Comments on: President William Jefferson Obama http://www.frumforum.com/president-william-jefferson-obama Building a conservatism that can win again Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:50:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kevin B http://www.frumforum.com/president-william-jefferson-obama/comment-page-1#comment-64342 Kevin B Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:10:31 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=12048#comment-64342 Whatever bill crosses the President's desk, Americans will have doubts. Americans will also be proud of the achievement. Americans think Obama is the Worst. President. Ever. Americans think Obama is the new Messiah. Americans think other Americans' ideas about Obama are too extreme. Americans will argue with each other about the current healthcare problems, and Americans will receive a solution in the form of new legislation, which an American will sign into law. Americans will love this. Americans will hate this. Americans will challenge parts of the new legislation in courts, and Americans will hand down 5-4 decisions on these challenges. The end result will be a system of healthcare that is uniquely American. In a few years Americans will think their healthcare system is the envy of the world. The world will call Americans arrogant for thinking this. Whatever bill crosses the President’s desk, Americans will have doubts. Americans will also be proud of the achievement.

Americans think Obama is the Worst. President. Ever. Americans think Obama is the new Messiah. Americans think other Americans’ ideas about Obama are too extreme.

Americans will argue with each other about the current healthcare problems, and Americans will receive a solution in the form of new legislation, which an American will sign into law. Americans will love this. Americans will hate this. Americans will challenge parts of the new legislation in courts, and Americans will hand down 5-4 decisions on these challenges.

The end result will be a system of healthcare that is uniquely American. In a few years Americans will think their healthcare system is the envy of the world.

The world will call Americans arrogant for thinking this.

]]> By: anotherdan http://www.frumforum.com/president-william-jefferson-obama/comment-page-1#comment-64232 anotherdan Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:32:15 +0000 http://www.newmajority.com/?p=12048#comment-64232 In this health care conversation everybody calls the current system a "free market" system. Why? There is not much free market about it. When people get sick they don't shop hospitals and doctors for best price or best value for the dollar. They go where ever, not even considering the price. If the visit cost $30 or $3000 it wouldn't effect their decision because the big pot that they throw their money into (the insurance agency or government) will pay for it. For a diabetic who needs insulin, is the high priced insulin a luxury item that is a mere option or is their had forced? No amount of fiscal discipline would keep the diabetic from buying it and in the long run effect the price to go down (supply and demand is not in effect). Think about how similar our current health system is to a socialized system. No body pays for their health care. They throw their money into a pot. In the long run some pay for %1 of their health care and some pay %2000 of their health care. Instead of paying the government to organize the pot we pay insurgence adjusters and CEOs to organize the pot. Some people would would never trust a Big government to run such a big complicated industry that holds our lives in their hands.... well that is besides the big complicated military the government runs.... We trust the government to hold Guns, not scalpels. How inconsistent. Also is taking health insurance an option. I don't know many people who would opt for using the money that gets pulled from their check for health insurance to discontinue, It seems to be not a reasonable option. Other things the government seems to do with great precision and efficiency is.... The IRS. Anyway, I'm just ranting cause I don't think the "public option" is as black & white as a lot of conservative people are making it. Many of the holes you tear in the "Public option" concept could be torn into the "free market" system as well. In this health care conversation everybody calls the current system a “free market” system. Why? There is not much free market about it. When people get sick they don’t shop hospitals and doctors for best price or best value for the dollar. They go where ever, not even considering the price. If the visit cost $30 or $3000 it wouldn’t effect their decision because the big pot that they throw their money into (the insurance agency or government) will pay for it. For a diabetic who needs insulin, is the high priced insulin a luxury item that is a mere option or is their had forced? No amount of fiscal discipline would keep the diabetic from buying it and in the long run effect the price to go down (supply and demand is not in effect). Think about how similar our current health system is to a socialized system. No body pays for their health care. They throw their money into a pot. In the long run some pay for %1 of their health care and some pay %2000 of their health care. Instead of paying the government to organize the pot we pay insurgence adjusters and CEOs to organize the pot. Some people would would never trust a Big government to run such a big complicated industry that holds our lives in their hands…. well that is besides the big complicated military the government runs…. We trust the government to hold Guns, not scalpels. How inconsistent. Also is taking health insurance an option. I don’t know many people who would opt for using the money that gets pulled from their check for health insurance to discontinue, It seems to be not a reasonable option. Other things the government seems to do with great precision and efficiency is…. The IRS. Anyway, I’m just ranting cause I don’t think the “public option” is as black & white as a lot of conservative people are making it. Many of the holes you tear in the “Public option” concept could be torn into the “free market” system as well.

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