As Sarah Palin embarks on a publicity tour for her book, conservative commentators have again taken to likening the former Alaska governor to the GOP’s revered conservative icon Ronald Reagan. Palin, like Reagan, brands herself as an articulate conservative.
Both Palin and Reagan were governors from Western states, but the similarities end there. When Reagan entered the White House, he had successfully completed two terms as governor of California and had run for president against President Ford. Palin chose not to complete her first time as governor.
Reagan’s Republicanism was that of the big tent—the kind where contrasting opinions, even on matters like abortion, were tolerated. The Republican party of the 1980s, under Reagan, provided a comfortable home to social conservatives, fiscal libertarians, and intellectual neoconservatives. Although this coalition existed in some form as early as 1968, it was Reagan who knew how to unite the center-right and the right. Today, Palin commands the allegiance solely of modern social conservatives.
“I know you can’t endorse me,” Regan announced to a gathering of thousands of evangelical pastors in Dallas, “but I endorse you!” Reagan, however, was ultimately a pragmatist. He also endorsed illegal immigrants living in America’s “shadows,” granting amnesty to 3 million of them, and he endorsed supporters of nonproliferation, signing an arms reduction agreement with Gorbachev. The Gipper even endorsed opponents of a 1978 California initiative to ban gays from working in the state’s schools. Reagan’s advisors in the White House were not Moral Majority crusaders but fellow pragmatists.
Whom does Sarah Palin endorse? She endorses challengers to Republicans who are not of like mind. Palin’s endorsement of third-party candidate Doug Hoffman over the nontraditional Republican Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd congressional district is tantamount to backing a party purge. Asked about the Democratic victory in a district the GOP has controlled for over a century, Palin said, “I’m glad to see this.”
Reagan was a leader devoted to new ideas, one who poured through books and policy papers to hone his conservative policies. Here, too, Palin lacks Reagan’s thoughtfulness. Reagan could articulate straightforwardly why negotiations with the Soviet Union were necessary. Palin, on the other hand, can’t speak coherently even on a hot-button issue like Israeli settlements. “I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon because [the] population of Israel is going to grow,” she said this week. “More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead.” Her ignorance that the settlement debate revolves around “natural growth” and not immigration is unacceptable for a politician who resigned from public office to focus more on ideas.
Despite Palin’s disavowal of her infamous Katie Couric interview, which she admits “wasn’t a good interview,” that terribly wincing moment for the Republican party when Sarah Palin could not name a single Supreme Court ruling she disagreed with, other than Roe v. Wade, of course, is shameful and should disqualify her from serving as the Republican party’s spokesperson. It should not take prepping by campaign handlers for any American, let alone one at the center of the nation’s political arena, to repudiate Plessy or Korematsu. Does the Alaskan school system not teach Dred Scott? “Gotcha” questions or not, Reagan would not have blundered so.
Reagan helped to relieve the country of the malaise that had plagued it since the 1970s and to revitalize Americans’ love for their country and interest in government. It is hard to imagine the Great Communicator ever going rogue.
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1 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:12 am
Reagan never “went rogue”–but Goldwater did.
The disastrous 1964 GOP convention, in which Goldwater’s hard-core rightists battled the moderates like Rockefeller, split the party and helped contribute to LBJ’s landslide win.
2 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:37 am
Correction. Reagan went “rogue”.
Iran Contra anyone? The only president who was a gun runner and a drug dealer at the same time!!!! That’s pretty rogue in my book.
3 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:55 am
teabag:
That’s not what Frum meant by “going rogue”.
But that’s OK, you’re here to stir up trouble. You’re playing the Joker to Frum’s Batman.
4 Chekote // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:59 am
Asked about the Democratic victory in a district the GOP has controlled for over a century,
Correction. The Dems held this seat several times during the last 100 years. The last Democrat to hold this seat prior to the recent election was in 1993. Check it out yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_congressional_district
To many times this site repeats Democrat talking points without hesitation. I say this as a fan.
5 Chekote // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:02 pm
“I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon because [the] population of Israel is going to grow,” she said this week. “More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead.” Her ignorance that the settlement debate revolves around “natural growth” and not immigration is unacceptable for a politician who resigned from public office to focus more on ideas.
Not only was it a ignorant statment. But it would be a dangerous statement had she said that as US VP. Her foreign policy is based on her religious beliefs. This is nuts. I say this as a strong backer of Israel.
6 cpanza // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Chekote’s right, thought Frum’s overall point is well taken. The district since 94 has been very, very lopsidedly Republican.
7 mpolito // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Um, Scozzafava, as I have said many times, was a lousy candidate. Why should Palin bow down to the party elders in New York who picked Scozzafava as a candidate? If she was chosen by voters in a primary, then Palin would have been wrong. But she was the GOP establishment pick, and a lousy pick at that. What kind of candidate calls the cops when someone tries to ask her questions? If the people wanted her in that election, she would have had more support. But she didn’t, and they didn’t. She did, however, manage to stab the GOP in the back and hand the seat over to Democrats. She, not Hoffman, was the spoiler. Is this how moderates play in the GOP? Stabbing the party in the back? How is that promoting a big tent, exactly?
8 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Chekote, how is it a “Democratic talking point” to assert that the Republicans have held the 23rd congressional seat in New York for more than a hundred years, when wikipedia (to which you linked!) confirms it?
Wiki says: “Owens is the first Democrat to represent the area that now makes up NY-23, since the 19th century.”
9 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:38 pm
sinz54 said
“teabag:
That’s not what Frum meant by “going rogue”.
But that’s OK, you’re here to stir up trouble. You’re playing the Joker to Frum’s Batman.”
I don’t think it’s a joking matter that a President behaves in an illegal manner, far from it.
Reagan started a trend among Republican Presidents. His Criminal administration was followed by Nixon (Watergate) and Bush2 (Torture).
The only non criminal among recent Republican Presidents seems to be Bush1, that’s probably because he was not found out.
10 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I guess this speaks volumes about the state of the Republican mind today:
facts = “Democratic talking point”
11 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 12:46 pm
mpolito, Palin and her ilk completely distorted Scozzafava’s conservative record which is why her poll numbers tanked. The media gave Palin a bullhorn and she completely drowned out the truth with her reckless version of reality. Other than Scozzafava’s support for marriage equality — which drives the wingers nuts — her record and positions were in nearly perfect alignment with majority conservative positions. I agree that had Scozzafava been a more skillful candidate, she might have been able to turn Palin’s snub into a badge of honor, but events unfolded too quickly and it became impossible to compete with Palin’s mindless twitters, which drew national attention.
12 ProfNickD // Nov 22, 2009 at 1:24 pm
sinz54,
The problem in ‘64 was not that Goldwater split the party, but that the Rockefeller Republicans split the party — it’s the same thing that Crist is doing in Florida.
13 PracticalGirl // Nov 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm
“Reagan could articulate straightforwardly why negotiations with the Soviet Union were necessary. Palin, on the other hand, can’t speak coherently even on a hot-button issue like Israeli settlements. ”
An edit? “Reagan could articulate. Sarah Plain, on the other hand can’t speak coherently.” Period.
Ronald Reagan was able to sell his pragmatic positions because first, he had some, and second, because he and the people who surrounded him believed in speaking amd representing ALL of America, not just a narrow segment. Palin not only doesn’t care to represent all Americans, she has a disdain for many of us that is palpable.
But Reagan and Palin do have something in common. Their most ardent supporters have a tendency to apply selective amnesia to the actions of each in an attempt to nearly deify their chosen one. Reagan and Palin each have become Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny all rolled into one for supporters who want to elevate their mythological standing while ignoring their faults. At least with Reagan, we have a record of some good policies to go along with the more questionable ones (amnesty without any other policies to prevent the same, blank-check, deficit spending etc.) that might make this posthumously understandable.
But Palin? The one who mocked Barack for being “just a community organizer” and a “celebrity” has done nothing more than emulate both. Palin, who used a media opp to laud the 700 billion dollar Lehman-Fannie-Freddie bailout as necessary, now has somehow woven her Facebook magic to convince supporters that she did not. Her supporters have living evidence of her serious flaws, an inability to articulate anything beyond “commonsense”, and a strong, demonstrated disinterst in the hard work of governing-and apparently don’t care.
14 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm
………In many ways Reagan’s presidency was a considerable success and I certainly don’t subscribe to the view that he was a total dunderhead…..anyone whose read some of his radio scripts can attest to that…..having said that he was hardly “hands on” and so while he hired some exceptionally good people like Shultz and Regan he also had a lot of extremists in his administration like Poindexter, Abrams and the little colonel and they were not properly supervised and so went off the reservation and then when he found out he lied about it and then was forced to admit he’d lied…..by this time his powers were obviously failing, a bit like Churchill in the early 50’s, and it’s probably uot unreasonable to suspect he was starting to suffer the onset of Alzheimers judging by the nature of some of his performances late in the presidency……Conservatives have been engaged in a thirty year campaign to elevate his status to “great” so they have someone to stack up against FDR and Truman but in reality he was average, I certainly wouldn’t rank him as highly as Eisenhower……he had some successes and one huge failure (tripling the national debt)…….I particularly respected his decision to pull the marines out after their barracks were bombed…….it was entirely the right decision and provoked little or no comment at the time……..the uproar that would ensue if today in similar set of cirmcumstances Obama pulled out guys out is a measure of the the extent to which the right have politicized national security decisiom making
15 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 2:01 pm
” Reagan and Palin each have become Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny all rolled into one for supporters who want to elevate their mythological standing while ignoring their faults.”\
You are quite right PG. St Ronny of Reagan has become a deficit hawk who was right on all matters to his worshipers. He was neither.
16 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Here is a question for all the fiscal conservatives on this site.
Who was the last Republican President to actually reduce the national debt during the lifetime of their Presidency? I really want to know (it was less at the end than at the start).
If you can say by how much it was reduced as well I would appreciate it.
17 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 2:06 pm
ProfNickD // Nov 22, 2009 at 1:24 pm
“sinz54,
The problem in ‘64 was not that Goldwater split the party, but that the Rockefeller Republicans split the party — it’s the same thing that Crist is doing in Florida.”
…….No the right hi jacked the party but the truth is the moderate wing didn’t put up much of a struggle because no one was going to beat Johnson in 1964 so they were quite prepared to let the lunatic fringe self destruct……..it will be the same in 2012 probably…….if Palin wants to go for it the establishment are likely to shrug their shoulders and let her and the far right self destruct
18 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Here is a clue for you deficit hawks.
Fiscal Year Party of President Federal Spending increase Federal Debt increase GDP increase
1978-2005 Democratic 9.9% 4.2% 12.6%
1978-2005 Republican 12.1% 36.4% 10.7%
19 Kevin B // Nov 22, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Teabag, I’m guessing you weren’t around in the 1970’s or 1980’s, based on your belief that Reagan was followed by Nixon.
(I’m not all that clear on the order of the order of the Presidents between, say, Monroe and FDR., but I know Nixon was elected in 1968 and Reagan in 1980.)
20 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 3:14 pm
You are right Kevin. St Ronnie was criminal no 2 not no 1.
21 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 3:36 pm
sinz54 says to TeaBagged “teabag, (t)hat’s not what Frum meant by “going rogue”. But that’s OK, you’re here to stir up trouble.” I guess all our work to underscore the true intent of these democrat activist Trolls on this site is constructive when others see them for what they truly are.
TeaBagged, nonetheless, never at a loss for overstatement declares: “Reagan started a trend among Republican Presidents. His Criminal administration was followed by Nixon (Watergate) and Bush2 (Torture). The only non criminal among recent Republican Presidents seems to be Bush1, that’s probably because he was not found out.”
LOL, TeaBagged, put down that democrat activist kool aid! The only US president to be impeached by the House for criminal activity is your hero, Slick Willy. And it wasn’t for the sexual harassment he engaged in whilst guarding the Oval Office either… it was for perjury and obstruction of justice.
And, lest you pull out the ol’ canard that it was a political witchunt by Republicans, let’s keep in mind that 10 GOPers voted with the 45 Dem Senators to declare him not guilty of the former charges, 5 GOPers joined in acquitted him of the latter charge. And a number of GOPers joined some Democrats in the House voting against the charges to impeach. Not exactly a slam dunk on the “partisan witchunt” canard… by comparison, if the Democrats could get a handful of GOPers to join them in gutting health care, the Democrats and WH would be screaming bipartisanship from the rooftops of the Capitol.
The only modern president to impeached for criminal activities is Slick Willy, D-Arkansas. Reagan did nothing wrong but he willingly & famously fell on the sword to accept blame for his staff’s indiscretions and called for several independent investigations and worked closely with the Congressional committees to assist in their investigations of Iran-Contra. His presidential like conduct allowed him to ride tall in the saddle for the rest of his short life… unlike Jimminey Cricket or Slick Willy who get boo’ed and jeered whenever they show up anywhere other than a democrat goon shop or far Left political rally.
Slick Willy tried to lie and hide his criminality. The Clintons may have gotten away with hiding billing records in the WhiteWater Scandal but lying and hiding evidence in the impeachment trial wasn’t going to stop justice –even if Slick Willy couldn’t define “is” and “sexual relations”.
I’m thinking as soon as we finish-up the current so-called “Carter’s 2nd term” (ugh), the incoming Republican Administration in 2013 needs to begin investigating vote fraud by Obama and his Chicago thugs, campaign finance illegalities by Obama and his Chicago thugs, and all the likely crimes Obama will commit in an effort to stay in office during 2012. Obama, Chicago, Democrats and vote fraud just go hand-n-glove.
Democrat criminals? Just ask Slick Willy. Republican criminals? Not a single president in modern time.
You were saying, TeaBag the Troll?
22 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Mi-Gop,
Go back on your meds, provided free by the VA, you know that socialist government administered healthcare that you get.
23 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm
MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“Slick Willy tried to lie and hide his criminality. ”
……Clinton lied about sex something most men do at one time or another which is why he was more popular at the end of the impeachment nonsense that at the start of it…….as against this Reagan lied about selling arms to the Iranian mullahs who may even have sent a few of them to their buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan to kill our guys…….while Nixon was forced to resign (the only president in history to do so) for attempting to subvert the constitution…….mi-goper’s idea of equivalence…..plus the usual rag bag of insane accusations
24 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I know St Ron of Reagan was a bit of a basket case for most of his second term, but to say Iran Contra was all the fault of his staff and he had nothing to do with it stretches the bounds of credulity to breaking point and beyond.
