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		<title>By: dmt3</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-48336</link>
		<dc:creator>dmt3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54:  Actually, DCAA has had their own troubles lately (http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-08-993T).  Those issues notwithstanding, you are correct DCAA is generally respected by industry because of the due diligence manner in which they perform their job.  I know my company sits up and takes notice even just for a DCAA desk audit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54:  Actually, DCAA has had their own troubles lately (<a href="http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-08-993T" rel="nofollow">http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-08-993T</a>).  Those issues notwithstanding, you are correct DCAA is generally respected by industry because of the due diligence manner in which they perform their job.  I know my company sits up and takes notice even just for a DCAA desk audit.</p>
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		<title>By: Go Dog Go!</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-40452</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Dog Go!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that Republicans should wait until Dems hang themselves is just as dumb as hoping the President fails. Our nation could fail -- actually FAIL -- if we (all of us) don&#039;t get it right. Nothing could be more cynical than hoping our country falls into disaster just so conservatism can play white knight and take over again. I think being &quot;the party of no&quot; is the functional equivalent of waiting for failure and it&#039;s an untenable position for our country. To me, the real &quot;Anti-Americans&quot; are those who would see us fail for their own power. Is this what the GOP wants to be? A lot of conservatives are wondering...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that Republicans should wait until Dems hang themselves is just as dumb as hoping the President fails. Our nation could fail &#8212; actually FAIL &#8212; if we (all of us) don&#8217;t get it right. Nothing could be more cynical than hoping our country falls into disaster just so conservatism can play white knight and take over again. I think being &#8220;the party of no&#8221; is the functional equivalent of waiting for failure and it&#8217;s an untenable position for our country. To me, the real &#8220;Anti-Americans&#8221; are those who would see us fail for their own power. Is this what the GOP wants to be? A lot of conservatives are wondering&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fact based</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-45422</link>
		<dc:creator>fact based</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sinz54  you are totally correct now listen to newt rush sean and cantor and the rest of their puppets rant about &quot;socialism&quot; and you tell me how much bipartisan support he will get to do the nationalization

Let lindsey graham, greenspan, newt , cantor and a bunch of other repubs get on a podium with obama and the dem leadership and declare that no matter how unpleasant nationalization seems the alternatives are far worse

unfortunately till the above happens we wont move forward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinz54  you are totally correct now listen to newt rush sean and cantor and the rest of their puppets rant about &#8220;socialism&#8221; and you tell me how much bipartisan support he will get to do the nationalization</p>
<p>Let lindsey graham, greenspan, newt , cantor and a bunch of other repubs get on a podium with obama and the dem leadership and declare that no matter how unpleasant nationalization seems the alternatives are far worse</p>
<p>unfortunately till the above happens we wont move forward</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-39412</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fact based:  Where these &quot;zombie&quot; banks are concerned, both Bush and Obama are proceeding down the same path as Japan did in the 1990s:  Outright nationalization is politically incorrect, so let&#039;s just take an equity stake in the banks instead, and let them continue to zombie around.  That failed in Japan, and contributed to their long economic malaise.  The banking crisis won&#039;t be solved until the zombies are either killed off, merged into successful banks, or nationalized.  If I remember correctly, that&#039;s how the S&amp;L crisis was handled--and that was successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fact based:  Where these &#8220;zombie&#8221; banks are concerned, both Bush and Obama are proceeding down the same path as Japan did in the 1990s:  Outright nationalization is politically incorrect, so let&#8217;s just take an equity stake in the banks instead, and let them continue to zombie around.  That failed in Japan, and contributed to their long economic malaise.  The banking crisis won&#8217;t be solved until the zombies are either killed off, merged into successful banks, or nationalized.  If I remember correctly, that&#8217;s how the S&#038;L crisis was handled&#8211;and that was successful.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-45280</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InTheMiddle12 &amp; Jlloyd:  An example of what you&#039;re talking about is the Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA).  These are the &quot;guys with green eyeshades&quot; who oversee auditing of defense contracts, and perform accounting services to all government agencies doing defense-related procurement.  In the defense industry, known for pork and questionable practices, DCAA has kept its nose clean.  Every project manager treats DCAA auditors with a healthy respect--DCAA can shut down even the largest defense projects if they discovered accounting or contract fraud.  And by law, DCAA is required to make its own internal audits publicly accessible for peer review (you can download them yourself from DCAA&#039;s website).  So there is an example of a long-standing successful government auditing function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InTheMiddle12 &#038; Jlloyd:  An example of what you&#8217;re talking about is the Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA).  These are the &#8220;guys with green eyeshades&#8221; who oversee auditing of defense contracts, and perform accounting services to all government agencies doing defense-related procurement.  In the defense industry, known for pork and questionable practices, DCAA has kept its nose clean.  Every project manager treats DCAA auditors with a healthy respect&#8211;DCAA can shut down even the largest defense projects if they discovered accounting or contract fraud.  And by law, DCAA is required to make its own internal audits publicly accessible for peer review (you can download them yourself from DCAA&#8217;s website).  So there is an example of a long-standing successful government auditing function.</p>
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		<title>By: fact based</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/republicans-must-do-more-than-say-no/comment-page-2#comment-49450</link>
		<dc:creator>fact based</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason I agree with unemployment+ underemployment at 15% headed to 20% the repubs should concentrate on rules concerning &quot;the media&quot; because the left wing bias doesnt let the views of the right (like sean, rush, beck ,levin etc etc etc etc) get out to the public.

