Comments on: Quit Whining 2 http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2 Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:26:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: barker13 http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-3#comment-57692 barker13 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:37:22 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57692 Re: Sinz54 // Jul 29, 2009 at 7:09 pm -- Let me see if I get the underlying Sinz... er... "logic." (*SNORT*) (Here goes...!) Kerry the liberal Democrat lost in 2004 so therefore the Democrats should have run a more conservative Democrat in '08 to avoid losing to McCain, which Obama - who is arguably Left of Kerry - did. (Hold it! Hold everything! Obama didn't lose... he WON...) (*SCRATCHING MY HEAD*) Oh, well... so much for "Sinz Logic." (*CHUCKLE*) BILL Re: Sinz54 // Jul 29, 2009 at 7:09 pm –

Let me see if I get the underlying Sinz… er… “logic.”

(*SNORT*) (Here goes…!)

Kerry the liberal Democrat lost in 2004 so therefore the Democrats should have run a more conservative Democrat in ‘08 to avoid losing to McCain, which Obama – who is arguably Left of Kerry – did.

(Hold it! Hold everything! Obama didn’t lose… he WON…)

(*SCRATCHING MY HEAD*)

Oh, well… so much for “Sinz Logic.”

(*CHUCKLE*)

BILL

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57657 sinz54 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:09:25 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57657 badcandy: Here's a question for you: Hypothetically: If Sarah Palin becomes the GOP nominee for President in 2012, and then goes on to lose to Obama in a landslide, will you then admit you blew it, and let us center-rightists like Frum try it our way? After all, nobody can call Sarah Palin a RINO. So if she loses too, what then? badcandy: Here’s a question for you:

Hypothetically: If Sarah Palin becomes the GOP nominee for President in 2012, and then goes on to lose to Obama in a landslide, will you then admit you blew it, and let us center-rightists like Frum try it our way?

After all, nobody can call Sarah Palin a RINO. So if she loses too, what then?

]]> By: sinz54 http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57654 sinz54 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:04:09 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57654 MFarmer sez: "Moderates need to decide what they stand for, instead of, ironically in this case, whining about the faction they dislike." I'm center-right, and I know exactly what I stand for. I've stated my principles (which underlie policy) several times on this blog. <i><b>But I don't run this blog<b></i> David Frum has never set forth the principles of his New Majority philosophy. What is his stand on tax cuts vs. budget balance? Interventionism abroad vs. non-interventionism? Science vs. religion and ethics? Just to name a few. He's never explained himself in just a couple of concise paragraphs; and as a result, New Majority keeps wobbling around. MFarmer sez: “Moderates need to decide what they stand for, instead of, ironically in this case, whining about the faction they dislike.”

I’m center-right, and I know exactly what I stand for. I’ve stated my principles (which underlie policy) several times on this blog. But I don’t run this blog

David Frum has never set forth the principles of his New Majority philosophy. What is his stand on tax cuts vs. budget balance? Interventionism abroad vs. non-interventionism? Science vs. religion and ethics? Just to name a few.

He’s never explained himself in just a couple of concise paragraphs; and as a result, New Majority keeps wobbling around.

]]> By: Morning Skim: Iraq Attacks, Stock Signals, Conservative Despair and More - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57556 Morning Skim: Iraq Attacks, Stock Signals, Conservative Despair and More - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:20:02 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57556 [...] wrong politically, wrong psychologically, wrong morally.” In the second he wrote, “As wrong and harmful as the Obama administration’s plans are, the administration is playing by the rules of the game. [...] [...] wrong politically, wrong psychologically, wrong morally.” In the second he wrote, “As wrong and harmful as the Obama administration’s plans are, the administration is playing by the rules of the game. [...]