25 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Kevin B:
“Teabag” is obviously young. You can tell that from his comments. He learned about American history from Chomsky and Zinn.
26 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm
“Slick Willy tried to lie and hide his criminality. ” said mi-GOPer.
Um. Last time I looked having a blow job was not a criminal offense.
If it is than 99% of the males in the USA are criminals. Apart from St Ron of Reagan that is, Nancy would never do that!
27 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:06 pm
“I know St Ron of Reagan was a bit of a basket case for most of his second term, but to say Iran Contra was all the fault of his staff and he had nothing to do with it stretches the bounds of credulity to breaking point and beyond.”
…….Now don’t over reach(I always try to stay grounded unlike the usual suspects) …….he certainly wasn’t a basket case but he was getting a bit forgetful towards the end as was obvious …..and yes if you’re not engaged I can entirely believe that Reagan didn’t know about Iran/Contra at the inception……Bush didn’t have the remotest clue about what Paulson was up during the last 9 months of his presidency….however at some point Poindexter and co fessed up to Reagan and he lied about it……..and it was a much more egregious lie than telling porkies about women…….and he got caught lying and had to fess up to it on TV in what was one of the most excruciating performances by a president I’ve ever seen……however, the public because they liked him and the consequences didn’t directly impinge on them let him off the hook rather as they did with Clinton although his porky was considerably serious in the scheme of things.
28 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:25 pm
teabag:
If you really wanted to know, and not just act like a troll, you would have done your own homework.
The answer is Richard Nixon, as can be seen by these charts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDebt.png
LBJ had run up an enormous debt over trying to carry out the Great Society, the Vietnam War, and the Apollo moon landing all at the same time.
29 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm
25 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm
““Teabag” is obviously young. You can tell that from his comments. ”
…….Age doesn’t have much to do with maturity here unless of course you consider mi-goper, sdspringy, independant, et al, models of intelligence and judiciousness
30 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:27 pm
teabag:
Your comment about Nancy does not belong here on New Majority.
And in fact, I don’t think you belong here either.
You belong on some other forums where personal slime is encouraged, or at least tolerated.
31 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:28 pm
.Now don’t over reach(I always try to stay grounded unlike the usual suspects) …….he certainly wasn’t a basket case but he was getting a bit forgetful towards the end as was obvious
I only go by what Norm taught me.
32 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Sinz54, said.
teabag:
Your comment about Nancy does not belong here on New Majority.
And in fact, I don’t think you belong here either.
You belong on some other forums where personal slime is encouraged, or at least tolerated.
what did I actually say about Nancy Sinz? I sid that she would never be caught giving St Ron a BJ. How is that offensive. I think it is protecting Nancy’s honor myself. My you are a contrarian prude.
33 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:33 pm
ottovbs:
I wasn’t referring to his maturity,
but to his lack of historical perspective.
34 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:34 pm
sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:25 pm
“LBJ had run up an enormous debt over trying to carry out the Great Society, the Vietnam War, and the Apollo moon landing all at the same time.”
…….I wonder if you when doing your homework actually looked at the charts…..LBJ’s “enormous” was nothing by comparison with Reagan and Bush…….it was actually flat in absolute terms and falling as a % of GDP during the 60’s and 70’s…….the culprits are St Ronnie and Bush…..time to do your homework again
35 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm
sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:33 pm
” I wasn’t referring to his maturity,
but to his lack of historical perspective.”
…….actually yours could do with a bit of work….see 34
36 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Sinz54 said.
<If you really wanted to know, and not just act like a troll, you would have done your own homework.
I of course knew the true facts already having posted the data on republican and Democrat budget deficits. I just wanted to see if any of you fiscal conservatives would acknowledge that Republicans are far worse at budgetary control than Democrats. In fact you are wrong again see the link below.
I fully anticipate that Obama will hand over in 2016 with a smaller deficit than he took on.
EVERY Democrat President going back to 1945 has reduced the deficit as a proportion of GDP
Nixon did not reduce the deficit as a proportion of GDP. It rose by a tenth of one percent.
Johnson did not raise the deficit as a proportion of GDP it fell by 8.3%
Source…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
37 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:47 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:32 pm
“what did I actually say about Nancy Sinz? I sid that she would never be caught giving St Ron a BJ. How is that offensive. I think it is protecting Nancy’s honor myself. My you are a contrarian prude.”
……..it was innapropriate old boy…….I actually met Nancy at the WH on one occasion…..no bs…….she was rather like a china doll so I can’t imagine her participating in any hanky panky although who knows when she was younger……in fact Ron’s Hollywood background is something the right always seem to forget when they are ranting about Hollywood elites……and what went on in Hollywood in the thirties, forties and fifties sex and drug wise was much worse than happens today
38 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 4:54 pm
……..it was innapropriate old boy…….
If I had said she was the BJ queen of Washington, that would be inappropriate. I said the opposite.
However if anyone was offended I apologize…………
39 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I think New Majority is going to flop,
if it doesn’t do a better job of elevating the level of discourse. Gradually, the trolls are chasing out serious posters like “anniemargaret.”
If I wanted to experience sexual innuendo, personal insults, and thread hijacking, I could find those on Usenet newsgroups or other unmoderated forums.
There has to be a happy medium between Usenet (where any garbage is allowed) versus blogs like Redstate.com (where no dissenting opinions, no matter how civilly expressed, are allowed; I got banned myself from there, and I didn’t say anything like “teabag” says here.)
40 sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm
ottovbs:
Powerline gave up.
Johnson and Hinderaker tried opening up their diaries to invite discussion from posters. In came the trolls and the loons, just like New Majority. J & H found it impossible to review and edit every single post from every single poster. So last month, Powerline closed their diaries to any further discussions, limiting all discussion to a separate forum.
That’s going to happen to New Majority unless there are some changes made.
41 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:08 pm
sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:00 pm
“I think New Majority is going to flop,
if it doesn’t do a better job of elevating the level of discourse. Gradually, the trolls are chasing out serious posters like “anniemargaret.”
……..Don’t be so pompous…..the “trolls” are not Teabag but nut cases like mi-goper who burn up miles of band width ranting on about god knows what
42 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Sinz54 said
“I think New Majority is going to flop,
if it doesn’t do a better job of elevating the level of discourse. Gradually, the trolls are chasing out serious posters like “anniemargaret.””
FYI“anniemargaret was run off by MI-GOPer and other RW fools not Democrats. Free speech is free speech. The Troll who brought sex into this was MI-GOPer not me.
St Ronny was the subject of the thread. I stuck to St Ronny posts. Others mad it into a bash Clinton fest.
43 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm
sinz54 // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm
“Johnson and Hinderaker”
……….Two Malkin award nominees as Andy Sullivan would call them if ever there were………as for Frum he’s not going to change…..he’s relatively low traffic at the moment but he needs to get some heavyweight writers like Larison or Bartlett instead of the kids who do their best but have little intellectual depth…..he also need to dump some of the shills and total freaks like Linnane whose probably nursing his Assault Rifle as we speak…….the best discussion I’ve seen here was during the summer on healthcare when some obvious industry shills invaded but they knew what they were talking about even if they were spinning and this had the consequence of making most of the participants raise their game!!
44 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:23 pm
42 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm
“FYI“anniemargaret was run off by MI-GOPer and other RW fools not Democrats. Free speech is free speech. The Troll who brought sex into this was MI-GOPer not me.”
……Has she departed…..what a pity……but I can imagine she find mi-goper tedious because he is tedious…….endless speeches about freedom and socialism being imposed on us and then he wants to ban anyone who doesn’t agree with him and it turns out he’s a recipient of socialized medicine from the VA……..I enjoy his entertainment value but I can imagine others don’t
45 Reason60 // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:29 pm
I still have great respect for Reagan, even though he broke my deficit hawk heart with his willingness to accept deficits.
But the near-deificationof Reagan is disconcerting. The modern conservative movement has become a cargo cult- they adopt the slogans and postures and spout glib Reaganisms, but don’t really grasp the premise of “limited government” or “fiscal conservatism”.
I like Sinz’ comment yeasterday about how they are like th eliberals in the 1970’s who can only sit around and talk about what great things FDR did 40 years previous.
Bruce Bartlett has a lot to say about how supply side economics may have worked back int he 1980’s but is out of date now and doesn’t work with the situation we are in.
Few conservatives in the movement are willing to accept realistic alternatives to “tax cuts”, or serious appraisals of forgeing policy aside from jingoistic slogans.
46 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Otto said
“he also need to dump some of the shills and total freaks like Linnane whose probably nursing his Assault Rifle as we speak…”
I agree. Having been a keen follower of this site from day one I have to say that it has not matured in the slightest. You have the CIA lady, who trots out the BS using anonymous sources. She reminds me of a “Bag Lady” trotting round with all her BS in a supermarket trolly. Then you have Linnane. He has only written one decent piece the whole time the site has been open.
Then you have the corporate shills pushing either healthcare or military spending to the benefit of the corporations. Lastly you have the young wanabees. They are unable to get a writing gig elsewhere so Frum lets them post on here. They post contradictory articles sometimes in the same day!
Originally the site did have value. It genuinely was pushing alternative ideas and ways that the right could come to some sense. Then it started to try and gain traffic by Palin bashing and Obama bashing. Hoping to attract the MI-Goper types. Well they came (Franco) et al and they left. Links on Drudge are not the mark of success.
If you went away from this site for 6 months and came back you would find the same people posting pretty much the same stuff. It has not evolved period.
47 Chekote // Nov 22, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Wiki says: “Owens is the first Democrat to represent the area that now makes up NY-23, since the 19th century.”
Look at the list of people who representated that district. Democrats are included. Finally, every ten years we have redistricting. So it is ridiculous to suggest that any one district was held by anyone. I doubt that anyone district has had the same bounderies for 100 years.
Look the Scozza affair was created by the local party officials. I am not a fan of Palin. But to blame her for this is nonsense. Pataki endorsed Hoffman. Pataki is no Palin.
48 Chekote // Nov 22, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Forgive my spelling.
49 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:05 pm
TeaBagged offers in retort to a clear explanation of Slick Willy’s criminal activity, versus the alleged made-up crimes from the far Left of Reagan, Bush 41 or Bush 43… “Um. Last time I looked having a blow job was not a criminal offense.”
Right, you go with that TeaBagged; typical juvenile stuff from you. But that wasn’t why it was a democrat president that is the only president to be criminally impeached/indicted for serious crimes –like perjry and obstruction of justice… let alone a lawyer and former state attorney general. Those were crimes that warranted impeaching the president; it’s unfortunate he wasn’t removed from office.
As for your claim “Um. Last time I looked having a blow job was not a criminal offense” –you’re half right, half-wit. It’s immoral for a married man to do such a thing. It’s immoral and disgraceful that a president did it with a WH intern in or near the Oval Office and it’s immoral that the victims of Slick Willy’s crimes were usually women in a subordinate position to the Slickster. It’s immoral that Clinton repeatedly lied to his Cabinet, his senior staff and his wife and daughter. His crime came when he lied in court and tried to obstruct a victim’s rightful claim against him –and he tried to avoid court with every trick a slick trial lawyer sleaze-bag could pull out of Slick Willy’s damp shorts. He’s called Slick Willey for good reason, TeaBagged. Just like you’re called half-wit, juvenile and a troll.
There a many cicumstances in which having oral sex with a person is a crime… you might want to amend another of your stupid statements on this matter. Additionally, it wasn’t Clinton’s sexual predatory instincts and lust that got him into trouble –it was his lying about it under oath as president and the obstruction to justice for the victim that it represented. I guess for a crass, base troll like you, a blow job under the bridge is all in a day’s work. You and your hero share something, TeaBagged…. sleaze and the sewers.
50 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Mi-GOPer.
Yawn
51 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:15 pm
AutomaticBSer at 23 writes, in defense of an immoral, impeached, socially illiterate sleaze bag democrat idol “Clinton lied about sex something most men do at one time or another .”
Ahhh, spoken with a clarion of experience, I’m betting automaticBSer. For the men you habit the world with, I imagine most of them have cheated on their wives, their mates, their partners. I’d imagine it would be perfectly acceptable to you to do –just like it would be for TeaBagged and the other degenerates on the far Left Troll Tribe.
But, like a man of questionable morals, you missed the point… again… sigh. Clinton wasn’t impeached for having sex in or near the Oval Office –as disgustingly improper as that may seem to most. He was impeached for perjury –lying under oath when you have a legal obligation to tell the truth and you’ve swonr to do so and the court and outcome of justice depends upon it. Second, he was impeached because his perjury and long-engaged effort to stop justice from being served for his victim, constituted an obstruction of justice. He was president; he knew better. He was an officer of the court; he knew better. He was the former state attorney general for Arkansas; he knew better.
That he was a democrat, he thought he could get away with it. Fancy that –another democrat president playing sexual predator in the WH? Shades of Roosevelt, Kennedy and God only knows who else in the democrat’s pantheon of president heroes.
52 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:17 pm
TeaBagged, the troll speakth. Enlightening the landscape.
Sorry pal, you were the one to claim that the GOP presidents were criminals. Clinton was the real deal; the others you’d like to be criminals is all in your tiny, partisan and trolling mind.
53 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm
TeaBagged screams: “If you went away from this site for 6 months and came back you would find the same people posting pretty much the same stuff. It has not evolved period.”
This site was infected with a non-stop spittle fest of far Left trolls dominating threads, highjacking discussions and lying with the kind of arrogance that makes Obama look like an angel of truth.
The site, despite what you’d like to think, is dedicated to rebuilding the GOP and the conservative movement. You’re not interested in either, TeaBagged –or whatever handle and name you’re using this week. You’re a democrat party activist troll, following the original orders of DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe, who asked thugs and trolls like you to harass and incite and irritate and disrupt every single GOP or conservative blog possible –and to spread your hate and deception to newspaper’s editorial pages, call in radio and anywhere else you can flame the oppostion and destroy decency.
You do it here with a sense of accomplishment. You do it here with creative manipulation of multiple characters. You do it here for sport. And it’s the highest and best utility you have for society –and that’s pathetic. It deserves our pity. It deserves your shame.
54 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Sorry pal,’ said MI-GOPer.
First, you are not and never will be a Pal of mine. I am very particular in my choice of pals.
Secondly you don’t have to be convicted to be a criminal. There are more criminals who have never been caught or tried than have.
