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		<title>By: openhand</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-74438</link>
		<dc:creator>openhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really beleive Palin is a good person, but totally out of her depth, as was GW Bush. Remeber Rumsfeld briefing George with daily quotes from the Bible to ensure that he kept the POTUS under his spell? Well, if they can do it with W they can do it with Sarah.

The reality is though, the neocon experiment was so successful that it overdosed.  They broke the rule of the parasite, never let your host know you are there, and the way you do that is to curb your enthusiasm. Well they didn&#039;t, we noticed them and flicked them off, and yes we have to deal with the mess which is where Sarah gets her following.

Sarahs support is a symptom of a real insecurity that is part of any transition. It makes good copy, but in the reality, it is no more significant than an itch on an amputated leg. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really beleive Palin is a good person, but totally out of her depth, as was GW Bush. Remeber Rumsfeld briefing George with daily quotes from the Bible to ensure that he kept the POTUS under his spell? Well, if they can do it with W they can do it with Sarah.</p>
<p>The reality is though, the neocon experiment was so successful that it overdosed.  They broke the rule of the parasite, never let your host know you are there, and the way you do that is to curb your enthusiasm. Well they didn&#8217;t, we noticed them and flicked them off, and yes we have to deal with the mess which is where Sarah gets her following.</p>
<p>Sarahs support is a symptom of a real insecurity that is part of any transition. It makes good copy, but in the reality, it is no more significant than an itch on an amputated leg. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: balconesfault</title>
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		<dc:creator>balconesfault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;It’s fairly telling because Rasmussen polls only likely voters –not garden variety ACORN types&lt;/b&gt;

And here I thought you believed all those ACORN types voted ... at least 2 or 3 times, under different names.

You&#039;ve really got to work on making your hyperbole internally consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s fairly telling because Rasmussen polls only likely voters –not garden variety ACORN types</b></p>
<p>And here I thought you believed all those ACORN types voted &#8230; at least 2 or 3 times, under different names.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve really got to work on making your hyperbole internally consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73718</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Marcus, let&#039;s return to the fact that all the Palin bashing you and your fellow trolls have been doing isn&#039;t sticking with Americans.  Palin is now outpolling Obama on favorables.  ON the #1 leading issue for American voters, the deficit, nearly 63% of Americans think Obama isn&#039;t doing enough or what he is trying to do is failing.

Congressional Democrats&#039; favorable ratings in the toilet.

What was that about how relevant you think polling is to the discussion?  You were the guy who thought Independent had erred... did you apologize yet Troll?

Didn&#039;t think so... it&#039;s not in your character to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Marcus, let&#8217;s return to the fact that all the Palin bashing you and your fellow trolls have been doing isn&#8217;t sticking with Americans.  Palin is now outpolling Obama on favorables.  ON the #1 leading issue for American voters, the deficit, nearly 63% of Americans think Obama isn&#8217;t doing enough or what he is trying to do is failing.</p>
<p>Congressional Democrats&#8217; favorable ratings in the toilet.</p>
<p>What was that about how relevant you think polling is to the discussion?  You were the guy who thought Independent had erred&#8230; did you apologize yet Troll?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t think so&#8230; it&#8217;s not in your character to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73716</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus, troll, you asked: &quot;And where the hell did I claim she would be running in 2012 then?&quot;

Here, at #31, my ferret huslting friend when you said: &quot;Huckabee probably won’t be the GOP nominee in 2012, but he would be one hell of a lot tougher and better than Sarah Palin (in 2012).&quot;

Marcus, sweetie, the TrollTribe has been posting here in new, faux-names and inventing characters faster than Democrats can sign up for hair plug replacements.  If  you haven&#039;t been watching or paying attention, I think you might want to get in on their morning meetings when they plan out the day of attacking conservtiave and GOP blogs.  It&#039;ll help you get a touch coordinated.