Go for it I am sure every family in america going over their budgets and bills on the kitchen table after dinner is asking why govt cant fix the &quot;bias of the msm&quot;.

the more you stay in the bubble the more you will be in the wilderness

enjoy it, I will

oh and btw check the ratings for desperate housewives,mtv and other racy fare in the bible belt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason I agree with unemployment+ underemployment at 15% headed to 20% the repubs should concentrate on rules concerning &#8220;the media&#8221; because the left wing bias doesnt let the views of the right (like sean, rush, beck ,levin etc etc etc etc) get out to the public.</p>
<p>Go for it I am sure every family in america going over their budgets and bills on the kitchen table after dinner is asking why govt cant fix the &#8220;bias of the msm&#8221;.</p>
<p>the more you stay in the bubble the more you will be in the wilderness</p>
<p>enjoy it, I will</p>
<p>oh and btw check the ratings for desperate housewives,mtv and other racy fare in the bible belt</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Keuter sez:  &#039;For a start, the Republicans should call for privatization of the airwaves.&quot;  Evidently you are unaware that social conservatives *within the GOP* have been calling for *more* regulation of the broadcast networks.  Specifically, they want the FCC to reinstitute the &quot;Family Hour,&quot; which would ban programming from 8 to 9 PM that involves adult themes. Surf over to the website of Brent Bozell&#039;s &quot;Parents&#039; Television Council,&quot; or read his columns on Townhall.com.  The Parents&#039; Television Council has been issuing one petition after another to the FCC and the courts, to urge them to crack down on nudity and other adult material on the broadcast networks.  Your libertarian ideas not only won&#039;t fix the economic crisis we&#039;re in now, but they also conflict with the social conservatives&#039; drive to regulate the media to promote &quot;family values.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Keuter sez:  &#8216;For a start, the Republicans should call for privatization of the airwaves.&#8221;  Evidently you are unaware that social conservatives *within the GOP* have been calling for *more* regulation of the broadcast networks.  Specifically, they want the FCC to reinstitute the &#8220;Family Hour,&#8221; which would ban programming from 8 to 9 PM that involves adult themes. Surf over to the website of Brent Bozell&#8217;s &#8220;Parents&#8217; Television Council,&#8221; or read his columns on Townhall.com.  The Parents&#8217; Television Council has been issuing one petition after another to the FCC and the courts, to urge them to crack down on nudity and other adult material on the broadcast networks.  Your libertarian ideas not only won&#8217;t fix the economic crisis we&#8217;re in now, but they also conflict with the social conservatives&#8217; drive to regulate the media to promote &#8220;family values.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chekote:  There are some good *reasons* why the media--and let&#039;s face it, most of the public too--have tuned us out.  The election is OVER, remember?  The voters made their choice in November already; they picked Obama.  Obama is still in his honeymoon phase--he was inaugurated less than 2 months ago--and the public is sticking with him for now, according to the public opinion polls.  Beyond that, the GOP lost the public&#039;s trust on a number of issues, over a number of years.  The public won&#039;t start listening to the GOP again, until the GOP takes substantive actions to regain that trust.  I proposed one dramatic way the GOP could do that, in the upcoming debate over health care.  