Nixon, St Ron of Reagan and Bush2 were all involved in criminal activities during their administrations. The fact that they were either pardoned or not prosecuted for these crimes does not mean that they did not take place.
I know that you live in an alternative reality from the rest of us, and that reality has a liberal bias, but even you in your deluded state of mind cannot deny that these people were criminals.
Now back down to the Socialist VA for more of those pills that keep you under control.
55 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:30 pm
AutomaticBSer quotes TeaBagged’s claims: “The Troll who brought sex into this was MI-GOPer not me.”
Not true and no surprise you’re back to telling lies again –and quoting them as well. You began it with #23 automaticBSer, followed by TeaBagged at #26 and more coarseness from the land down under the troll bridge.
Facts don’t ever equal democrat party activist talking points –if they did, we’d discover a fact hiding in your daily litany of lies. We haven’t yet. Still searching, of course.
56 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:36 pm
TeaBagged gets it wrong again: “Nixon, St Ron of Reagan and Bush2 were all involved in criminal activities during their administrations.” Are these more of those phoney crimes that exist only in the minds of the far Left –like Iran-Contra or employing DOJ-sanctioned enhanced interrogation techniques on 2-3 known terrorists –information which helped us avert several terrorist acts and thousands of deaths?
Nixon, I’ll grant you was a criminal for the exact same reason that Slick Willy got impeached: he perjured himself and willing engaged in the obstruction of justice. He just had a better lawyer than Slick Willy.
But then, you started all this by alleging that the GOP presidents were a long line of criminals… including Bush 41 (did you forget Ford?) who, you claim, probably was a criminal but just didn’t get caught. LOL. And then you took it straight to the sewers… good going, pal. Troll #1 on this site for sure… well and all the name-variations you use here.
57 MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:40 pm
TeaBagged is having a tough day when he goes so far to incite rebuke from automaticBSer… gosh, it’s like the democrat caucus in the house or senate… all this fighting amongst yourselves.
TeaBagged >”what did I actually say about Nancy Sinz? I sid that she would never be caught giving St Ron a BJ. How is that offensive. I think it is protecting Nancy’s honor myself. My you are a contrarian prude.”
AutomaticBSer> “……..it was innapropriate old boy…….”
58 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:40 pm
MI-GOPer // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:15 pm
“Ahhh, spoken with a clarion of experience, I’m betting automaticBSer. For the men you habit the world with, I imagine most of them have cheated on their wives, their mates, their partners. I’d imagine it would be perfectly acceptable to you to do –just like it would be for TeaBagged and the other degenerates on the far Left Troll Tribe.”
“This site was infected with a non-stop spittle fest of far Left trolls dominating threads, highjacking discussions and lying with the kind of arrogance that makes Obama look like an angel of truth.”
…….The ex marine choir boy speaks…….you are seriously funny bi-groper
“AutomaticBSer quotes TeaBagged’s claims: “The Troll who brought sex into this was MI-GOPer not me.”
……and btw I didn’ say this…..hilarious
59 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:42 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:27 pm
” Now back down to the Socialist VA for more of those pills that keep you under control.”
…….don’t they use straightjackets anymore?…..electric shock therapy?
60 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Mi-GOPer said earlier in no 21
Quote.
“Democrat criminals? Just ask Slick Willy. Republican criminals? Not a single president in modern time”.
Then in no 56 he said Quote.
“Nixon, I’ll grant you was a criminal for the exact same reason that Slick Willy got impeached: ”
Now Mi-GOP you either have a weird idea of modern times or you do not remember what BS you write from post to post! which is it?
You will notice that I do not defend Clinton. In my opinion he was (is) a douche bag of the highest order. I am not a partisan like you and can see the bad in Democrats as well as Republicans.
61 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:55 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm
“Now Mi-GOP you either have a weird idea of modern times or you do not remember what BS you write from post to post! which is it?”
……bi-groper bless his heart can’t remember what he writes ten seconds before…..this is what what makes him so funny
” You will notice that I do not defend Clinton. In my opinion he was (is) a douche bag of the highest order.”
………He had a zipper problem……actually if you go back through history most successful rulers, generals, tycoons etc had a a zipper problem…I used to work for one and he was still at it at 78……high competence usually goes with a high libido……..it’s not dissimilar from Grant’s drinking problem……as Lincoln said find out what brand he drinks and I’ll send some to my other generals…….as far as I’m concerned presidents can be bonking every woman in Washington as long as they aren’t screwing up on the real job because that’s the bit that affects the rest of us!
62 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Can we just clear one thing up once and for all.
When you sign on for this forum there is no question session which asks whether you are a Conservative or a Liberal. A Democrat or a Republican. When the Blog started Frum made it plain That he wanted people from all areas of the political divide to come here. It was not meant to be an exclusive GOP echo chamber and for good reason.
The reason is that an echo chamber just reinforces the status quo. If this is really meant to be a blog where the rational part of the conservative movement can regain it’s former position then it needs some balance. I think that there is a balance.
The reason Liberals bother to post here is because we have an interest in how the GOP goes forward. We love our country as much as you do, and the thought of it falling into the hands of a Palin/Beck like regime does not sit well with us.
Mi-GOPer does not want Liberals to be able to post here. SDspringy the well known birther agrees. Apart from them and Sinz when he gets pwned no one else is for making this a pure ultra RW blog.
63 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:03 pm
“Mi-GOPer does not want Liberals to be able to post here. SDspringy the well known birther agrees. Apart from them and Sinz when he gets pwned no one else is for making this a pure ultra RW blog.”
……..bi-groper with his continual screams for freedom is unfortunately not too well acquainted with the first amendment……he prefers the Stalinist mode of free speech
64 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Otto,
It isn’t Clintons libido I have a problem with. It’s his triangulation and dubious money deals that I don’t like.
Although there was nothing to Whitewater, there is plenty of other stuff that smells higher than a 2 week old dead fish.
65 ottovbvs // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:29 pm
teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm
”It isn’t Clintons libido I have a problem with. It’s his triangulation and dubious money deals that I don’t like.”
……..the problem is that the entire political system in this country subsists on a system of legalized bribery……..it’s not pretty but it’s the ocean in which we swim……as for triangulation that’s a fancy name for stealing your opponents political clothes……..LBJ was not a pretty sight to behold, he was at least as libidinous as Clinton and much more financially dishonest, but after FDR and Truman he’s the president that left the biggest mark on this country in the last hundred years……..I draw a strict distinction between the personal morality of presidents and their competence as chief exec…..Carter in moral terms was St Francis of Assisi but his was not a successful presidency……even Bush god help us was in personal terms a fairly moral person by the time he got into the presidency but in terms of public policy he was deeply immoral and he was totally incompetent…….this personalization of president’s management skills is ill judged……..give me the competent president with a weakness for the bottle and skirt over the moralistic incompetent any day of the week
66 Independent // Nov 22, 2009 at 8:58 pm
it’s a shame that the village idiots and democrat activist trolls are allowed to pollute this site without sanction. civilized societies don’t let domesticated animals foul the streets; why should we allow mr teabag and ottobs and all their tribe do it here?
it’s a shame. they are nothing more than untamed animals fouling the streets.
67 fallon // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Reagan did “go rogue”.
Reagan ran in 1976 as a true conservative against the Republican INCUMBENT Gerald Ford, who was neither a conservative nor a formidable candidate; but Ford emerged as the Republican nominee for President and lost to Carter.
68 Dan Pet // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Hold on. Does the writer of this piece remember a little piece of a speech in which Reagan said..Mr. G, tear down this wall!! By all accounts, Reagan ignored lots of advisors and said that. I am pretty sure that that would count as going ROGUE. Oh..and you bloggers on this site….I love that you want a big tent….one big enough for everyone but Sarah Palin. It is really pathetic. Also, before you can build a conservatism that can win again, you need to build a website that garners more than 67 comments on a Palin story…most of which are probably made by people that linked to FrumForum from HotAir.
69 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Someone call a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance. Mr Independent (BS) says the Liberals are coming.
70 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Independent and MI-GOPers programmed rants about the site’s ” liberal trolls” reminds me of a quote:
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
– Adolf Hitler
71 Socrates // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:34 pm
For the last several weeks, I have been reading this blog and I like some of the posters here who have elevated the discussions to a higher level. Unfortunately, there are those who prefer personal attacks over substantial contributions. I wish people can be civil and keep the forum a place for constructive discussion.
The comparison between Reagan and Palin does have some merits: they are governors, non-lawyer, non-elitists, etc. I remembered Reagan being ridiculed by liberal elites as a lightweight airhead. In retrospect, he was a good president. We can argue whether he was a “great president” or not. (Obama thinks he was “transformative.”) Reagan demonstrate that one does not have to be a heavy intellectual to be president. However, one has to be able to understand complex issues. On this, Palin has not demonstrated her skills yet. And from what I gathered, her latest book is not a “policy” book.
What concerns me is how Palin and some of the entertainers (Rush, Beck, etc.) have become the face and voice of the right wing of the GOP. These people have their own agenda and despite the rhetorics, I don’t see them as being good for America — to say the least. They come across as disruptive and destructive, making this country more ungovernable. And as NY23 demonstrated, they can make life miserable for the moderate GOPs as well. It’s a lose-lose situation.
72 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:43 pm
John Cole, as conservative as they come until the loons took over said it best recently.
It is starting to become clear to me what the GOP strategy is- they are trying to turn the entire country into California- an ungovernable mess where the majority is incapable of governing because of an obstinate and insane minority party and ridiculous procedural hoops.
And when you realize that, it makes complete sense why no one in the Republican party stands up to the lies spewed by Sarah Palin, like, for example, this nonsense about mammograms and death panels. She is flat out lying, as she does most every time she opens her mouth, but no one in the GOP will call her on it because it is to their advantage to make the country ungovernable. They like it when there is so much bullshit and disinformation out there that the public is incapable of being informed. Sarah Palin is cheaper and far more effective than all the bullshit factories the Koch Foundation and others have been funding for decades.
73 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:54 pm
They used to fear Reagan to the point of making fun of the fact that he was nothing more then an actor and even comparing him to John Wilkes Booth, an actor too. Funny how you liberals have the same fear of Palin, otherwise liberals wouldn’t waste their breath or any time on her.
Socrates – as far as the entertainers becoming the face of the GOP – don’t you think that IS the FAULT of the GOP? The GOP has NO ONE! There is NOT ONE REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN standing up for the people and calling a spade a spade. The few that are tying to speak out get shunned by the GOP as well as the liberals. (enter Sarah, Tim Pewlenty) Thus, we turn to the entertainers who do not hesitate in speaking out and loud for us.
74 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 9:57 pm
hey Teabag : “And when you realize that, it makes complete sense why no one in the Republican party stands up to the lies spewed by Sarah Palin, like, for example, this nonsense about mammograms and death panels. She is flat out lying, as she does most every time she opens her mouth, but no one in the GOP will call her on it because it is to their advantage to make the country ungovernable. They like it when there is so much bullshit and disinformation out there that the public is incapable of being informed. Sarah Palin is cheaper and far more effective than all the bullshit factories the Koch Foundation and others have been funding for decades.”
——————-
So much Bullshit and disinformation out there that the public is incapable of being informed – is that like the LIES coming from the White House in the number of jobs they saved or created?
75 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Addie, you make a huge mistake in believing that anyone who opposes Palin is by definition a liberal. The simple fact is that there are conservatives and centrists who find her just as scary, objectionable and ill-prepared for high office.
76 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:06 pm
CentristNYer: “The simple fact is that there are conservatives and centrists who find her just as scary, objectionable and ill-prepared for high office.”
I hardly think she is as ill-prepared for high office as our current teleprompter in chief. Considering Sarah NEVER ran for president and has yet to say she will be, I think you are jumping the gun a little.
Come 2012 it’s going to be “Anyone BUT Obama” a donkey will be able to win the presidency.
77 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Addie,
Who is obviously new and a bit green said
“a donkey will be able to win the presidency.”
You do realize Addie that the Democratic party symbol is a donkey. And that the Republican symbol is an Elephant.
I guess that you might get it some day.
78 Socrates // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Addie:
What was that movie that has a blood-sucking flower that feeds on its grower? I think both parties need leaders who can take on the monster called “the base.” Palin may be a good politician but I don’t see her as a national leader, even though she can stir up the GOP base like no one else.
79 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:20 pm
What is amazing is the inability of FrumForum to find another political news to post about.
It really is the most amazing display of a school boy crush.
Also a correction to a previous post by Teabag, the Dem party symbol is not referred to as a donkey but an Ass. Small point really but lets try and be accurate.
80 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Small point really but lets try and be accurate. Said Sd Springy.
Small point from a small mind Birther boy.
81 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:29 pm
teabag – I was going to say monkey but figured you would call me a racist so I just switched a letter. That said, “Even a monkey can win the presidency in 2012″
Socrates – you’re right, she can stir up a base like no one else and the moderates in the GOP might want to learn something from her rather then try to defame her. She isn’t going away, she may or may not run for president in 2012, regardless, she has a lot more power of persuasion then the GOP has right now.
82 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:30 pm
OH Teabag, you really sure you are up to another round of verbal sparing with me.
You were down to one word posts and appeared alittle punch drunk from the last round.
Maybe you better wait till your Daddy Otto shows up.
83 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Addie: That’s nice that YOU think Palin’s ready to be commander in chief, but nearly three quarters of Americans do not — and for very good reason. In cas you haven’t noticed, for the last few years the country has been struggling with two wars and a global recession. This is not the time to turn to a hockey mom who couldn’t even hack being the freakin’ governor of Alaska.
84 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:35 pm
You seem to have a warped memory Birther boy. You are still a coward and a liar. You always will be a coward and a liar.
85 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm
On the Sarah issue, Frum states its the Sarah Sexuality that draws us likes moth to a flame.
Totally discounting her narrative.
Which is a selfmade political woman, something Hilary is not.
A self made woman, having completed college without any help, something Obama can’t say.
Also Sarah’s college transcripts are public record, nothing from the intellectual Obama.
Also elected to executive political positions with out the aide of any political machine, something Obama can’t say.
All the while raising 5 children, remaining true to the rights of the unborn, something the Catholic Pelosi can’t say.
I could go on and on.
86 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Oh, Teabag, such an articulate arguement. How could I ever best such intellect.
87 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm
^ Um, perhaps by spelling “argument” correctly and using proper punctuation.
