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July 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pm David Frum | 69 Comments |

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Sarah Palin’s most notable achievement as governor of Alaska was to increase the payout from the state’s energy tax take by $1200 per resident. Isn’t it odd then that she would use her farewell address to warn against the danger of government handouts?

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  • Chekote // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Where’s the apology for that bill of goods that was sold to us?

    Today about 31 million Iraqis have the opportunity to be free and chart their own destiny. Today, Iraqi women have equal rights and are serving as inspiration to women all over the Middle East to fight for their own equal rights. There is nothing to apologize for fighting for freedom and human rights.

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  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 8:24 am

    Re: Midcon // Jul 27, 2009 at 6:36 pm –

    “…everyone here is having a Pavlovian response…”

    Not “everyone,” Mid. (*SMILE*)

    “If you are gonna trash Palin, let’s give equal trashing to people like Dodd.”

    (*SNORT*) Hey… I’m with you, Mid – as you know – but how many times have I tried… how many times have you tried…??? (*SHRUG*)

    Mid. Check out Frum’s “Pick Up Jaw from Floor, Reinsert in Mouth” thread. Note my comment. You don’t see any follow-ups, do you…???

    (*SHRUG*)

    BILL

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Re: Sdspringy // Jul 27, 2009 at 8:30 pm –

    “You noobs on the blog pay way to much attention to the media and Frum.”

    To “defend” the noobs… (*GRIN*)

    First of all, I don’t think ANY of us pay all that much attention to Frum.

    Second… no… they have their opinions set in advance – they only use the media to supply ammo.

    (*SHRUG*)

    “Everyone want to state Palin is intellectually weak.”

    Everyone who disdains her, you mean, right?

    Palin’s OBVIOUSLY not an intellectual. That’s a far cry from being “intellectually weak.” I like Palin but I certainly don’t put her in Gingrich’s league with respect to raw intellect – do you?

    But, hey… is intellect everything…??? Does intellect trump everything else? I’d certainly say “no.” Jimmy Carter… intellectual? I’d say so. (*SHRUG*) Woodrow Wilson? Umm… YEAH.

    I’d say Palin has a bit of “Truman” in her.

    As to Biden… (*FALLING TO THE FLOOR LAUGHING*) Yep. Joe’s not going to be invited to join Mensa anytime soon. (*CHUCKLE*)

    “The base held their nose and voted for McCain…”

    Well… (*PAUSE*)… that all depends upon how you categorize “the base.” I’m the conservative base who more often than not votes for the GOP candidate, but I voted for Bob Barr this time. (*SHRUG*)

    Back in ‘92 Pappy Bush sent folks like me over the Perot. (*SHRUG*)

    Hey, Sdspringy, let me ask you… what would you think of a Gingrich-Palin ticket in ‘12? (Just curious.) (Me? I’d support it! Enthusiastically!) (I’d also support Gingrich-Giuliani…)

    Re: Midcon // Jul 27, 2009 at 8:40 pm –

    Whoa…! Mid…! Take a breath! (*GRIN*) You’re coming across as if you believe YOU represent some sort of unified block of “independents.”

    Re: Sdspringy // Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 pm –

    Springy… you too… DOWN! (*LAUGHING*) I don’t believe you need fear that Mid is gonna be supporting Obama-Biden in ‘12. (*GRIN*)

    BILL

  • brutus1791 // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Well, I am coming into this party unfashionably late. From what I see, this conversation seems to be getting nowhere. Not to the fault of the list-members, Mr. Frum does a poor impression of Socrates here….

    Neverhteless, having actually lived in Alaska; yes they do have tax rebates given to the population to try and encourage growth (businesses and inhabitants). It was so long before Palin was in office, and will continue… do you have any idea what the cost of living was?! When Pizza Hut runs an ad and says *Not valid in Hawaii and Alaska* it is because we are paying $22 for a friggin pizza.

    Mr. Frum is starting to look like Regina George from “Mean Girls” regarding Palin. Give it a rest…

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Re: Anniemargret // Jul 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm –

    You’ve actually stumbled upon the truth! Yes! No contest! I’d take Sarah Palin as POTUS any day of the week over Biden, Pelosi, or Clinton!

    (*GRIN*)

    Now, Annie… I know you’re a partisan Democrat (and appreciate that you’re up front about it!), but surely you’re not so totally submerged in Kool-Aid that you believe throwing out the names of Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Hillary Clinton is going to arouse Republicans’ collective “inner lib” to emerge and say, yeah… those are the folks I maintaining and even increasing their power.