]]> By: ottovbvs http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57543 ottovbvs Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:59:54 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57543 badcandy // Jul 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm "In fact for anyone but the visually challenged it’s apparent in the polls the winds are already changing and that current is noticeably to the right . " ...........Oh you mean Obama's appro has fallen from the high sixties to the high fifties (he won with 53%) and that's really only because he's being dragged down by a the south........I can tell you aren't a very sophisticated reader of polls but you should look at the regional breakdowns because they are scary for Republicans .........Republican id is at historic lows and Republican appro overall and on issues is in the low thirties......At the moment the GOP is on the way to becoming a 35% of the vote regional party.......so keep up the good work........I want the GOP to re-emerge but it's only going to do that when ideas which appeal to you are no longer dominant badcandy // Jul 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm
“In fact for anyone but the visually challenged it’s apparent in the polls the winds are already changing and that current is noticeably to the right . ”

………..Oh you mean Obama’s appro has fallen from the high sixties to the high fifties (he won with 53%) and that’s really only because he’s being dragged down by a the south……..I can tell you aren’t a very sophisticated reader of polls but you should look at the regional breakdowns because they are scary for Republicans ………Republican id is at historic lows and Republican appro overall and on issues is in the low thirties……At the moment the GOP is on the way to becoming a 35% of the vote regional party…….so keep up the good work……..I want the GOP to re-emerge but it’s only going to do that when ideas which appeal to you are no longer dominant

]]> By: In da Buff (Buffalo, New York) – Of Asses and Elephants: Whinin’ and Dinin’ Edition http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57526 In da Buff (Buffalo, New York) – Of Asses and Elephants: Whinin’ and Dinin’ Edition Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:01:05 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57526 [...] Buffalo Pundit posted a link to a piece by David Frum on the New Majority called Quit Whining. [...] [...] Buffalo Pundit posted a link to a piece by David Frum on the New Majority called Quit Whining. [...]

]]> By: In da Buff (Buffalo, New York) – Of Asses and Elephants: Whinin’ and Dinin’ Edition http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57527 In da Buff (Buffalo, New York) – Of Asses and Elephants: Whinin’ and Dinin’ Edition Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:01:05 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57527 [...] Buffalo Pundit posted a link to a piece by David Frum on the New Majority called Quit Whining. [...] [...] Buffalo Pundit posted a link to a piece by David Frum on the New Majority called Quit Whining. [...]

]]> By: Quit Whining 4 http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57518 Quit Whining 4 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:11:22 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57518 [...] is part four in a series, read part one here, part two here and part three [...] [...] is part four in a series, read part one here, part two here and part three [...]

]]> By: Quit Whining! http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57507 Quit Whining! Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:28:54 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57507 [...] This is part one in a series.  Click here for part two. [...] [...] This is part one in a series.  Click here for part two. [...]

]]> By: Frum to RepubliCons: Quit Whining! | WNYmedia.net http://www.frumforum.com/quit-whining-2/comment-page-2#comment-57501 Frum to RepubliCons: Quit Whining! | WNYmedia.net Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:54:34 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=8785#comment-57501 [...] Whether you agree with Frum’s underlying premise or not, this is truth: It is also to act and look like sore losers. If America has been sliding gently but irresistibly into soft despotism, where were all the valiant defenders of liberty before November of 2008? Soft despotism begins to look less like a profound sociological trend, more like undulations of the sine curve: It’s despotism when we lose, freedom when we win. We should have more confidence in the people and the country than this. We should also have more charity to our political opponents – who after all are contending with hideous problems bequeathed to them by … by … well suddenly we Republicans cannot seem to remember who preceded Barack Obama in office. To listen to us, you’d think that the bailouts and takeovers started on January 20, 2009, not the previous March. You’d never know that TARP was supported by almost every Republican commentator, including the editors of National Review. Or that Vice President Cheney argued urgently in favor of the rescue of the Detroit automakers. Or that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac enjoyed the backing of Republican as well as Democratic lawmakers. [...] [...] Whether you agree with Frum’s underlying premise or not, this is truth: It is also to act and look like sore losers. If America has been sliding gently but irresistibly into soft despotism, where were all the valiant defenders of liberty before November of 2008? Soft despotism begins to look less like a profound sociological trend, more like undulations of the sine curve: It’s despotism when we lose, freedom when we win. We should have more confidence in the people and the country than this. We should also have more charity to our political opponents – who after all are contending with hideous problems bequeathed to them by … by … well suddenly we Republicans cannot seem to remember who preceded Barack Obama in office. To listen to us, you’d think that the bailouts and takeovers started on January 20, 2009, not the previous March. You’d never know that TARP was supported by almost every Republican commentator, including the editors of National Review. Or that Vice President Cheney argued urgently in favor of the rescue of the Detroit automakers. Or that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac enjoyed the backing of Republican as well as Democratic lawmakers. [...]

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