88 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:42 pm
CentristNYyer – and you think a Harvard Grad Ivy League Elitist have been doing such a GREAT job the past 9 years getting us into 2 wars and a global recession? Spending BILLIONS and BILLIONS (Yes, even your messiah too)
Sorry lib, but I am tired of the Ivy League Elitist and Lawyers in Washington, they have been screwing up this country, most have never had to balance a checkbook, let alone a budget! Just so you know, Sarah did a much better job running a state as governor then Obama did in his 150 days in congress.
89 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Thats your best NYer, comment on spelling OWWW.
90 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:45 pm
I could go on and on.
Please don’t Birther boy. You have little of value to say. I guess I will give Palin the due that she went to FIVE colleges quitting on four because it was too hard. And finally getting a poor degree in Sports Journalism.
She quit on the oil oversight job. She left Wasilla in 20 million of debt. She filled her administration as Governor with all her old school hacks. She is corrupt as they come. She then QUIT as governor when it got tough.
She is a quitter.
91 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Centrist – “Um, perhaps by spelling “argument” correctly and using proper punctuation.”
I didn’t know know you where the grammar police? Good for you! That and a dollar might buy you a cup of coffee.
92 Socrates // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Here is an interesting article by howard fineman on obama and reagan:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/223785
enjoy!
93 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Please Socrates, I can’t bother to read anything written by the arm or the liberal party, Newsweek!
Newsweek lost all credibility as news worthy.
94 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Addie: What is it with you right wingers and the term “elitist”? Are you so fearful of anyone with an education and a brain that you’re willing to keep nominating George W. Bushes and Sarah Palins to try and prove that stupid is better? If you want the GOP to be a party of no-nothing mobs waving their teabags and forged Kenyan birth certificates and pitchforks, go ahead. But don’t expect to win national elections or be a party that anyone with more than a high school education takes seriously.
95 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Just Curious Centrist….as the grammar police, how did you like hearing Obama end a sentence with an adverb on national TV when he said the “police acted stupidly”?
96 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Well Frum may not agree that journalism is a poor degree Teabag.
Yet she finished, and you can find what her grades were. Any chance on finding out how Obama did? Nope.
You may not understand local government however ever motion to proceed in local government is voted on by the town council. Any problems associated with Wasilla falls equally on all officials Teabag.
And all her old school hacks probably have less tax and political problems than the ones Obama pulls out of the woodwork.
Alaska has no means to legally fight ethics complaints other than the governor paying the bill. She was in debt with no end in future filings. Now there are no more ethics complaints and she can pay her debts, which would mean she found a different way to come out on top.
97 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Centrist, my my are you misinformed. You wrote “Are you so fearful of anyone with an education and a brain that you’re willing to keep nominating George W. Bushes ”
NEWS FLASH – Bush IS Ivy League (YALE and HARVARD) Educated! Bush at least released his grades, Obama’s were so bad he can’t release them. We all know his ego is soooo large that had he done well, he’s be bragging about it!
98 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:04 pm
NYer:
you so fearful of anyone with an education and a brain that you’re willing to keep nominating George W. Bushes and Sarah Palins to try and prove that stupid is better?
Bush allowed his college transcripts to be released. When compared to Kerry or Gore he was found to have better grades than either of these intellectual Dems. What does that say about elitism? They may not be that smart. And how do you know how smart Obama is, anyone seen his transcripts?
99 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Before you correct me Mr Grammar Police. I had a typo, I meant “he’d be bragging about it” He meaning Obama and the ‘d meaning would.
100 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:07 pm
The state of Alaska pays legal fees for complaints against the Governor. She decided to hire a private attorney so she could keep things from discovery. That is the bill she has run up. She filed a complaint against HERSELF for goodness sake.
101 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:09 pm
teabag has the huffinton post talking points down to a science. They must be mighty proud of him!
102 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:10 pm
When is she going to release her medical records. She said she would do it before the election what did we get, nothing, zilch. What is she hiding?
103 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:12 pm
teabag – you need to ask that of your Messiah! He hasn’t released his medical records, or his college records. And HE’s the president – not Sarah! What IS OBAMA HIDING???????
104 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Addie don’t be sexist. I may very well be a woman.
105 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:14 pm
His doctor provided a letter stating that he had no medical conditions at all. That is a record. She has released nothing at all. Even though she promised to do so.
106 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Again not so complete with the accuracy Teabag. You reference the Troopergate issue.
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/731157.html
Van Flein initially was hired by the state under a $95,000 contract to represent Palin in a legislative investigation of Troopergate
But just after Van Flein was tapped, Palin landed on the national GOP ticket. Van Flein said the investigation “became part of the national campaign strategy against the governor.” He never billed the state
Palin said she didn’t think it would be fair to “sacrifice public monies to defend against something that was so politically charged.” Van Flein called the investigation a “political probe” and an “abuse of state money.”
Palin didn’t cooperate with that probe, but with Van Flein’s help got the matter before the state Personnel Board by making an ethics complaint against herself. That investigation concluded the day before the election and found she didn’t know what her family or staff members were doing regarding Wooten so she couldn’t be held responsible.
Not difficult to be accurate, not trying to be elitist either.
107 teabag // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:17 pm
As I said she filed a complaint against HERSELF.
108 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:18 pm
How could you Libs elect a SMOKER. How healthy can he be? Bet he smokes around his kids too.
And you are not a women, maybe low on testosterone, but definitely not a woman, TeaBagger.
109 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Please teabag obama released a medical summary and so did Palin! Same Same!
110 jcelephant // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:18 pm
What does it mean to be a Frum Conservative? I guess it means to be completely ignorant of history.
Ronald Reagan was an FDR Democrat who left the party in 1962 and ENDORSED and CAMPAIGNED for Barry Goldwater. HOW IS THAT NOT GOING ROGUE?
In addition, he challenged the GOP establishment THREE times for the Presidential nomination (an aborted attempt in 1968, his thisclose loss in 1976 and 1980). The fact that he ran against the Nixon/Ford foreign policy in 1976 and battled the likes of William F. Buckley on the Panama Canal made Reagan the ultimate rogue candidate.
EVERYONE said he was done, DONE, after 1976. They scoffed at the idea he could stay viable with a radio program that ran 5 times a week for 5 min at a time. They said he was over when he lost Iowa in 1980. Carter salivated at the chance to face Reagan. Go back and watch Kennedy’s speech at the 1980 Dem Convention and ask yourself if they would have ever said that about George HW.
You people are either dumb or you are invoking Reagan as a cover for your simplistic quasi-liberal political point of view.
YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE PARTY BY BEING A STEPFORD REPUBLICAN. Reagan knew that better than anyone. He was a conservative first and a Republican second. He was no loyalist.
Frum/Bernstein: either wise up or STOP USING REAGAN AS YOUR COVER. Especially when you can’t even do it right.
111 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:19 pm
And she won, again what is it that irritates you about this women.
112 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm
jcelephant – Well Said!
113 CentristNYer // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Addie, NEWS FLASH: Bush was a lightweight who coasted into the Ivy league on his family name and had mediocre grades.
He couldn’t talk about education without making humiliating errors (”Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”); he couldn’t keep straight the three branches of government (”It’s the executive branch’s job to interpret law”) and he coined ridiculous words like “misunderestimate.”
And this is the stuff that wasn’t of much consequence.
Then there was his bungling of the Iraq war intelligence, the meddling with the justice department, the sanctioning of torture, the rampant cronyism, the religious fanaticism, and the complete collapse of the economy in his final months. As a Republican, I found him an embarrassment and a fool.
Anyone with a brain (aka, an “elitist”) should be as well.
I’m not wasting any more bandwidth with this argument. Anyone who thinks that Palin is even remotely qualified to lead this country has their head in the sand.
114 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Centrist – “s a Republican, I found him an embarrassment and a fool.”
Oh come on…tell me, home much is MoveOn.org paying you to say that? Seriously, it had to kill you to type that in.
NEWSFLASH: Obama is a lightweight who coasted into the Ivy League on Affirmative Action! At least Bush would speak without a teleprompter, Obama can’t do that. (Well, not without saying 57 states, or ending a sentence with an adverb, or saying “ta” and “gunna” way too often and that is between all the Ummmms and Ahhhs and after claiming the US invented the automobile in the state of the union address (how dumb is that?I’m a girl and even I knew that.)
115 sdspringy // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Some details are always missing, Bush did not use a teleprompter at every personal appearance.
And the Senate Select Intelligence Committee in 2008 reported that all available intelligence the Bush administration had stated Iraq had WMDs. The rest of you complaints are as though I’m arguing with a jilted bride. Religious fanaticism, what is that.
Cronyism, Obama has a Czar for every weekend, get a grip.
116 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Centrist is NOT a republican. He can say it to he’s blue in the face but the only one he’ll be convincing is himself. He’s just another MoveOn or Huffington Post paid troll!
117 Addie // Nov 22, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Centrist – “Anyone with a brain (aka, an “elitist”) should be as well. ”
Apparently Centrist does not know what the definition of an elitist is. I’ll educate him:
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
No where does it says “Anyone with a brain”
Centerist: “I’m not wasting any more bandwidth with this argument. Anyone who thinks that Palin is even remotely qualified to lead this country has their head in the sand.”
Do you promise? Please promise!!! Liberals are just such good liars I’m worried you might just use a little more bandwidth.
118 Socrates // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:10 am
This thread has gone rogue! I am done with it.
119 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:20 am
Addie:
Where the f–k do you get off declaring who’s a Republican and who’s a “troll”? I have news for you: I’ve been an active, voting member of the GOP for almost 30 years. And guess what? I think Sarah Palin is a righteous idiot and a fantasist. And most of the Republicans I know agree. And they also believe that George W. Bush is a grade A imbecile who wrecked the country, that Glenn Beck is a moronic drama queen, that the birthers are half-wits and that this party has become an outpost for angry, paranoid mobs.
We won’t be driven from the party of our parents and grandparents by the likes of you and your ilk. You people live in an echo chamber. You read your World Net Daily and listen to El Rushbo and delude yourselves into thinking that you’re somehow up on the “news.” You wall yourself from any opposing opinion and savage any fact that doesn’t fit into your world view as a “Democrat talking point.”
If not accepting the spin that Sarah Palin is a victim of libruhl media bias makes me an elitist, I’ll wear that label proudly. But don’t you DARE to suggest that I’m not a Republican because I won’t swallow the same s–t that you do.
And with that, I’m done.
120 sdspringy // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:29 am
Ow Yea and you are a big stupid butt from New York, and a RINO
121 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:32 am
Whatever liberal troll!
I knew you would be back! Sorry dude, but I am from a life long republican family and 99% of my friends are republicans or democrats that have seen the light and your arguments are straight from the liberal play book! You want to call yourself a RINO go ahead but you sir, are no F’N republican. Just the fact that you got so defensive tells me. If you called me a liberal, I’d laugh it off. I know who I am. Added to the fact that you always seems to need to make that point that “As a republican…blah blah blah…” Okay buddy, you keep trying to convince us you are a republican and maybe MoveOn will send you a fatter check next month.
122 vegasguy // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:36 am
Given that Reagan never had to deal with a Republican Party that was more interested in getting votes than being conservative, he had no reason to go rogue. John McCain is not my idea of a Republican, never was, never will be. Bush II was no conservative either.
Have sampled this blog twice. Have not agreed with Frum either time. That coupled with the fact that teabag is a regular leads me to believe there is nothing conservative to be found on this site. I get enough teabagging from the state run media that I don’t need anymore from sites like this. Goodbye
123 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:36 am
Oh and Centrist – another reason too – you make it all about Palin and it’s not all about Palin. Again – more proof positive you are a liberal! If you were a republican and just didn’t like Palin, you wouldn’t then argue every single liberal talking point that has nothing to do with Palin.
So run along…..maybe some other site might just fall for your “I’m a republican” crap. Maybe some of those “elitist” forums (you know then people WITH a brain by your definition. lol) will believe you.
124 Fed51 // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:16 am
“Um. Last time I looked having a blow job was not a criminal offense.”
No, teabag, it’s not. But suborning perjury is. Which is what BJ Clinton was charged with. You knew that, right?
And Frum, as for Reagan serving out his terms as governor and Palin not….ummmmm… was Reagan subject to weekly frivolous law suits that threatened to take the majority of his time defending, wasting his personal funds, and more important, wasting California tax payer funds? I didn’t think so.
125 StuyTownGuy // Nov 23, 2009 at 7:02 am
Comparing a Catholic turned Presbyterian to a fundamentalist Christian is akin to comparing a muslim and a jew. Reagan represented a majority opinion, politically, spiritually, intellectually. Palin represents a shrinking minority of zealots with lower education levels and an immature faith.
Frum and those who think like him are correct. Palin is a huge stain on the GOP and will continue to take the party down. The reality is, like Limbaugh and Hannity, she’ll continue to have high profile but poor electoral results. Limbaugh’s continual backing of losers with his hysteria and lies is the perfect platform for Palin. Add Beck to that and the GOP will continue to be in the minority.
126 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 8:46 am
Wow –and not the bow-wow-kow-tow kind that BeggingObama makes to world leaders– just a simple expression of surprise.
Here we are and it turns out that more and more commenters are calling out AutomaticBSer, TeaBagged, CentristNYer and others for being a disruptive, disingenuious group of democrat activist trolls.
Let’s remember, it all started in this thread with our Troll Tribe going off-point and saying that there’s a long line of “criminal republican presidents” despite the fact –not talking point– the only impeached criminal president in this century is Slick Willy (D). Yeah, gotta hate those facts when we call out the Troll Tribe for their lies.
Then, not satisified, the Troll Tribe tried to reduce Clinton’s criminal activity to just sex and, when that didn’t work, the Troll Tribe tried to smear Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan with crassly, base and immature slams, as well as Geo Bush 41 –incredibly with the canard that “he did crimes we just don’t know about”.
Troll Tribe makes the case that they’ve become a distraction here –as best. An intentional disruption at worst. Incite, inflame, irritate, annoy without constructive purpose.
Thanks to all the sincere commenters at FrumForum for all the help in calling out and labeling these far Left democrat activists for what they are! A few short days ago, the Troll Tribe was working hard to stop our opposition to their untoward conduct… now, it looks like, the effort has turned and they’ve become their own worst enemy… sweet irony for a group that sought to dominate this forum, highjack thread after thread with Bush Bashing and takes great delight is ticking-off people working within the framework David Frum established.