And better in tune, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus, troll, you asked: &#8220;And where the hell did I claim she would be running in 2012 then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here, at #31, my ferret huslting friend when you said: &#8220;Huckabee probably won’t be the GOP nominee in 2012, but he would be one hell of a lot tougher and better than Sarah Palin (in 2012).&#8221;</p>
<p>Marcus, sweetie, the TrollTribe has been posting here in new, faux-names and inventing characters faster than Democrats can sign up for hair plug replacements.  If  you haven&#8217;t been watching or paying attention, I think you might want to get in on their morning meetings when they plan out the day of attacking conservtiave and GOP blogs.  It&#8217;ll help you get a touch coordinated.</p>
<p>And better in tune, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: mlindroo</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73676</link>
		<dc:creator>mlindroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mi-GOPer wrote:
&gt; What part of no don’t you get, my democrat-dense troll? 
&gt; Sarah isn’t running in 2012, my intellectually-challenged troll.

And where the hell did I claim she would be running in 2012 then?!?!
All I did was point out that HUCKABEE seems more electable than Palin.
And I have also pointed out the fallacy of comparing favorability and job approval.

Not that it stops you from calling me and just about anybody else in this forum names, for that matter.



Mi-GOPer wrote:
  // Nov 20, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Ahh Mr Face returns with yet another posting… so, Mr Face, 
which troll characters are you playing today for the Tribe? 
Mr Face? Kanzeon? Balconesfault? TeaBagged?


// Nov 21, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Mr. Face, the newest redux in the multiple-named Troll Tribe family of democrat activsts says: 

// Nov 21, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Thanks for making my point about the fictionalized spin from the far left Troll Tribe here that she isn’t the leader of the GOP… 
it’s nice when you guys step in your feces and prove truth need not be your worst enemy.


// Nov 21, 2009 at 11:23 pm
So, you’re wrong. Stick to reading the tea leaves over at the DNC and find a way to help Obama get Clinton-ized… 


// Nov 21, 2009 at 11:30 pm
You’re a troll here to do nothing more than annoy and irritate… and disrupt the conversation. Like with all the other Troll Tribe creatures. That’s your problem and there’s no escaping it, troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mi-GOPer wrote:<br />
&gt; What part of no don’t you get, my democrat-dense troll?<br />
&gt; Sarah isn’t running in 2012, my intellectually-challenged troll.</p>
<p>And where the hell did I claim she would be running in 2012 then?!?!<br />
All I did was point out that HUCKABEE seems more electable than Palin.<br />
And I have also pointed out the fallacy of comparing favorability and job approval.</p>
<p>Not that it stops you from calling me and just about anybody else in this forum names, for that matter.</p>
<p>Mi-GOPer wrote:<br />
  // Nov 20, 2009 at 2:52 pm<br />
Ahh Mr Face returns with yet another posting… so, Mr Face,<br />
which troll characters are you playing today for the Tribe?<br />
Mr Face? Kanzeon? Balconesfault? TeaBagged?</p>
<p>// Nov 21, 2009 at 4:24 pm<br />
Mr. Face, the newest redux in the multiple-named Troll Tribe family of democrat activsts says: </p>
<p>// Nov 21, 2009 at 4:38 pm<br />
Thanks for making my point about the fictionalized spin from the far left Troll Tribe here that she isn’t the leader of the GOP…<br />
it’s nice when you guys step in your feces and prove truth need not be your worst enemy.</p>
<p>// Nov 21, 2009 at 11:23 pm<br />
So, you’re wrong. Stick to reading the tea leaves over at the DNC and find a way to help Obama get Clinton-ized… </p>
<p>// Nov 21, 2009 at 11:30 pm<br />
You’re a troll here to do nothing more than annoy and irritate… and disrupt the conversation. Like with all the other Troll Tribe creatures. That’s your problem and there’s no escaping it, troll.</p>
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		<title>By: mlindroo</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73673</link>
		<dc:creator>mlindroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiGOPer wrote:
&gt; Rasmussen, indeed, has Palin’s favorables at 51% this weekend. 

I have seen the poll, and it is part of Palin&#039;s Pollster.com average too.

