view to which any rational person would come after looking at the scientific evidence.  Furthermore, I do not think it is possible to defend classical liberalism without accepting race realism because individualism accepts that virtues like intelligence exist.  Many virtues are partly genetic, and genetic differences are not very equally distributed by place of origin.  Believing in virtue opens you to the charge of racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Knepper,</p>
<p>I hope you have a chance to read this, and I would respectfully ask you to read a few entries on my blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I agree with much of your assessment of white nationalism, but I would consider myself, for lack of a better term, a race realist because I think that is the point of view to which any rational person would come after looking at the scientific evidence.  Furthermore, I do not think it is possible to defend classical liberalism without accepting race realism because individualism accepts that virtues like intelligence exist.  Many virtues are partly genetic, and genetic differences are not very equally distributed by place of origin.  Believing in virtue opens you to the charge of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: amarranazo</title>
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		<dc:creator>amarranazo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m late to the debate, but &quot;...Odinism is typically — though not always — racialist in orientation, usually emphasizing the bloodline of the adherent&quot;.  That sounds like Judaism.  My rabbi told me that I didn&#039;t have to believe in God to be a Jew.  That makes it pretty clear we&#039;re talking about a cult to and of ethnicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m late to the debate, but &#8220;&#8230;Odinism is typically — though not always — racialist in orientation, usually emphasizing the bloodline of the adherent&#8221;.  That sounds like Judaism.  My rabbi told me that I didn&#8217;t have to believe in God to be a Jew.  That makes it pretty clear we&#8217;re talking about a cult to and of ethnicity.</p>
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		<title>By: hhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derek12 –

 The Federal Government responded because The States were clearly denying individual liberty to its citizens as. The KKK and other influential politicians thwarted The Constitution in order to promote there racist vision for America. They brutally burnt and hung blacks on trees in order to freely associate amongst themselves. There is a limit to getting rid of people you don’t want to associate with just because you feel you own the road. In America both black and white can travel on the same road we do not have to hug but we both have a right to travel the same road. You don’t get to kick me off because you want to walk that road with white only white people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derek12 –</p>
<p> The Federal Government responded because The States were clearly denying individual liberty to its citizens as. The KKK and other influential politicians thwarted The Constitution in order to promote there racist vision for America. They brutally burnt and hung blacks on trees in order to freely associate amongst themselves. There is a limit to getting rid of people you don’t want to associate with just because you feel you own the road. In America both black and white can travel on the same road we do not have to hug but we both have a right to travel the same road. You don’t get to kick me off because you want to walk that road with white only white people.</p>
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		<title>By: DFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest David Hackett Fischer&#039;s &quot;Albion&#039; s Seed&quot; for an explanation of the demographic roots of Anglo America.  These were the folks who settled a continent-sized nation and did most of the working, thinking and dying as they forged a new nation.  I don&#039;t think that many thought of America as a &quot;proposition nation&quot; as many neo-conservatives erroneously do.  They certainly did not believe in America becoming a rootless, Third World mossaic of a nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest David Hackett Fischer&#8217;s &#8220;Albion&#8217; s Seed&#8221; for an explanation of the demographic roots of Anglo America.  These were the folks who settled a continent-sized nation and did most of the working, thinking and dying as they forged a new nation.  I don&#8217;t think that many thought of America as a &#8220;proposition nation&#8221; as many neo-conservatives erroneously do.  They certainly did not believe in America becoming a rootless, Third World mossaic of a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellacious Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellacious Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Burzum’s Varg Vikernes — or, as he prefers, ‘Count Grishnackh’ — was imprisoned fifteen years ago for the brutal slaying of a rival musician and was only recently released. &quot; 

Nah, Varg doesn&#039;t like to be called Grishnackh anymore.

&quot; All I know is getting into Valhalla has nothing to do with your heritage; Valhalla is reserved for Viking warriors who die in combat.&quot;

No, there are other ways to get in.  One can hang themselves like Odin did to gain entrance.  (P.S. I am Half-Norwegian gifted with Aryan Ancestral Memory!)

&quot; I hope nobody thinks the Vikings (I assume they are they poster boys for this nonsense) were racist. &quot;

Look up the word &#039;skraeling&#039;.