127 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:00 am
StuyTownGuy, newest recruit in the Troll Tribe, contends: “Palin is a huge stain on the GOP and will continue to take the party down.”
Gee, that’s a “stain” that the GOP should bottle and spread liberally among the Party, StuyTownGuy… given that she’s now raised her favorables to 51-54% depending on the poll. Of course, the democrat activist trial lawyers ferreting through garbage piles in Wasilla are now gone… I’m guessing that approval or favorable ratings will climb modestly.
I think NancyP, HarryGreed and ObamaMessiah could use a little of that “Palin stain” given that their favorables & approval ratings remain in the basement… with Congressional Democrats getting unfavorable ratings of mid 60’s% and nearly 58+% of Americans saying that whatever direction the Democrats are taking the country is the wrong direction.
In a long litany of issues, American voters remain focused on deficit reduction as the #1 issue for Washington… and nearly 2/3rds of American voters don’t think Obama can do the job. Ouch. Of course, that’s just evidence the Democrats need more of that “Palin stain” common sense Sarah has in thanksgiving abundance.
Maybe the Democrats need a couple cases of that “Palin stain” that StuyTownGuy thinks is killing the GOP?
128 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:04 am
Fed51 writes: “No, teabag, it’s not. But suborning perjury is (and so is obstruction of justice). Which is what BJ Clinton was charged with. You knew that, right?”
Of course he knew it Fed51… but then TeaBagged thinks all men are equally moral reprobates and sexual predators that Slick Willy proved to be… and still proves to this day with his latest sleaze activities. TeaBagged uses the oldest excuse in the book, invented by the oldest profession on the books… all men do it, so it’s ok.
That tells us more about TeaBagged morals than anything else.
129 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:07 am
CentristNYer fights to remain relevant while his lies are exposed again as self-serving, very transparent falsehoods.
How long to the claim “I voted for John McCain….” can CentristNYer be? Because his other views show him to be a far Left democrat activist… and a Troll Tribe member.
130 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 9:11 am
vegasguy at #122 writes: “Have sampled this blog twice. Have not agreed with Frum either time. That coupled with the fact that teabag is a regular leads me to believe there is nothing conservative to be found on this site. I get enough teabagging from the state run media that I don’t need anymore from sites like this. Goodbye.”
vegaguy is correct. TeaBagged needs to be blocked at the IP address level. He doesn’t share the site’s interests, he doesn’t support David Frum’s goals for the site and he’s here only to drive away serious discussion.
When TeaBagged does that, he and AutomaticBSer and CentristNYer and Mr Face and the dozens of other trolls win. For any conservative to capitulate to the far Left democrat activism that brought us MoveOn and ACORN is wrong-headed. And it cedes the public square to the defecators.
131 Kevin B // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:01 am
Ahh! So Reagan would have also resigned under the same circumstances. I didn’t know that about him.
132 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:01 am
mi-goper 126-130:
……..boy you sure need a lot of band width to tell us how much you hate the first amendment……trying to create a Redstate Stalinist colony are we?…….somehow I don’t think you’re going to succeed but as ever your diatribes have great entertainment value
133 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:16 am
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:20 am
“We won’t be driven from the party of our parents and grandparents by the likes of you and your ilk.”
…….Too true…..my family on my father’s side have staunch Republicans since the late 19th Century……we even have a pic of my great grandpa with McKinley…..myself and my siblings are the first generation to jump ship at various intervals over the last 10-15 years…….pa would turn in his grave although probably not since he had even less tolerance for stupidity then myself…….it’s the antic of buffoons like addie, springy, bi-groper that is causing the GOP to collapse in the northeast, mid Atlantic and west…….at the national level they are going to turn the GOP into a fringe southern and rural party for a long time……which given their current total unfitness to govern is a good thing
134 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:29 am
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:16 am
“it’s the antic of buffoons like addie, springy, bi-groper that is causing the GOP to collapse in the northeast, mid Atlantic and west…….at the national level they are going to turn the GOP into a fringe southern and rural party for a long time……which given their current total unfitness to govern is a good thing.”
You couldn’t be more right. This is not a party that grown-ups take seriously anymore — nor should they while it’s dominated by the Palin/Beck/Limbaugh wing. Those of us who’ve chosen to remain probably stay more on principle than anything else. It’s important to me to have a healthy two party system where good ideas can flow in from both sides of the aisle. Unfortunately, that really isn’t happening right now, as the GOP has largely become a cesspool of birtherism, teabagging and proud ignorance. [See above.]
135 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:43 am
Our two Village Idiots, AutomaticBSer and CentristNYer claim: “You couldn’t be more right. This is not a party that grown-ups take seriously anymore — nor should they while it’s dominated by the Palin/Beck/Limbaugh wing. Those of us who’ve chosen to remain…” Those of us who haven chosen to remain??? WTF
CentristNyer thinks he’s a Republican?? And AutomaticBSer has republican credentials??? How could far Left Democrat activists and TrollTribers claim that little lie?
Guys, I’m thinking you might want to read some of the other threads… it seems that lots of folks are calling you both –and TeaBagged and all the TrollTribe– out into the public square as irritants, activists and disrupters.
I think you’ve been reading Saul Alinsky’s book a little too late into the night and it shows. “When confronted with the superior argument, community activists must use parody or ridicule to try to destroy their opponent’s better thinking”. You nailed the text book definition with AutomaticBSer and CentristNYer. There is no Palin/Beck/Limbaugh wing of the GOP… two of three are registered Independents… not Republicans. They might think of themselves as leading the conservative movement… but that’s not the GOP.
I guess you just confirm again what everyone here now knows what your pathetic, tired game. And still you guys post? For both of you and the TrollTribe, that’s just your lameness informing your actions.
136 teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:46 am
MI-GOPer.
I would fight with my dying breath for you to remain here and have the freedom to spew your idiotic rhetoric. You see I actually do believe in the first amendment. I don’t pay it lip service like you. The freedom of speech in this county is an inalienable right. Why do you hate the constitution?
So go ahead keep making a fool of yourself. It’s free entertainment for me.
137 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 am
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:29 am
…….Snapshot…….I knew from overhearing conversations that they were in dire trouble in about 2004……my crowd are basically rock solid Republican upper middle class business/professional people who tend to congregate in a yacht club I’m in…….sometime late in Bush’s first term these folks were getting very nervous and by the middle of 2006 the Republicans had lost most of them and as far as I can tell still has…..they were wetting their pants last fall (as most intelligent members of the investing class were) and when the Republicans voted against TARP that was the last nail…….Palin is considered one up from a contestant on one of these reality shows like stupid losers or whatever they are called…….. basically most of them respect the president more than any president since Bush senior and feel the adults are back in charge
138 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:55 am
teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:46 am
MI-GOPer.
“So go ahead keep making a fool of yourself. It’s free entertainment for me.”
…….Is verbal diarrhoia one of the side effects of those VA trank meds do think ?
139 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:56 am
AutomaticBSer pipsqueaks out: “boy you sure need a lot of band width to tell us how much you hate the first amendment”.
But spinfest boi, I don’t hate any part of the Constitution.
I’ve lectured hordes of young law students on the very value of the First Admendment.
I’ve shared with them how it’s survived even as Democrats using it to protect pedophiles and porn producers.
I’ve shared with them how it’s been subverted to establish that society should be free from religion, not as the framers intended religion to be free from govt intrusion.
I’ve shared with them how it’s been malformed into an excuse allow democrats in the press to protect criminals, democrats in the rioting streets to burn our sacred flag of honor and the worst in society the right to shout the loudest against those innocent of any fault.
I love the Constitution, BS boi.
I also love the Founding Fathers’ other sacred documents and I share their concern to keep our Nation as a faith-centered, morally just and upright society.
I think that’s what separates us –your ilk and I– the farthest.
You wish to debase any institutional or constitutional restriction on your right to full expression of the inner seediness that is AutomaticBSer –even if it means violating the ballot box or suborning the vote, so be it. If it means disrupting civil discourse for the sake of stopping your political opponents from organizing, so be it. You and the TrollTribe try to do that exact thing it here, daily. And your support of groups like ACORN and the Democrat Party prove you hate our constitutional institutions far more than any parody you can create under your tin foil hat with a gallon of Kool Aid consumed.
It’s sad and pathetic, BS boi. And you’ve been p’wned again, now.
140 teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:02 am
Good grief, are you actually in a teaching position Mad-GOPer? Heaven help those poor kids if they have to come under your malign influence.
141 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:06 am
TeaBagged gets haughty and a little naughty with : “I would fight with my dying breath for you to remain here and have the freedom to spew your idiotic rhetoric. You see I actually do believe in the first amendment. I don’t pay it lip service like you. The freedom of speech in this county is an inalienable right.”
Let me blunt: Bullshit, Teabgaged. Pure piled on bullshit from you.
TeaBagged, I doubt the sincerity of your claim to defend the right of others to speak.
If you really believed that, you wouldn’t engage in the trollish behavior of a democrat activist here trying hard to disrupt the peace-able assembly of conservatives and republicans who follow David Frum’s goal for this blog.
Because you’re here and acting like the inveterate troll –including making up all the fake names and characters and using them to reinforce your spewfests when no one other than the discredited, disingenious AutomaticBSer can sleaze up to that task– you aren’t respectful of this public forum or the discussion.
If you were, you wouldn’t engage in such violently oppositional dialogue and spewfests intended to distract, detract, irritate, annoy and incite or inflame this public forum.
That you’d use the 1st A to defend your right to do so isn’t a surprise… I’ve seen it subverted by lots of democrats for lots of reasons far more base and crass than your latest attempt here.
But by doing so and trying to claim some higher authority that you’re willing to fight for my right to free speech here is absolutely, utterly bullshit. If you cared about the public discourse here and rights to free speech, you wouldn’t disrupt the discussion, highjack the threads and treat those sincere about the blog’s goal with such contempt.
TeaBagged, you’re full of bullshit. And a fake. And transparent too boot.
142 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:09 am
You Liberal trolls are too funny! Who do you actually think you are kidding? Centris, Otto, Stuy – you are probably all the same person. You keep trying to convince yourself you are republicans, the rest of us know your are a typical lying liberal.
Otto – “I knew from overhearing conversations that they were in dire trouble in about 2004……my crowd are basically rock solid Republican upper middle class business/professional people who tend to congregate in a yacht club I’m in…….sometime late in Bush’s first term these folks were getting very nervous and by the middle of 2006 the Republicans had lost most of them and as far as I can tell still has…..they were wetting their pants last fall”
Let’s analyze – first you claim to be in the crowd of “rick solid Republicans” (from the upper middle class blah blah blah….isn’t it great to sit behind a computer screen and live vicariously as your alter ego? ) I digress….. anyway, then you refer to these “rock solid Republican’s” as “these folks” and “they were”
My point, if you truly were a republican’s you would be using “we” and “us” You are NOT a republican, you are a liberal troll just like your buddies and certainly not a “yacht club” member unless by your definition, the club’s paid staff is a member in your mind.
143 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:10 am
And not too put too fine a point on it all, TeaBagged and AutomaticBSer… there are now 7 other reasonable, responsible people on this thread calling you out for what you are: trolls.
It’s no longer 1-2 here finally standing up and calling you out for what you are… it’s the community. It’s too bad you’re just stubborn, fragile, uptight old men who can’t see a world without their spewfesting democrat activism in the foreground.
Like others have said: pathetic and sad your lot. Pathetic and sad.
144 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:12 am
Addie writes: “You Liberal trolls are too funny! Who do you actually think you are kidding? Centris, Otto, Stuy – you are probably all the same person. You keep trying to convince yourself you are republicans, the rest of us know your are a typical lying liberal.”
B-I-N-G-O; give that person the daily prize for truth-talking.
145 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:15 am
Centris – Dude – you just can’t stay away can you? Thank you, I just love wiping the floor with liberals and making fools of them. It is just too easy! Read the post, you can’t help but laugh at your idiotic attempt to “claim” you are a republican. LMAO!! Keep it up fool!
146 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:17 am
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:09 am
“and certainly not a “yacht club” member”
…….ok I’m not if you say so……and after all you’d know better than myself wouldn’t you….hilarious
147 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:20 am
MI – totally agree except I’m not so sure they are all old men. I think they are the young and stupid indoctrinated ones who have been brainwashed into thinking Obama is the One. They haven’t learned to think for themselves yet. They pull the daily talking points from Huffpost or Moveon.org and faithfully earn their paychecks from the same. They don’t fool anyone except themselves.
148 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:21 am
Otto, sounds like we’re channeling the same people.
I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Junior, but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the first few years — and even defended him to MI-GOPer’s liberal counterparts (meaning bile-spewing demagogues). But after the Iraq intelligence fell apart and the waterboarding came to light, it became impossible to swallow the crapola that was coming out of the White House.
Unfortunately, the intellectual slide within the party has only worsened in the last year (as the ravings from above can attest). But I’m glad that Frum is leading the way in trying to rally the grown-ups to take back the party from the knuckle-draggers.
149 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:22 am
Otto – ““and certainly not a “yacht club” member”
…….ok I’m not if you say so……and after all you’d know better than myself wouldn’t you….hilarious”
Like I said, sitting behind a computer screen…..isn’t it great living vicariously through your alter ego.
150 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:22 am
MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 10:56 am
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:09 am
…….Is verbal diarrhoia one of the side effects of those VA trank meds do think ?
……..Definitely!…..and it looks like Addie in on the same stuff
151 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:26 am
Otto – “Is verbal diarrhoia one of the side effects of those VA trank meds do think ?”
Now now Otto – you must not project your own short comings on others. I understand that is a trait of the liberals but considering you are trying to pass yourself off as a republican you must learn our way. Just because you have some head issues you must not project them onto others to make yourself feel better.
152 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:27 am
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:22 am
“Like I said, sitting behind a computer screen…..isn’t it great living vicariously through your alter ego.”
…….you must be right……as your contributions prove you’re clearly a person of considerable intelligence and judiciousness…….so being able to read minds over the internet and leap across high buildings obviously presents no problems…..do you read tea leaves and do tattoos as well?
153 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:32 am
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:26 am
” but considering you are trying to pass yourself off as a republican ”
…….I’m not a Republican…..I jumped ship when the insane like yourself started taking over…..that’s the point…….obviously although your talents include mind reading they don’t exend to English comprehension
154 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:36 am
“…….you must be right……as your contributions prove you’re clearly a person of considerable intelligence and judiciousness…….so being able to read minds over the internet and leap across high buildings obviously presents no problems…..do you read tea leaves and do tattoos as well?”
