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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78379</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The naivety of youth and or religion breeds terrorism.</description>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78355</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politico.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Republicans have cast votes against the key TSA funding measure, the 2010 appropriation bill for the Department of Homeland Security contained, which included funding for the TSA, including for explosives detection systems and other aviation security measures. In the June 24 vote in the House, leading Republicans including John Boehner, Pete Hoekstra, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan voted against the bill, amid a procedural dispute over the appropriations process, a Democrat points out. A full 108 Republicans voted against the conference version, including Boehner, Boehner, Hoekstra, Pence, Michelle Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, Darrell Issa, and Joe Wilson.

The conference bill included more than $4 billion for &quot;screening operations,&quot; including $1.1 billion in funding for explosives detection systems, including $778 million for buying and installing the systems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politico.</p>
<p>Republicans have cast votes against the key TSA funding measure, the 2010 appropriation bill for the Department of Homeland Security contained, which included funding for the TSA, including for explosives detection systems and other aviation security measures. In the June 24 vote in the House, leading Republicans including John Boehner, Pete Hoekstra, Mike Pence and Paul Ryan voted against the bill, amid a procedural dispute over the appropriations process, a Democrat points out. A full 108 Republicans voted against the conference version, including Boehner, Boehner, Hoekstra, Pence, Michelle Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, Darrell Issa, and Joe Wilson.</p>
<p>The conference bill included more than $4 billion for &#8220;screening operations,&#8221; including $1.1 billion in funding for explosives detection systems, including $778 million for buying and installing the systems.</p>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78354</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for an edit function!</description>
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		<title>By: teabag</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78353</link>
		<dc:creator>teabag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate Silver puts this in context.

&lt;blockquoteOver the past decade, there have been, by my count, six attempted terrorist incidents on board a commercial airliner than landed in or departed from the United States: the four planes that were hijacked on 9/11, the shoe bomber incident in December 2001, and the NWA flight 253 incident on Christmas…
Over the past decade, according to BTS [the Bureau of Transportation Statistics], there have been 99,320,309 commercial airline departures that either originated or landed within the United States. Dividing by six, we get one terrorist incident per 16,553,385 departures.

These departures flew a collective 69,415,786,000 miles. That means there has been one terrorist incident per 11,569,297,667 mles flown. This distance is equivalent to 1,459,664 trips around the diameter of the Earth, 24,218 round trips to the Moon, or two round trips to Neptune…

There were a total of 674 passengers, not counting crew or the terrorists themselves, on the flights on which these incidents occurred. By contrast, there have been 7,015,630,000 passenger enplanements over the past decade. Therefore, the odds of being on given departure which is the subject of a terrorist incident have been 1 in 10,408,947 over the past decade. By contrast, the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are about 1 in 500,000. This means that you could board 20 flights per year and still be less likely to be the subject of an attempted terrorist attack than to be struck by lightning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate Silver puts this in context.</p>
<p>&lt;blockquoteOver the past decade, there have been, by my count, six attempted terrorist incidents on board a commercial airliner than landed in or departed from the United States: the four planes that were hijacked on 9/11, the shoe bomber incident in December 2001, and the NWA flight 253 incident on Christmas…<br />
Over the past decade, according to BTS [the Bureau of Transportation Statistics], there have been 99,320,309 commercial airline departures that either originated or landed within the United States. Dividing by six, we get one terrorist incident per 16,553,385 departures.</p>
<p>These departures flew a collective 69,415,786,000 miles. That means there has been one terrorist incident per 11,569,297,667 mles flown. This distance is equivalent to 1,459,664 trips around the diameter of the Earth, 24,218 round trips to the Moon, or two round trips to Neptune…</p>
<p>There were a total of 674 passengers, not counting crew or the terrorists themselves, on the flights on which these incidents occurred. By contrast, there have been 7,015,630,000 passenger enplanements over the past decade. Therefore, the odds of being on given departure which is the subject of a terrorist incident have been 1 in 10,408,947 over the past decade. By contrast, the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are about 1 in 500,000. This means that you could board 20 flights per year and still be less likely to be the subject of an attempted terrorist attack than to be struck by lightning.</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78349</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aDude: &lt;blockquote&gt; I would remind everyone of the kamikaze ethic of Imperial Japan during World War II. The one similarity, of course, is a religious belief that there will be reward in the afterlife for giving one’s life for the greater cause. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka have used suicide bombing (as well as other terrorist tactics) in their fight to secede from Sri Lanka.