Why is this particular poll (and Fox) apparently considered particularly important, by the way?!?! 
The recent CBS News, PPP, ABC, YouGov polls found her negatives to be much higher and her average isn&#039;t that great.
---
Anyway, let&#039;s return to Independent&#039;s original claims:

&gt; mrs palin has 51% favorables

Correct...according to a single Rasmussen poll, 51% of Americans have a favorable view of her. 


&gt; mr obama has slipped from 71% to 49% favorable in less than a year

That&#039;s Obama&#039;s JOB APPROVAL rating, apparently. 
See http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history 

Like I said, these are two entirely different things. You may compare Obama&#039;s, Pelosi&#039;s and Palin&#039;s personal favorability ratings, but  job approval is not directly related to it.

MARCU$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiGOPer wrote:<br />
&gt; Rasmussen, indeed, has Palin’s favorables at 51% this weekend. </p>
<p>I have seen the poll, and it is part of Palin&#8217;s Pollster.com average too.</p>
<p>Why is this particular poll (and Fox) apparently considered particularly important, by the way?!?!<br />
The recent CBS News, PPP, ABC, YouGov polls found her negatives to be much higher and her average isn&#8217;t that great.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Anyway, let&#8217;s return to Independent&#8217;s original claims:</p>
<p>&gt; mrs palin has 51% favorables</p>
<p>Correct&#8230;according to a single Rasmussen poll, 51% of Americans have a favorable view of her. </p>
<p>&gt; mr obama has slipped from 71% to 49% favorable in less than a year</p>
<p>That&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s JOB APPROVAL rating, apparently.<br />
See <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history</a> </p>
<p>Like I said, these are two entirely different things. You may compare Obama&#8217;s, Pelosi&#8217;s and Palin&#8217;s personal favorability ratings, but  job approval is not directly related to it.</p>
<p>MARCU$</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73664</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marcus at #31 brings out the ol&#039; tired straw man again: &quot;Huckabee probably won’t be the GOP nominee in 2012, but he would be one hell of a lot tougher and better than Sarah Palin. &quot;

Sarah isn&#039;t running in 2012, my intellectually-challenged troll.  She isn&#039;t the preferred candidate; she&#039;s positioning herself for a media punditry spot that pays.

What part of no don&#039;t you get, my democrat-dense troll?  Oh, that&#039;s right... you keep the fiction alive because you think it helps you discredit GOPers... yeah, about that &quot;Palin stain&quot; that the Troll Tribe thinks afflicts the GOP... lol.  Too funny.  51% and climbing.  Passes the President even on his best day.  Too funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcus at #31 brings out the ol&#8217; tired straw man again: &#8220;Huckabee probably won’t be the GOP nominee in 2012, but he would be one hell of a lot tougher and better than Sarah Palin. &#8221;</p>
<p>Sarah isn&#8217;t running in 2012, my intellectually-challenged troll.  She isn&#8217;t the preferred candidate; she&#8217;s positioning herself for a media punditry spot that pays.</p>
<p>What part of no don&#8217;t you get, my democrat-dense troll?  Oh, that&#8217;s right&#8230; you keep the fiction alive because you think it helps you discredit GOPers&#8230; yeah, about that &#8220;Palin stain&#8221; that the Troll Tribe thinks afflicts the GOP&#8230; lol.  Too funny.  51% and climbing.  Passes the President even on his best day.  Too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
		<link>http://www.frumforum.com/palins-heartland-appeal/comment-page-2#comment-73660</link>
		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlankHead tries to keep the &quot;Defend the SSS Obama&quot; against all foes a&#039;float but it&#039;s a failing him.

Rasmussen reports that Obama&#039;s Presidential Approval Index stands at a negative 13... one of the lowest ratings to date for the Obama Messiah.  That&#039;s negative 13.  Ouch.