Did I strike a nerve with you? See, people who brag about being in a yacht club, especially when trying to convince yourself you are a republican tells me you are desperate! Or over compensating…..which are you? Do you drive around in a corvette too? You can call me all the names you want, I know who I am and I could care less what you think, you are meaningless.
The fact that you have say you belong to a yacht club (when we both know it’s not true) in order to make your point in the previous post, now that is just plain funny!
155 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:38 am
Otto:
One of the most telling things about this thread is how these rage-aholics cannot conceive of the idea that there are Republicans who actually don’t drink the Kool-Aid®. They live in a fact-free bubble and surround themselves with idiot dittoheads who live in a world where Palin is smart and truthful, Bush was a successful president and Obama is a socialist born in Kenya. You can tell how deeply threatened they are by the idea that some of us don’t drink from their tainted well (gone rogue, perhaps?), which is why they so ferociously deny our existence.
My grandparents would spin in their graves if they had to listen to one minute of Addie’s BS.
156 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:38 am
Otto – “…….I’m not a Republican…..I jumped ship when the insane like yourself started taking over…..that’s the point…….obviously although your talents include mind reading they don’t exend to English comprehension”
You never were a Republican. You are a liberal, always have been.
157 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:40 am
“My grandparents would spin in their graves if they had to listen to one minute of Addie’s BS.”
Oh how sweet injecting your dead grandparents into this thread. They would be so proud of you. Go ahead, give yourself a pat on the back and an “At a boy”
158 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:41 am
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:21 am
“Otto, sounds like we’re channeling the same people.”
……I love em they are so utterly brainless……I’m afraid I jumped ship during the Clinton impeachment nonsense……it was obvious that insanity was abroad in the land…..as it happens I was overseas in 2000 but I wouldn’t have voted for Junior although I voted for his pa twice…..it was obvious junior was playing out of his league and was essentially a front man……he’s actually not a bad guy on the personal level but he’s an object lesson for any party on the perils of putting an incompetent at your head in this day and age……it’s incredibly dangerous for the country but even if you’re more interested in the party than the country as is the case with all these loons, it’s ultimately very dangerous for your party too.
159 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:45 am
“.it was obvious junior was playing out of his league and was essentially a front man”
And Obambi is so in his league? LMAO! Obambi is an idiot! His ONLY skill is the ability to read from a teleprompter. At least when Palin’s teleprompter went down in her biggest speech of her life, she was able to pull it off with out a hitch. Had that happen to Obambi, he would still be standing there saying “ummmmmm, ahhhh, ummmmm, ahhh, someone please tell me what to say”
160 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:54 am
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:38 am
“My grandparents would spin in their graves if they had to listen to one minute of Addie’s BS.”
……..my father might but as I said he had an even lower tolerance for stupidity than me so maybe not…..my family on my fathers side have been Republicans since Hector was a pup……we have a picture of my great grandpa in the family albums proudly standing with McKinley, my grandfather used to boast he’d voted for Alf Landon, and my father alway voted that way as did I until the late 90’s….these dopes just don’t get it…….the 2008 election was the first one where a majority of grads and those earning 150k plus didn’t go Republican…….my little anecdote was intended to illuminate what’s happening but of course fruiters like addie are incapable of engaging in sensible discourse…..paradoxically given this site I hold people like Frum largely responsible for this state of affairs…….they summoned up the demons like addie, goper and co when they were useful cannon fodder and now as often happens the demons have taken over.
161 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:59 am
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:54 am
“…but of course fruiters like addie are incapable of engaging in sensible discourse…..paradoxically given this site I hold people like Frum largely responsible for this state of affairs…”
So what changes would you suggest for the site? Or are you just observing that it’s too late and the animals are overrunning the zoo?
162 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:13 pm
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 11:59 am
“So what changes would you suggest for the site? Or are you just observing that it’s too late and the animals are overrunning the zoo?”
……You’re really asking two different questions……..it’s way too late on the political front…….a few weeks back Frum used the metaphor fever to describe the GOP’s current condition and that’s as good a one as I’ve heard……it’s a process that has to run its course and nothing can stop it, certainly not Frum’s blog particularly since he often betrays signs of recidivism……on the other question of whether can he build a sensible voice of moderate conservative comment?……sure providing his backers money holds out and he’s willing to spend some money on attracting some good conservative writers like Larison instead of the mixture of kids, freaks and shills who provide most of the diaries……when he’s on form Frum’s are way ahead of anyone elses so he need to get some peer support…..at the end of the day people are only going to attracted if the quality of the diaries is good and the comment that follows ……since I’m very big on the first I don’t think they should be banning people like addie, goper etc who basically condemn themselves out of their own mouths but perhaps a gypsy’s warning would help……but it’s the work of years for Frum
163 steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Speaking for myself, I read this site because I enjoy Frum’s articles and find the commentary entertaining (and occasionally depressing). Like Otto, I enjoy Frum’s pieces the most. But really reading the comments illustrates that it will be a long struggle for the Republican Party at this point, and a bitter divorce for some of the factions who have been uncomfortably wed together over the past several decades. In a morbid way, it is kind of fun to watch the GOP eat itself.
164 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:46 pm
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:13 pm
“it’s way too late on the political front”
I hope you’re wrong but fear you’re right. This is the debate I’ve had with myself for the last 20 years, since the alarming rise of the Christianists within the party and (not coincidentally) the general decline of thoughtfulness and intellect among its leaders (resulting in the ascendancy of Caribou Barbie). I still hope that the fever you describe breaks, but I have to admit that just reading many of the comments on this site doesn’t give me encouragement. These moonbats are so walled off from reality that they can’t simply disagree with us, they have to try and delegitimize our right to post here by shouting “troll!”, as if that somehow gives their ravings a patina of truth.
As for Frum, I agree that he sometimes takes a swig of the Kool-Aid® and that can be alarming, but I think his heart is basically in the right place. I don’t agree with everything he posts by any means, but I give him high marks for at least trying to provide tactical air support to those who want to have a civil dialogue.
165 Carney // Nov 23, 2009 at 12:53 pm
” [Reagan] poured through books and policy papers [...]”
If you’re going to criticize Sarah Palin for not being well-read enough, it would behoove you to carefully edit your article to avoid embarrassing errors such as confusing “pour” and “pore”.
166 teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Take a look at this video. It’s interviews with people outside a Palin book signing. On show is all the ignorance of a MI-GOPer, the sutupidity of Birther SDspringy and the total lack of coherent thought process from Addict.
I laughed long and hard then I thought, what if these idiots ever held the levers of power. It would make G Bush look like a genius.
167 teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Link is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk&feature=player_embedded
168 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:38 pm
teabag // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Link is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk&feature=player_embedded
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
169 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:44 pm
BTW, do you think that guy in the Steeler’s jacket is MI-GOPer?
170 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 1:46 pm
teabagger – there are plenty of video’s out there of the idiot democrats trust me! Most are welfare rats scamming the system with their hands out saying “gimme my mortgage, gimme my welfare, gimme my food stamps, gimme my health care” and you guys are one in the same!
171 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Always certain to never listen, our Troll Tribe of CentristNYer, AutomaticBSer, TeaBagged and now Steelyblades joins the group that is almost always certain to never listen. Hey trolls, where is BlankHead? Mr Face? Are you guys forgetting you can manufacture a few more names, a few more characters and a few more Village Idiots to back up your losing arguments?
Like steelyblades recent shameful claim: “In a morbid way, it is kind of fun to watch the GOP eat itself.”
Wait, is that like the Democrats who can’t agree on Health Care and publically funded abortions eating itself alive?
Wait, is that like the Democrats who can’t agree on dithering endlessly in Afghanistan or just doing the ol’ Democrat 2 step and “Cut & Run” and eating themselves endless alive?
Wait, is that like the Democrats who have to beg and armtwist to get bills passed in the chambers even though they have the majorities there?
Wait, is that like the Democrats who are getting needled by their MSM allies for making yet another mistake in doing a show-trial of the terrorists in NYC ’cause the Obama Messiah is worried he’s getting perceived in public as weak on terror, lacking on natl security and failing to win the wars that Bush was winning?
Wait, is that the Democrats who literally have chewed up Timmie-the-TaxCheat in order to avoid being labeled as the cause of the recession –and are now investigating the Obama about all his czars and ACORN about its graft and corruption and vote fraud? For Democrats??
I guess the Democrats heard that 63% of Americans think Obama is either responsible for the recession or has done nothing helpful and they have to be seen tarring someone for something sometime. I don’t think it’s a case of Democrats eating each other alive more than it’s a case of the chicken running around the barnyard with its head cut off.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/20/poll.recession/index.html
I guess Democrats will be feasting on each other –Congress vs White House vs MSM— as the 2010 elections near… it’s like CNN’s Keating Holland says: “At that rate, only a handful of voters will blame the economy on the Republicans by the time next year’s midterm elections roll around….”
Yep, those Republicans are just a’killin each other, right? But wait, they’re standing tall and saying No to fake health care reform… they’re standing tall and saying NO to further tax hikes… they’re standing tall and saying No to further deficits… they’re standing tall and saying NO to federally funded abortions for all those Democrat constituents who can’t seem to keep their knees together after a Democrat rally.
Oh yeah, those united Republicans are just killing each other.
Our dithering President can’t even make a decision on Afhganistan for fear that the political backlash from the far Left in Congress will cost him his health care reform package.
Now there’s some unity, according to our Troll Tribe’s newest member, steelyblades. Hey steely, know the purpose for this blog?
Quote: “FrumForum.com is a site edited by David Frum, dedicated to the modernization and renewal of the Republican party and the conservative movement.”
What exactly are YOU and the TrollTribe doing here? Oh yeah, assuring us that the Democrats are staying together until the GOP can send them to the political junk yard. LOL
172 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Centist: ”
“.it was obvious junior was playing out of his league and was essentially a front man”
My response: “And Obambi is so in his league? LMAO! Obambi is an idiot! His ONLY skill is the ability to read from a teleprompter. At least when Palin’s teleprompter went down in her biggest speech of her life, she was able to pull it off with out a hitch. Had that happen to Obambi, he would still be standing there saying “ummmmmm, ahhhh, ummmmm, ahhh, someone please tell me what to say”
Still waiting for you to defend your Messiah….what say you? How is Obambi any more in his league? What accomplishments exactly did Obambi have that would warrant being president? He can read from a teleprompter and he can say the word present, other then that….please explain why Obambi is so great.
173 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Addie, TeaBagged has been reminded that his motto –and that of the TrollTribe and Democrats here– is “Why work for a living when I vote in a govt who will give me one.”
God bless those trolls. Their motto keeps America working to pay taxes just to feed and clothe and house the kids the Democrats breed like rats on a sinking ship. WHy don’t you toss AutomaticBSer a dead ferret and he’ll take the other trolls back under the bridge.
174 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm
AutomaticBSer, please read the following closely:
Quote: “FrumForum.com is a site edited by David Frum, dedicated to the modernization and renewal of the Republican party and the conservative movement.”
You say: “paradoxically given this site I hold people like Frum largely responsible for this state of affairs…….they summoned up the demons like addie, goper and co when they were useful cannon fodder and now as often happens the demons have taken over.” We haven’t taken over anything, troll. You’re in the wrong place is all. Wanna a ferret, troll?
175 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:15 pm
MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:06 pm
……With this guy’s diarrhoia problem you have to wonder if he ever actually leaves the bathroom
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:08 pm
” My response”
……Is so juvenile it doesn’t merit one
176 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:18 pm
MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm @173/174
” God bless those trolls. Their motto keeps America working to pay taxes just to feed and clothe and house the kids the Democrats breed like rats on a sinking ship. WHy don’t you toss AutomaticBSer a dead ferret and he’ll take the other trolls back under the bridge.”
…….you really need the doc to give you some cement for that problem buddy
177 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:24 pm
MI – I totally understand. Centrist tries to claim he’s a “yacht club” member when in fact the closest he’s ever been to a yacht is watching one on TV. He, along with the other trolls want nothing more then welfare rats, standing there with their hands out saying “gimme more, gimme more”
Centrist thinks that Obama will take a yacht from someone who actually worked for it and give it to him and he hates that the people standing in his way of a yacht are people like you and me and the rest of the conservatives!
Little does he know, Obama will take the yacht for himself and his cronies. Democrats want everyone to be equally poor and have equally inferior healthcare.
178 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:25 pm
AutomaticBSer, I’m the guy who is in the correct place. When not on troll duty, I’m discussing with my conservative and republican counterparts the important issues of the day.
I think you’re the one –well, “one” is kind of silly given the duplicate faux names you’ve got– who is in need of a reality check. The site is about rebuilding the GOP and conservative movement. It’s not about letting the far Left vent DailyKos talking points unchecked.
But hey, it seems you’re getting the message along with TeaBagged, CentristNYer, steelyblades, AboutFace and the other multiple named trolls. Need another ferret?
179 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Otto – don’t you mean you have nothing….there is nothing you can say to defend your messiah. He is an empty suit idiot that is president due to affirmative action and certainly not on merit.
180 divinitas // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I really enjoy visiting this site once and awhile and reading the comments as I usually learn a thing or two, but after viewing this thread I’m really disappointed to see it be reduced such pathetic anger and name calling. That said a few thoughts:
-I don’t get what qualifies someone as an “elitist.” Is anyone that goes to college an elitist or just ivy leaguers? and what’s so bad about valuing an education anyways? Since when did it become more popular to be better at name calling than well educated? No wonder why college students and the younger generation are more likely to vote democratic.
-I think John McCain should be held a little more responsible for picking Palin, and the consequence of her Going Rogue.
-The way I see it is the Republican Party is going through a tricky divorce right now. How are republicans that don’t identify with her and other talking heads like her really going to rebuild the party? I guess that’s what this site is about. But maybe we should also get McCain to hire a family court lawyer for us to undo the damage he’s done through her selection.
181 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Addie, the part I don’t get is why they need so badly to keep posting here and taking away from the discussion of serious people intent on constructive business?
Are their miserable lives so bleak, so desolete, so lonely that any drama replaces the hollow nature of their souls? I know in TeaBagged’s case, he lost his soul a long, long time ago… anyone who would lie about military service and laugh about it when caught is a sick little troll. Anyone who would claim that most of his friends have cheated on their wives/partners with a little paid sex –and they’re no different than his hero Slick Willy, the stripper club prez… can’t have much character, either.