But the GOP, and many conservatives, seem to have forgotten that just four months ago, the voters already rejected them and the proposals they made.  The voters clearly wanted something different.  So far, the GOP hasn&#039;t shown it can do anything different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chekote:  There are some good *reasons* why the media&#8211;and let&#8217;s face it, most of the public too&#8211;have tuned us out.  The election is OVER, remember?  The voters made their choice in November already; they picked Obama.  Obama is still in his honeymoon phase&#8211;he was inaugurated less than 2 months ago&#8211;and the public is sticking with him for now, according to the public opinion polls.  Beyond that, the GOP lost the public&#8217;s trust on a number of issues, over a number of years.  The public won&#8217;t start listening to the GOP again, until the GOP takes substantive actions to regain that trust.  I proposed one dramatic way the GOP could do that, in the upcoming debate over health care.  But the GOP, and many conservatives, seem to have forgotten that just four months ago, the voters already rejected them and the proposals they made.  The voters clearly wanted something different.  So far, the GOP hasn&#8217;t shown it can do anything different.</p>
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		<title>By: Chekote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chekote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, the Dems have done a great job convincing people that the markets have failed. It may be better for the GOP to just get off the stage and let the Dems hang themselves on the rehashed, liberal 60s, retro policy prescriptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, the Dems have done a great job convincing people that the markets have failed. It may be better for the GOP to just get off the stage and let the Dems hang themselves on the rehashed, liberal 60s, retro policy prescriptions.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jlloyd: &quot;Speculators&quot; in short selling cannot possibly drive a stock down below its true value for very long.  If  a wave of speculators tried to drive down the value of Coca-Cola or Microsoft stock like the way you claim they&#039;re driving down Citigroup, they might succeed for a couple of months.  But afterward, they would not only fail, but they would incur huge losses--because every investor knows that those are solid companies and would rush to buy those stocks at cheap prices.  Speculators can never drive a sound company into bankruptcy--only the company can, or the industry it represents can.  The problem with Citigroup is that it deserves to be cheap, because the entire financial system is collapsing.  BTW:  Your attacks on anonymous &quot;speculators&quot; sound very much like Franklin Roosevelt&#039;s in the 1930s.  And both of you are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jlloyd: &#8220;Speculators&#8221; in short selling cannot possibly drive a stock down below its true value for very long.  If  a wave of speculators tried to drive down the value of Coca-Cola or Microsoft stock like the way you claim they&#8217;re driving down Citigroup, they might succeed for a couple of months.  But afterward, they would not only fail, but they would incur huge losses&#8211;because every investor knows that those are solid companies and would rush to buy those stocks at cheap prices.  Speculators can never drive a sound company into bankruptcy&#8211;only the company can, or the industry it represents can.  The problem with Citigroup is that it deserves to be cheap, because the entire financial system is collapsing.  BTW:  Your attacks on anonymous &#8220;speculators&#8221; sound very much like Franklin Roosevelt&#8217;s in the 1930s.  And both of you are wrong.</p>
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