&quot;America was created, not out of a race or ethnicity, but out of an IDEA–the idea that all men are created equal and equally entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.&quot;

Sigh.  

The first federal naturalization law, the Naturalization Act of 1790, restricted American citizenship to “free white persons.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Burzum’s Varg Vikernes — or, as he prefers, ‘Count Grishnackh’ — was imprisoned fifteen years ago for the brutal slaying of a rival musician and was only recently released. &#8221; </p>
<p>Nah, Varg doesn&#8217;t like to be called Grishnackh anymore.</p>
<p>&#8221; All I know is getting into Valhalla has nothing to do with your heritage; Valhalla is reserved for Viking warriors who die in combat.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, there are other ways to get in.  One can hang themselves like Odin did to gain entrance.  (P.S. I am Half-Norwegian gifted with Aryan Ancestral Memory!)</p>
<p>&#8221; I hope nobody thinks the Vikings (I assume they are they poster boys for this nonsense) were racist. &#8221;</p>
<p>Look up the word &#8217;skraeling&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8220;America was created, not out of a race or ethnicity, but out of an IDEA–the idea that all men are created equal and equally entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh.  </p>
<p>The first federal naturalization law, the Naturalization Act of 1790, restricted American citizenship to “free white persons.”</p>
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		<title>By: S.L. Toddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.L. Toddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It meant a love of individualistic freedom; dealing with one’s neighbors peacefully, honestly, and fairly; and always keeping alive the dream of success through one’s own efforts.&quot;

OH!  So Mr. Knepper is wrong about what defines an &quot;American&quot;.  Also, the citizens of the UK might find it interesting to know that they, too, are &quot;Americans&quot;.   As are Canadians!  How fascinating.  And idiotic.

&quot;But an American citizen who chooses to... etc etc&quot;

No one is disputing that there are certain beliefs we Americans consider &quot;American&quot;.  They are considered &quot;American&quot; because they were widely held by the historic American people (i.e. the descendants of the original British settlers, as well as the descendants of those who came after that assimilated into American culture to the extent that they are culturally indistinguishable from the descendants of those settlers) - that is what makes them &quot;American&quot;.  It is not the belief that defines what an American is, it is what *Americans* belief that defines those beliefs as &quot;American&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It meant a love of individualistic freedom; dealing with one’s neighbors peacefully, honestly, and fairly; and always keeping alive the dream of success through one’s own efforts.&#8221;</p>
<p>OH!  So Mr. Knepper is wrong about what defines an &#8220;American&#8221;.  Also, the citizens of the UK might find it interesting to know that they, too, are &#8220;Americans&#8221;.   As are Canadians!  How fascinating.  And idiotic.</p>
<p>&#8220;But an American citizen who chooses to&#8230; etc etc&#8221;</p>
<p>No one is disputing that there are certain beliefs we Americans consider &#8220;American&#8221;.  They are considered &#8220;American&#8221; because they were widely held by the historic American people (i.e. the descendants of the original British settlers, as well as the descendants of those who came after that assimilated into American culture to the extent that they are culturally indistinguishable from the descendants of those settlers) &#8211; that is what makes them &#8220;American&#8221;.  It is not the belief that defines what an American is, it is what *Americans* belief that defines those beliefs as &#8220;American&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: derek12</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People self-segregate, especially in sex. Interracial marriages are still a small minority in America. As American citizens, we have a total right to freedom of association–which includes the right to NOT associate with those we don’t prefer.&quot;

Ever heard of affirmative action? Fair Housing laws?  School busing?  

If I try to set up a business that only serves or employs white people will you guarentee the government won&#039;t come after me?

We lost our freedom of association in the 1960s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People self-segregate, especially in sex. Interracial marriages are still a small minority in America. As American citizens, we have a total right to freedom of association–which includes the right to NOT associate with those we don’t prefer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever heard of affirmative action? Fair Housing laws?  School busing?  </p>
<p>If I try to set up a business that only serves or employs white people will you guarentee the government won&#8217;t come after me?</p>
<p>We lost our freedom of association in the 1960s.</p>
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		<title>By: S.L. Toddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.L. Toddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what YOU want is for racialist preferences to drive Federal policy. That you will not get. Because it’s un-American.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry - pre-1964 American immigration policy was... &quot;un-American&quot;?  How so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what YOU want is for racialist preferences to drive Federal policy. That you will not get. Because it’s un-American.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; pre-1964 American immigration policy was&#8230; &#8220;un-American&#8221;?  How so?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.L. Toddard: &lt;blockquote&gt; People prefer the company of those with whom they share an ancestral memory. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
If that &quot;ancestral memory&quot; is visible, yes.  (Few Americans require genetic testing of all their friends.  If one of them has a drop of African blood in his ancestry, few acquaintances would know it.)