I just don’t get the “it” that drives them. Someone else said they’re pathetic, sad, lonely bitter trolls mad that they’re losing the BigMo in the White House.
2010 is the ripe time for Hope and Change to return. Yes we can undo this national nightmare.
182 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Ahhh Divinitas, a new troll enters the blog with this little rejoinder
“-The way I see it is the Republican Party is going through a tricky divorce right now.”
Wow and you didn’t start off the spin with some vintage TeaBagged nonsense… some CentristNYer bull?
“I was born and raised a Republican and voted for Reagan and Bush, three times… but I just can’t stand the GOP now… the radical and Christianists have drive me out”.
Divorce, party being eaten alive? Seems like the 2 newest created trolls are copying each other’s ideas, no? Divinitas, meet steelyblades… oy, you’re just splits of the same character. Sorry.
183 steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:48 pm
divinitas, I’ve wondered the same thing about McCain more than a few times: how could he have selected this person as his running mate? To me it was a startling pick, and not consistent with who John McCain has been throughout his political career.
Not to sidetrack this discussion (or what’s left of it), but I have often wondered what would have happened if McCain had been President from 2000-2008 instead of Bush. Idle daydreaming I know, but still it makes me think back to that South Carolina primary in 2000 and wish things had gone differently.
Anyway, I think McCain’s legacy is going to be forever viewed through the lens of the Palin pick, much the same way Colin Powell’s legacy is going to be viewed through the lens of his performance at the UN leading up to the Iraq War. Perhaps not 100% fair in either case, but they both jumped in the water of their own free will.
184 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:24 pm
” Centrist tries to claim he’s a “yacht club” member when in fact the closest he’s ever been to a yacht is watching one on TV.’
BZZZZ……fail……amnesia alert…..I’m the yachtie not Centrist…..it’s an Alerion btw
185 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm
divin – “I don’t get what qualifies someone as an “elitist.” Is anyone that goes to college an elitist or just ivy leaguers? and what’s so bad about valuing an education anyways? Since when did it become more popular to be better at name calling than well educated? No wonder why college students and the younger generation are more likely to vote democratic.”
Apparently you did not read all the comments because I actually had to spell it out f0r another liberal like yourself. Liberals think just because you went to college you are automatically an “elitist” and that is not the case. I went to college and really do not care to even share where I went but I am not an elitist. Elitist think they are better then others.
Elitist defined:
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
The backbone of the democrat party are elitist. Don’t you know…they are better then you! They know more then you! The people in government think you, me, everyone on this board deserves equally inferior health care but they are too good for the health care bill. You notice they won’t be covered by it.
Their nanny state mentality this US is heading towards (if not already there with many issues) of telling us how to live our lives, how to raise our kids, what to drive, what to heat our houses at, what to eat, what health care we will get is all about the elitist and their self perceived superiority.
But you keep defending them and keep sticking out your hand for what Obambi can give you.
186 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Otto – “BZZZZ……fail……amnesia alert…..I’m the yachtie not Centrist…..it’s an Alerion btw”
Actually you and centrist are the same person.
187 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:56 pm
steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“divinitas, I’ve wondered the same thing about McCain more than a few times: how could he have selected this person as his running mate? To me it was a startling pick, and not consistent with who John McCain has been throughout his political career.”
…..Isn’t it possible that much of McCain’s political career is illusory………the same could be said of his military career which was very checkered until he was shot down…….what the campaign revealed or may confirmed based on his military career that here was a very reckless and not over bright individual who was totally unfit for the office of president
188 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Otto: Do you think that “Addie” is shorthand for “addled”? I guess because she THINKS that I wrote about yacht clubs it must be true. In the same way that she just KNOWS that Obama wants to give her yacht away to ACORN or that Sarah Palin’s teleprompter broke while she was giving her acceptance speech. If it feels right in the gut, it’s gotta be true.
189 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm
“Actually you and centrist are the same person.”
…….bi-groper has serious bowel problems and you see double…….that healthcre reform can’t come soon enough for some…..oh I forgot groper already gets his socialized medicine from the VA
190 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:03 pm
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:57 pm
“Otto: Do you think that “Addie” is shorthand for “addled”?’
……Ahhh my doppelganger ……Is it a she?…..whatever it is it’s very strange, appears to be suffering the early stages of memory loss, and has eyesight problems.
191 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm
“The backbone of the democrat party are elitist.”
…..how unlike our dear Republican party that is headed by men of the people like GWB (Phillips Andover, Yale, Harvard, Bonesman, fifth generation new England old money) or Dick Cheney (est net worth 75 million, former head of Halliburton), or Saint Ronnie (movie star, multi millionaire former governor of CA).
192 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm
“…….bi-groper has serious bowel problems and you see double…….that healthcre reform can’t come soon enough for some…..oh I forgot groper already gets his socialized medicine from the VA”
Such an intellectual statement. You guys are right, your no elitist, your too dumb to be. Welfare rats is a more accurate descriptor. Did you stand in line for your free turkey yet?
193 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Reagan, GWB and cheney never went around telling us where to set out thermostats at, how to raise our kids, and what we can eat.
Wow- you just don’t understand the definition of an elitist do you? Are you seriously that stupid? DOn’t get me wrong, you are certainly no rocket scientist but are you really so dumb you don’t even understand what an elitist is?
194 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:27 pm
“Did you stand in line for your free turkey yet?”
……actually I like rib roast for TG but as we’re going to friends in Maine I guess it’ll have to be Turkey…….somehow I don’t think they stood in a line to get it…..and yep I’m 100% elitist as you’re so obviously not so I can see that you think this is a virtue
195 steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Otto, I can’t quite agree that McCain’s career was as much smoke & mirrors as that. He certainly has demonstrated that he has a reckless streak and he sometimes makes rash decisions. But I guess I gained a lot of respect for him when he labeled Robertson and Falwell “agents of intolerance” and told them where to shove it.
Of course, the speech in itself was a pretty rash act (especially since he gave it in Virginia). But the sentiment behind those convictions made his actions during the 2008 campaign seem pretty strange to me: pandering to the religious right, weakly attempting to “energize the base” instead of carving away at the middle. And choosing Palin as a running mate–the ultimate embodiment of identity politics over substance–was really a surprising move.
Let the feast continue…
196 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Otto – like I’ve said, isn’t it great to live vicariously through your computer? You keep trying to convince yourself you won’t be standing in line for your turkey dinner. Next you’ll be saying you’re a brain surgeon. LOL!
Sadly, you are nothing more then a welfare rat asking Obambi for your to pay your mortgage payment and to pay for your gas and your food stamps and now your health care.
197 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 pm
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm
“yep I’m 100% elitist as you’re so obviously not so I can see that you think this is a virtue.”
It’s funny how these knuckle-draggers scream “elitist!” thinking it’s an epithet and not grasping at all how ridiculous they sound.
Bill Maher wrote a great column two years ago about this very peculiar obsession, which you might enjoy [link below]:
“I don’t get it: In other fields — outside of government — elite is a good thing, like an elite fighting force. Tiger Woods is an elite golfer. If I need brain surgery, I’d like an elite doctor. But in politics, elite is bad — the elite aren’t down-to-earth and accessible like you and me and President S*%#-for-Brains. But when the anti-elite crowd demonizes the elite, what they’re actually doing is embracing incompetence.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/13/pat_robertson/
198 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:52 pm
steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:48 pm
……his military career was dotted with examples of limited intelligence and erratic judgement, his political career with examples of erratic judgement most notably during the Keating affair and during the campaign when he a) chose Palin which was an act of total irresponsibility and b) his ludicrous suspension of his campaign during a financial crisis to the solution of which he contributed zero……he’s a wanker
199 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:55 pm
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:41 pm
“yep I’m 100% elitist as you’re so obviously not so I can see that you think this is a virtue.”
These knuckle-draggers don’t get how ridiculous they sound trashing the concept of “elitism.” Bill Maher wrote a great piece on this subject two years ago you might enjoy [link below]:
“I don’t get it: In other fields — outside of government — elite is a good thing, like an elite fighting force. Tiger Woods is an elite golfer. If I need brain surgery, I’d like an elite doctor. But in politics, elite is bad — the elite aren’t down-to-earth and accessible like you and me and President Shit-for-Brains. But when the anti-elite crowd demonizes the elite, what they’re actually doing is embracing incompetence.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/13/pat_robertson/
200 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:49 pm
…….I’m a welfare rat now…squeak squeak…..scrabble scrabble …..I wish someone had told me this before I spent all that loot on kids schools…..because guess what I’ve turned them into little elitists too……your insults are so pitiful and unoriginal I’m afraid……even mi-goper can do better than this
201 steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Otto, I guess he’s a wanker back in the Senate now…so be it. I didn’t vote for the guy, but I did think more highly of him than most of the prominent GOP leaders these days. I suppose I saw an opportunity for McCain to bring a little rational leadership back to the Republican Party…perhaps too much to expect. Hence the self-immolation we are now witnessing.
202 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm
steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:48 pm
“I guess I gained a lot of respect for him when he labeled Robertson and Falwell “agents of intolerance” and told them where to shove it.”
I agree with you that at the time this was a very bold move, but then he went and spent the next eight years kissing the rear end of every right wing crazy who’d give him the time of day. There were flashes of the old McCain during the campaign — such as when he told a birther type at one of his rallies that Obama wasn’t a secret Muslim and that he loved his country — but it was so obscured by his selection of Palin that it was hard to view him as that once heroic figure ever again.
203 divinitas // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Steelyblades – on your McCain thoughts I agree, definitely a little bit reckless. I’m not a huge fan of Lieberman, but I still believe he would have been a much better pick.
McCain needed someone that impressed voters with an in-depth knowledge on domestic policy issues (health care, education, etc.) This would have been a good compliment to McCain’s foreign policy experience.
204 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Otto – LOL – So defensive….why? Are I right? You call me names and I couldn’t give 2 shits. I know who I am. I called you out for what you are (a welfare rat) and you go all hostile defensive…..is that your guilt speaking? The guilt that you are living vicariously through your computer screen!?!?!
205 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“Otto, I guess he’s a wanker back in the Senate now…so be it.”
……Well there’s plenty of them there including a few democrats so he’s in good company……..to me it’s deeply scary that some of these people can get so near the presidency or in Bush’s case make it…….how anyone who watched that first Kerry/Bush debate (and I’m no Kerry fan) could have possibly thought Bush was remotely competent for the office is an mazing testament to the powers of tribalism even in this wired world…….and you see the same myopia here in the dissing of Obama from people who clearly haven’t the remotest idea of the level of intellect and application it takes to get into and successfully graduate from an Ivy league, or Ivy league level, law school……they are intellectual Everests…..all part of the dumbing down of America I guess……I don’t see it being awfully useful in our rivalry with China do you
206 steelyblades // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Did Addie really just ask “are I right?”
Addie: yes you am.
207 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:13 pm
” Are I right?”
……….er….. no
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209 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Otto – “and you see the same myopia here in the dissing of Obama from people who clearly haven’t the remotest idea of the level of intellect and application it takes to get into and successfully graduate from an Ivy league, or Ivy league level, law school……they are intellectual Everests…..all part of the dumbing down of America I guess…”
Otto thinks he’s such a smart intellect and yet he is so F’N stupid! Let’s see, Bush graduated from Harvard with BETTER GRADES then both Kerry AND Obambi! Getting a degree from an ivy league DOES NOT MAKE one smart!
Obambi got into Harvard due to affirmative action, Harvard needed their token black men to make it’s diversity quota.
But by Otto’s definition, Bill Gates is too dumb to be president and yet George W Bush is because he graduated from an Ivy League college. Okay Otto – whatever…go back to the line for your turkey.
See, Otto, in his own mind, thinks he’s so smart but this “dumbed down american” can see right through his alter ego! Otto – go get an education then come talk to me!
210 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Oh another grammar police. So Steely, please tell me how you felt when you heard the president of the united states (who Otto thinks is so smart just because affirmative action got him into Harvard) end s sentence in a adverb when he said the police “acted stupidly” How pathetic is that! That’s what happens when Obama goes off the teleprompter. That and he says “ta” and “gunna” way too often for someone who is suppose to be “and intellect”.
211 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Just registered for this site, and the first thing I read is this story. Must say I am amazed at the level of unpleasantness on this thread. The post above mine uses the “F” word for goodness sake. What’s up with that sort of language?
212 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:32 pm
“an intellect” – I figured I wo0uld correct myself before I had to stress the grammar police out.
213 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I see the same poster Addie used the “S” word in an earlier post. Is this normal?
214 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Barry – grow up. Nuff said. It was NOT the F word. It was the letter. Are you really that must of a baby? Maybe you should go get your bottle!
215 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Baby boy barryS doesn’t know what to do with himself. OMG someone wrote out the word SHIT. Holy CRAP call the police!
216 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Bhhhhaaaahhhh Baaahhhhhh Barrys, what’s that? He just wee-weed on himself. LOL
217 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Good grief. I am a middle of the road sort of person and have never quite seen anything like this on a mainstream forum. Places like Politico yes that’s a sewer, but here?
218 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Plese Barry – you OBVIOUSLY have never posted here before! Grow F’N will you? Adults do use words like SHIT and F – If you can’t deal then maybe you should check out the disney forum.
219 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:53 pm
207 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:27 pm
“Bush graduated from Harvard with BETTER GRADES”
….would you like provide some back up for that claim…..I’ll wait……….Bush got his undergrad degree at Yale which he got into because alumni preference…..his pa and grandpa went there…..as I recall from reports he was an average student ……he got an MBA at Harvard which trust me doesn’t require a fraction of the intellectual rigor required to graduate magna cum laude at HLS…..the fact that you think otherwise indicates your ignorance in the matter I’m afraid
“Getting a degree from an ivy league DOES NOT MAKE one smart!”
…….Bush is certainly the proof of that…..however, getting a good law degree from from an Ivy league school or its equivalent like Chicago, Stanford or NYU means you are incredibly smart…..I should know, two of my kids and my son in law have them…..not that personal experience counts for anything in your topsy turvy world that essentially applauds ignorance……but that alas is what we’ve come to expect from Republicans these days
220 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Addie, not sure how old you are. I am guessing in your 20’s. You see in polite company you just don’t use the “F” and “S” word. Would you use those words in front of your grandmother?