The major Tamil religion is Shaivite Hinduism, but the Tigers don&#039;t see themselves as warriors for God, but for their land.   Does anybody here know if they&#039;re so religiously devout that they too believe they will go to Heaven after they blow themselves up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aDude:  I would remind everyone of the kamikaze ethic of Imperial Japan during World War II. The one similarity, of course, is a religious belief that there will be reward in the afterlife for giving one’s life for the greater cause.<br />
The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka have used suicide bombing (as well as other terrorist tactics) in their fight to secede from Sri Lanka.</p>
<p>The major Tamil religion is Shaivite Hinduism, but the Tigers don&#8217;t see themselves as warriors for God, but for their land.   Does anybody here know if they&#8217;re so religiously devout that they too believe they will go to Heaven after they blow themselves up?</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78348</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jakester: &lt;blockquote&gt; On the other hand, even when you take into account what the Nips did in Nanking after the city surrendered, murdering 250K civilians &lt;/blockquote&gt;
The Japanese had their own racial theory just like the Germans did.  To the average Japanese, a Chinese or a Korean was scum.  They felt about the Chinese the way the Germans did about the Slavs.

That made it real easy to rape, torture, and murder them.

&lt;blockquote&gt; dying for the emperor and Yamato was part of their creed, but that all ended when they saw where that was going to take them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
It didn&#039;t end until their emperor &lt;i&gt;told them&lt;/i&gt; to knock it off.  In his Imperial Rescript of August 1945, the emperor told his people to accept the Allied ultimatum and cooperate peacefully with the Americans.

The reason why America had such trouble in Iraq after the fall of the Saddam regime, is that no one from the Saddam government issued any such official proclamation.  Remember that famous &quot;52 card deck&quot; of Iraqi officials?  We caught or killed most of them--but we never got any formal surrender agreement, any formal statement suing for peace, out of any of them.

Muslims, like the Japanese before them, simply don&#039;t know how to surrender--until they&#039;re told to by their own leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jakester:  On the other hand, even when you take into account what the Nips did in Nanking after the city surrendered, murdering 250K civilians<br />
The Japanese had their own racial theory just like the Germans did.  To the average Japanese, a Chinese or a Korean was scum.  They felt about the Chinese the way the Germans did about the Slavs.</p>
<p>That made it real easy to rape, torture, and murder them.</p>
<p> dying for the emperor and Yamato was part of their creed, but that all ended when they saw where that was going to take them.<br />
It didn&#8217;t end until their emperor told them to knock it off.  In his Imperial Rescript of August 1945, the emperor told his people to accept the Allied ultimatum and cooperate peacefully with the Americans.</p>
<p>The reason why America had such trouble in Iraq after the fall of the Saddam regime, is that no one from the Saddam government issued any such official proclamation.  Remember that famous &#8220;52 card deck&#8221; of Iraqi officials?  We caught or killed most of them&#8211;but we never got any formal surrender agreement, any formal statement suing for peace, out of any of them.</p>
<p>Muslims, like the Japanese before them, simply don&#8217;t know how to surrender&#8211;until they&#8217;re told to by their own leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78340</link>
		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adDude
true, dying for the emperor and Yamato was part of their creed, but that all ended when they saw where that was going to take them.</description>
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true, dying for the emperor and Yamato was part of their creed, but that all ended when they saw where that was going to take them.</p>
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		<title>By: aDude</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78338</link>
		<dc:creator>aDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A minor note.  From time to time I see references to suicide bombing as being somehow unique to Islamic terrorism.  I would remind everyone of the kamikaze ethic of Imperial Japan during World War II.  The one similarity, of course, is a religious belief that there will be reward in the afterlife for giving one&#039;s life for the greater cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A minor note.  From time to time I see references to suicide bombing as being somehow unique to Islamic terrorism.  I would remind everyone of the kamikaze ethic of Imperial Japan during World War II.  The one similarity, of course, is a religious belief that there will be reward in the afterlife for giving one&#8217;s life for the greater cause.</p>
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		<title>By: jakester</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78337</link>
		<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinz54,
I have to agree with you on both above posts. That is what the liberal morons at HuffPost say all the time: McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima. The Huffpost ninnies just banned me cause I said on that  bomb thread that this guy was a Muslim just like all the other ones recently.
On the other hand, even when you take into account what the Nips did in Nanking after the city surrendered, murdering 250K civilians with swords, bayonets, guns, clubs, which was greater than both a bombs together, using a-bombs even if it ended the war they started is hardly humanitarian either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinz54,<br />
I have to agree with you on both above posts. That is what the liberal morons at HuffPost say all the time: McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima, McVeigh, Hiroshima. The Huffpost ninnies just banned me cause I said on that  bomb thread that this guy was a Muslim just like all the other ones recently.<br />
On the other hand, even when you take into account what the Nips did in Nanking after the city surrendered, murdering 250K civilians with swords, bayonets, guns, clubs, which was greater than both a bombs together, using a-bombs even if it ended the war they started is hardly humanitarian either!</p>
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		<title>By: sinz54</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/poverty-breeds-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-78324</link>
		<dc:creator>sinz54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin_Anderson: &lt;blockquote&gt;Timothy McVeigh was a Christian &lt;/blockquote&gt;
At his trial, McVeigh said he was an agnostic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin_Anderson: Timothy McVeigh was a Christian<br />
At his trial, McVeigh said he was an agnostic.</p>
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