People self-segregate, especially in sex.  Interracial marriages are still a small minority in America.  As American citizens, we have a total right to freedom of association--which includes the right to NOT associate with those we don&#039;t prefer.

But what YOU want is for racialist preferences to drive Federal policy.  That you will not get.  Because it&#039;s un-American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.L. Toddard:  People prefer the company of those with whom they share an ancestral memory.<br />
If that &#8220;ancestral memory&#8221; is visible, yes.  (Few Americans require genetic testing of all their friends.  If one of them has a drop of African blood in his ancestry, few acquaintances would know it.)</p>
<p>People self-segregate, especially in sex.  Interracial marriages are still a small minority in America.  As American citizens, we have a total right to freedom of association&#8211;which includes the right to NOT associate with those we don&#8217;t prefer.</p>
<p>But what YOU want is for racialist preferences to drive Federal policy.  That you will not get.  Because it&#8217;s un-American.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.L. Toddard: &lt;blockquote&gt; A Frenchman who chooses to believe in X, Y and Z does not cease to be a Frenchman.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
But an American citizen who chooses to believe in Totalitarianism, or Islamism, or Nazism, or Communism, is often labeled &quot;un-American&quot; by his neighbors.  The Ku Klux Klan, made up of American citizens proud of their Southern ancestry, was considered &quot;un-American&quot; by the FBI.

We used to have a &quot;House Committee on Un-American Activities,&quot; which investigated the alleged &quot;un-American&quot; activities of American citizens. Clearly there was a concept of &quot;un-American&quot; that had nothing to do with British ancestry.  What was it?

In America, everybody knows what it means for an American citizen to act &quot;un-American.&quot;
Why don&#039;t you?

Want another example?  For many years till political correctness began in the 1970s, the comic book character Superman was characterized as fighting for &quot;truth, justice, and the American way.&quot;

So here you had a space alien from another planet fighting for &quot;the American way.&quot;  Clearly that wasn&#039;t due to his ethnicity, but to something else.  What?  

Every kid who read those comic books, and their parents, knew what &quot;the American way&quot; meant.   It didn&#039;t mean being of British descent.  It meant a love of individualistic freedom; dealing with one&#039;s neighbors peacefully, honestly, and fairly; and always keeping alive the dream of success through one&#039;s own efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.L. Toddard:  A Frenchman who chooses to believe in X, Y and Z does not cease to be a Frenchman.<br />
But an American citizen who chooses to believe in Totalitarianism, or Islamism, or Nazism, or Communism, is often labeled &#8220;un-American&#8221; by his neighbors.  The Ku Klux Klan, made up of American citizens proud of their Southern ancestry, was considered &#8220;un-American&#8221; by the FBI.</p>
<p>We used to have a &#8220;House Committee on Un-American Activities,&#8221; which investigated the alleged &#8220;un-American&#8221; activities of American citizens. Clearly there was a concept of &#8220;un-American&#8221; that had nothing to do with British ancestry.  What was it?</p>
<p>In America, everybody knows what it means for an American citizen to act &#8220;un-American.&#8221;<br />
Why don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Want another example?  For many years till political correctness began in the 1970s, the comic book character Superman was characterized as fighting for &#8220;truth, justice, and the American way.&#8221;</p>
<p>So here you had a space alien from another planet fighting for &#8220;the American way.&#8221;  Clearly that wasn&#8217;t due to his ethnicity, but to something else.  What?  </p>
<p>Every kid who read those comic books, and their parents, knew what &#8220;the American way&#8221; meant.   It didn&#8217;t mean being of British descent.  It meant a love of individualistic freedom; dealing with one&#8217;s neighbors peacefully, honestly, and fairly; and always keeping alive the dream of success through one&#8217;s own efforts.</p>
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