You don’t know me from Adam, I have never had any cross words with you, yet you flame me with a somewhat juvenile attitude.
221 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 4:43 pm
“Plese Barry – you OBVIOUSLY have never posted here before! Grow F’N will you? Adults do use words like SHIT and F – If you can’t deal then maybe you should check out the disney forum.”
……not continually in polite company which you seem unfamiliar with
222 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Otto: ‘“Bush graduated from Harvard with BETTER GRADES” would you like provide some back up for that claim…..I’ll wait……….Bush got his undergrad degree at Yale ”
And so did Kerry and Kerry didn’t do as well. Not by much of a margin but when Kerry came off thinking he was better and smarter, it doesn’t really matter how much worse he was!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2005-06-10-benedetto_x.htm
As far as Obambi, he won’t release his grades. Obambi has SUCH A HUGE ego that had he really done well in college he would be bragging about it. He would have his grades released and say “See I am smarter then Bush” but considering he won’t release his grades and knowing the man can’t string one sentence together without a teleprompter, he really wasn’t that good of a student.
Otto – “however, getting a good law degree from from an Ivy league school or its equivalent like Chicago, Stanford or NYU means you are incredibly smart”
Oh, so now it’s only law degrees at an Ivy League school that qualifies you to be smart. I just want to make sure I have this straight so when I go to the huffington post and dailyKOS posing as a liberal like some many do here, (posing as a republican) I’ll have the story straight. Of course the only reason why Obambi has a law degree from Harvard is thanks to affirmative action and Harvard’s need to fill their quota. Like I said, had he done well enough to get to Harvard on Merit, he’s be bragging about his grades.
223 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Baby BarryS – “Addie, not sure how old you are. I am guessing in your 20’s. You see in polite company you just don’t use the “F” and “S” word. Would you use those words in front of your grandmother?
You don’t know me from Adam, I have never had any cross words with you, yet you flame me with a somewhat juvenile attitude.”
My age is whatever you want it to be. I personally don’t give a rats ass (of my, another no-no word) how old you think I am. Sorry baby barry but I am not in front of my grandmother nor am I in polite company. Duh…can you read?
You too are a troll! you said this was your first thread, BS, (that’s short for BULLSHIT) it’s not even a headline. You just randomly selected this as your very first. LOL – Whatever baby barry…or is it teabagger?
224 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“Oh, so now it’s only law degrees at an Ivy League school that qualifies you to be smart.”
……I didn’t say that, but by definition if you do……. you are!…..graduating magna cum laude from HLS and being president of the law review requires a level of intellectual attainment that you don’t begin to comprehend….begin in fact your ignorance is fairly puke inducing …… you don’t even seem to understand the difference between undergrad and grad school……I’m afraid you’re showing distinct signs of being BWI so I’m going to mix myself an elitist martini……ciao
225 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Otto – “.graduating magna cum laude from HLS and being president of the law review requires a level of intellectual attainment that you don’t begin to comprehend….begin in fact your ignorance is fairly puke inducing”
Wow Otto – you are a bigger bullshitter then the president is. Please, show me PROOF where Obama graduated magna cum laude! There is NONE! He WON’T release his grades. Saying it and proving it are 2 different things. Just Like Obama getting a Nobel Peace Prize because he read some speeches off of a teleprompter! Words, JUST words!
I’m glad you brought up HLR because Obambi is the ONLY president of the law review who was UNPUBLISHED! He was put their to satisfy the diversity quotas. IT CERTAINLY WASN’T BASED ON MERIT, NOTHING PUBLISHED!!!
DUH! You are Kerry – you think you are so much smarter then me and keep believing it. You, like Kerry will end up being the fool.
Enjoy your Bush Beer. That is all your welfare check can afford these days.
226 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:40 pm
My age is whatever you want it to be. I personally don’t give a rats ass (of my, another no-no word) how old you think I am. Sorry baby barry but I am not in front of my grandmother nor am I in polite company. Duh…can you read?
WOW! I won’t stoop to your level. Let me just say that I have been a Republican for 40 years. I still am. I have rarely seen such juvenile talk from someone supposedly putting fort a point of view.
What do you hope to achieve here using swear words and such a level of distain.
227 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Oh, an before the grammar police go crazy – “He was put there”
Fortunately, I make money due to the fact that I am a math genius, not english/grammar.
228 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Baby BarryS – “WOW! I won’t stoop to your level. Let me just say that I have been a Republican for 40 years. I still am. I have rarely seen such juvenile talk from someone supposedly putting fort a point of view.
What do you hope to achieve here using swear words and such a level of distain.”
Good for you baby Barry – a republican for 40 Years! What do you want? A metal?
229 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm
BarryS, welcome to Political Wrestlemania!
I used to come here fairly regularly then took a break, returning recently to discover that the once relatively thoughtful comment boards had become an outpost for foul-mouthed, willfully ignorant, Obama-haters who live in a fact-free zone. As you suggested, Addie is either a morose teenager with no social skills or a sad adult with a serious case of Turret’s.
I recommend that unless you have a cast iron stomach, you not engage her or her ilk directly.
230 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:56 pm
BTW, given the number of serious misspellings and grammatical screw-ups in her posts (”What do you want? A metal?), I’m leaning to the teenager theory myself.
231 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Anyone else surprised that BarryS just happens to stop in to the blog and begins relentlessly badgering only the conservative commenters and republican ones online… while maintaining that he’s an independent who… yeah, we’ve all heard that line of spin before with a new poster. Oh wait, you’ve been a Republican for 40 yrs?? I don’t think that line has been used before for instant scorn and credibility?
Oh, yeah, it sure sounds like that is true. Quick, someone get Dorothy and Toto… we’ve got a way to get them back to Kansas… the Whiz of Oz is here.
I just happened to stop in, read this thread, register and post. Yeah… is all that hot air for the balloon back to Kansas, bub?
I’m telling you Addie, the Trolls around here are nothing if not transparent and easy to dispatch. Want to bet we don’t hear from BarryS much in the future?
232 MI-GOPer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Let’s all help CentristNYer say what he really means…
“I used to come here fairly regularly then took a break, returning recently to discover that the once relatively thoughtful comment boards had become an outpost for foul-mouthed, willfully ignorant, Obama-haters who live in a fact-free zone.”
Should be:
I’m really upset because this thread use to be filled with only democrat activists who shared by far Left viewpoint and we could all laugh and make fun of the GOP and conservatives and Christianists. Now, this site has some spine and intelligent people are cutting apart our usual monopoly on the truth and that sucks. Their arguments are better informed, better constructed, more factual and they aren’t afraid to dish out what far Left activists had been dishing out on Bush for years and years. It stinks we don’t have the sandbox to ourselves under the rubric of a GOP or conservative site.
I think that takes care of the Troll known as CentristNYer… who is neither centrist nor moderate but a dyed-in-the-wool far Left democrat activist straught from the pages of the DailyKos… and the invention of another troll on the site.
233 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:40 pm
“Please, show me PROOF where Obama graduated magna cum laude!”
……As I recall it my son’s summa and daughter’s magna were published….so I see no reason to believe Obama’s wasn’t at the time although I haven’t personally seen it …… his biogs usually say he was magna but of course he could have been lying as he did about his birthplace
234 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:43 pm
“Fortunately, I make money due to the fact that I am a math genius, not english/grammar.”
…..modest as well as illiterate and foul mouthed
235 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm
MI-GOPer – I know it. He also just happened to stumble on this thread first. Not that it’s a headliner thread or anything. Baby barry is just one of Otto’s alter egos.
You notice that they can’t respond to anything meaningful like prove Obama graduated “magna cum laude ” They will spew their lies but when asked them to back it up with facts they just name call. Of course it has to kill them knowing their Messiah is an empty suit and they have no way to prove otherwise.
236 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Otto – like I said, call me whatever you want. Call me stupid….whatever….I know who I am. I don’t need to hide behind my alter ego and lie and say I’m a yacht club member and elitist when you are nothing more then a welfare rat working for his weekly MoveOn.org check for trolling conservative website.
237 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:12 pm
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm
“I recommend that unless you have a cast iron stomach, you not engage her or her ilk directly.’
……they are good entertainment value…..I have a mental picture of them somewhat similar to the inmates of that Viennese asylum to which the unfortunate Salieri was carried off in Amadeus…..mi-gopers definitely the guy in the cage
238 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:12 pm
“and say I’m a yacht club member ”
…..stop I’m going to wreck my computer with my tear of laughter…..I think I can safely say you are definitely NOT a member of any yacht club that I’ve ever belonged to….and there have been several
239 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:17 pm
And will one of you Grammar Police PLEASE answer my question? How did you like hearing Obambi ending s sentence with an adverb on National TV when he said the police “acted stupidly”
I mean come one, you keep bringing up my grammar and spelling and if I know that ending a sentence with an adverb is basic grammar 101 it’s has to irk you that your messiah, someone you think is soooo intelligence could make such a dumb statement.
What about all the times he says “ummm and ahhh” or “ta” and “gunna” that must make your skin crawl with all your grammar policing. To think someone of Obambi’s intellect can repeatedly use the words “gunna” and “ta”
240 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:19 pm
LOL OTTO – keep dreaming.
Did you get that free turkey yet? Obambi is gunna give you one.
241 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Otto – “……As I recall it my son’s summa and daughter’s magna were published….so I see no reason to believe Obama’s wasn’t at the time although I haven’t personally seen it …… his biogs usually say he was magna but of course he could have been lying as he did about his birthplace”
No one has seen it. At least people found the announcement in the paper in hawaii when he was born but funny how no one can come up with the announcement that he graduated magna cum laude. It never happened.
242 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:26 pm
235 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“You notice that they can’t respond to anything meaningful like prove Obama graduated “magna cum laude”
……From the Encylopaedia Britannica……..fortunately they have fact checkers to expose the nonsenses of the brain dead
“He returned to school three years later and graduated magna cum laude in 1991 from Harvard University’s law school, where he was the first African American to serve as president of the Harvard Law Review. While a summer associate in 1989 at the Chicago law firm of Sidley Austin, Obama had met Chicago native Michelle Robinson, a young lawyer at the firm. The two married in 1992.”
243 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:26 pm
ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:12 pm
“they are good entertainment value…I have a mental picture of them somewhat similar to the inmates of that Viennese asylum to which the unfortunate Salieri was carried off in Amadeus.”
There’s no question that they provide nearly as many laughs as grimaces.
As for their inmate status, they clearly live in a facility that allows quite a bit of computer time. Addled has been posting virtually around the clock. I suppose they consider it therapy.
244 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm
“He returned to school three years later and graduated magna cum laude in 1991 from Harvard University’s law school, where he was the first African American to serve as president of the Harvard Law Review. While a summer associate in 1989 at the Chicago law firm of Sidley Austin, Obama had met Chicago native Michelle Robinson, a young lawyer at the firm. The two married in 1992.”“
Proves nothing. They are just taking Obamabi’s word on it which these days has ZERO credibility. Show me his grades! Why won’t your messiah release them? Are you going to defend that? Show me the newspaper clipping where it was published that he, along with the others in his class are listed.
Never Happened!
245 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:29 pm
BTW, Otto, when she was going off on your “elitism,” I was reminded of a piece that Bill Maher wrote on this very topic two years ago in Salon. He put it very well:
“I don’t get it: In other fields — outside of government — elite is a good thing, like an elite fighting force. Tiger Woods is an elite golfer. If I need brain surgery, I’d like an elite doctor. But in politics, elite is bad — the elite aren’t down-to-earth and accessible like you and me and President S*%#-for-Brains. But when the anti-elite crowd demonizes the elite, what they’re actually doing is embracing incompetence.”
246 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Here’s the link:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/13/pat_robertson/
247 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:37 pm
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:26 pm
“Addled has been posting virtually around the clock. I suppose they consider it therapy.”
……It’s being raining a lot here today so I’ve had a lot of fun rattling her (is it a her?) cage
248 BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm
CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 5:54 pm
BarryS, welcome to Political Wrestlemania!
I used to come here fairly regularly then took a break, returning recently to discover that the once relatively thoughtful comment boards had become an outpost for foul-mouthed, willfully ignorant, Obama-haters who live in a fact-free zone. As you suggested, Addie is either a morose teenager with no social skills or a sad adult with a serious case of Turret’s.
I recommend that unless you have a cast iron stomach, you not engage her or her ilk directly.
Thanks for the welcome. I will heed your advice. I’m no shrinking violet but I do like a decent standard of discussion. I don’t care if they are Liberals or Republicans you can be reasonably civil. Swearing is just the action of the uncouth and immature.
249 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm
“Proves nothing”
……..when you produce a ref as reputable as the EB that says he didn’t graduate magna someone might think you less than crazy……when students grad from Harvard or NYU law schools which is my experience their distinction is published at the commencement dear person…..now I suppose Obama’s agents could have destroyed all copies of these docs but it doesn’t seem likely
250 Addie // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Hey Centrist – I bet you think you are so smart right now! Wow – did it take you all day to come up with that? Did you know that elite also means “A size of type on a typewriter, equal to 12 characters per linear inch”
You are such a smart fella. Elite can mean “A size of type on a typewriter, equal to 12 characters per linear inch”, it can also mean, ” The best or most skilled members of a group” which is what you just wrote.
Hold it, wait for it……it can also mean….
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
Imagine that, a word has more then one meaning.
251 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:45 pm
BarryS // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm
“I don’t care if they are Liberals or Republicans you can be reasonably civil.”
Glad to have you here. You sound sane and reasonable, so be prepared to be hate-bombed as a “troll” and a “Democrat activist.” And if you’re really lucky, you might just get pegged as an “elitist,” too, in which case Addie will award you a “metal.”
252 ottovbvs // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:49 pm
245 CentristNYer // Nov 23, 2009 at 6:29 pm
” But when the anti-elite crowd demonizes the elite, what they’re actually doing is embracing incompetence.”
…..For some reason they like incompetence…..it’s a similar phenomenon to southern states who are poor and therefore likely much larger beneficiaries of universal healthcare who are most opposed to it…….these people are basically thick
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254 Neo // Nov 24, 2009 at 4:15 pm
For those folks too young or with faulty memories, I have a name .. Richard Schultz Schweiker or Sen. Dick Schweiker (R-PA) .. and a year 1976.
If Reagan “adventure” with Schweiker isn’t “going rogue” then it just doesn’t exist.
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