It&#039;s fairly telling because Rasmussen polls only likely voters --not garden variety ACORN types gathered from under the bridges by the short yellow bus.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

And Rasmussen separates it out as those likely voters who most dislike the Obama Messiah against those who still think he can walk on water while shootin&#039; da hoops.  Negative numbers mean there are more who strongly dislike than strongly support anymore... down from the legendary days of double-digit plus figures... now, Michele is the only one with a plus figure.

The intensity factor tells us he&#039;s losing his base and those strongly opposed to him grows at a rate that should scare the bee-jebbers out of Rahm the Chief Thug.

Of course, spinmasters like BlankHead are unfazed... the Obama Messiah can still walk on water again... we just need to get more school age kids singing &quot;mmmmm, mmmm, mmm Barack Hussein Obama&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlankHead tries to keep the &#8220;Defend the SSS Obama&#8221; against all foes a&#8217;float but it&#8217;s a failing him.</p>
<p>Rasmussen reports that Obama&#8217;s Presidential Approval Index stands at a negative 13&#8230; one of the lowest ratings to date for the Obama Messiah.  That&#8217;s negative 13.  Ouch.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fairly telling because Rasmussen polls only likely voters &#8211;not garden variety ACORN types gathered from under the bridges by the short yellow bus.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll</a></p>
<p>And Rasmussen separates it out as those likely voters who most dislike the Obama Messiah against those who still think he can walk on water while shootin&#8217; da hoops.  Negative numbers mean there are more who strongly dislike than strongly support anymore&#8230; down from the legendary days of double-digit plus figures&#8230; now, Michele is the only one with a plus figure.</p>
<p>The intensity factor tells us he&#8217;s losing his base and those strongly opposed to him grows at a rate that should scare the bee-jebbers out of Rahm the Chief Thug.</p>
<p>Of course, spinmasters like BlankHead are unfazed&#8230; the Obama Messiah can still walk on water again&#8230; we just need to get more school age kids singing &#8220;mmmmm, mmmm, mmm Barack Hussein Obama&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MI-GOPer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MI-GOPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think marcus you&#039;ve gotten it wrong again --your intentions in defending the Obama Messiah are transparent, once again.

Rasmussen, indeed, has Palin&#039;s favorables at 51% this weekend.  I don&#039;t know who the admonition is-- I couldn&#039;t get there either-- but you can get to the original Rasmussen survey instrument and cross tabs via my subscription here:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/toplines/pt_survey_toplines/november_2009/toplines_sarah_palin_november_13_14_2009

It&#039;s gratis for you.  Sarah Palin does have a 51% favorable.

Care to correct your mischaracterization?  I won&#039;t hold my breath, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think marcus you&#8217;ve gotten it wrong again &#8211;your intentions in defending the Obama Messiah are transparent, once again.</p>
<p>Rasmussen, indeed, has Palin&#8217;s favorables at 51% this weekend.  I don&#8217;t know who the admonition is&#8211; I couldn&#8217;t get there either&#8211; but you can get to the original Rasmussen survey instrument and cross tabs via my subscription here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/toplines/pt_survey_toplines/november_2009/toplines_sarah_palin_november_13_14_2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/toplines/pt_survey_toplines/november_2009/toplines_sarah_palin_november_13_14_2009</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s gratis for you.  Sarah Palin does have a 51% favorable.</p>
<p>Care to correct your mischaracterization?  I won&#8217;t hold my breath, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: mlindroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlindroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. And concerning overall favorability, Obama&#039;s pollster.com average ( http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php ) has always been considerably higher than Palin&#039;s ( http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php ). But I guess all pollsters are deliberately oversampling left-wing blacks and Sarah Palin really is the nation&#039;s most popular politician. Or something like that.

MARCU$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. And concerning overall favorability, Obama&#8217;s pollster.com average ( <a href="http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php</a> ) has always been considerably higher than Palin&#8217;s ( <a href="http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php</a> ). But I guess all pollsters are deliberately oversampling left-wing blacks and Sarah Palin really is the nation&#8217;s most popular politician. Or something like that.</p>
<p>MARCU$</p>
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