    (*SNORT*)

    Re: Sdspringy // Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 pm –

    “…the three state solution for Iraq.”

    Actually, Springy, Biden stumbled upon the right idea there. (Probably for the wrong reasons, but still…) The problem was, this would have had to be the plan from the beginning and the Bush administration just dropped the ball totally on post-”victory” planning.

    (Anyway… I digress… perhaps a topic for another thread some day in the future.) (*SMILE*)

    Re: Anniemargret // Jul 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm –

    “…when was the last time you, or I, ever heard an apology for the 8 disastrous years of Bush and Cheney…”

    Annie. Seriously… what meds are you on? Do you rely upon mail order prescriptions?

    What a totally asinine statement! Folks like me criticize Bush constantly and did so constantly from his CAMPAIGNING days back in 1999/2000.

    What’s that psychiatric term… “Projection…???” Yeah… that’s it. (*SNORT*) You’re “projecting,” Annie.

    It was Republican conservatives who fought Bush on expanding medicare/caid prescription drug coverage. It was Republican conservatives who forced Bush to withdraw the Miers nomination. It was Republican conservatives who went ballistic on Bush’s (aborted) ports security deal.

    (*SIGH*)

    Again… snorting Kool Aid up your nose is unattractive AND painful. STOP IT!

    (*ROLLING MY FRIGG’N EYES*)

    “Over 5,000 Americans dead on the streets of Iraq, billions spent, millions ‘lost,’ thousands more maimed for life, innocents killed, and what for?”

    Not a word about the present? Not a peep about current Obama policies? Not one single word about our accelerating troop losses in Afghanistan…??? (*SIGH*)

    Annie… you’re a piece of work.

    BILL

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Re: Chekote // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:12 am –

    Listen… how many of us would vote “aye” if were were able to go back in time as federal legislators and vote for or against giving Bush carte blanche to invade Iraq?

    Not me! I was in favor of the liberation at the time, but we (the Bush administration – much of the blame accruing to Powell’s State Department and Powell’s pet poodle Bremer IMHO) screwed up and to my way of thinking whatever good may come out of it the cost – in lives and treasure – was too great.

    But, YES… that aside, of course Chekote is correct. It’s simply asinine to argue that “no good” came out of the Iraq war.

    BILL

  • midcon // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:29 am

    You mean I don’t represent all the independents? Dang! I had visions of havin a beer in the Oval Office!

  • Chekote // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Bill

    What is interesting to me is that I am sure that people like Annie are liberal because they believe in human rights, helping the poor and so on. Yet, they cannot see the good in liberating Iraq.

  • Chekote // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Well, I have been placed on “soft bans” in a couple of right wing blogs because of my “Palin rants”. This is the kind of nonsense that right wing blogs write about Palin:

    sarah palin: role model for conservative women – July 27, 2009
    she’s been simply fearless. sarah palin has stood up to the party bullies, the hypocritical and intensely jealous elites, and the blinded, salivating media. she does not apologize for being an american and is a champion of the military in service to this country. without being overly dramatic, she could almost be from american revolutionary or even pioneer times.

    Source

    Palin QUIT her job and yet she is regarded as fearless. Unbelievable! We have a HUGE problem in the GOP.

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Re: Midcon // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:29 am –

    I wonder what beer the Obama White House serves?

    BILL

  • brutus1791 // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Bill

    Yeungling Black & Tan…

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Re: Churl // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:16 pm –

    Thanks for posting that!

    (“The David Sisters…”) (*GRIN*) Gotta luv it!

    BILL

  • barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Re: Brutus1791 // Jul 28, 2009 at 12:53 pm –

    Hmm… good choice – politically as well as taste wise.

    Yeungling is my favorite “pisswater” domestic beer.

    Still… I lay my bet on Goose Island.

    (I’ll also place a side bet – a place bet – on “Two Brothers” as the dark horse.)

    BILL

  • anniemargret // Jul 28, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    I’m a left of center Democrat. previously an Independent. I come from a Eisenhower Republican family. I am liberal but I can agree from time to time with some conservative views, and I always like listening to what the opposition says. …ergo…my visiting this site where I am not sippin any Kool-Aid (no thanks to your adolescent ad hominem attacks, snortin Bill) to think I will ‘win’ any argument on THIS site!

    Do I think that some Iraqis are grateful for the removal of that petty tyrant, Saddam? Sure. But when you weigh the unfathomable costs to this war? No. He was no imminent threat, regardless how Cheney tried to sell that one itty bitty lie. You really don’t think ALL of us were duped by the ‘he’s-about-to-nuke-us’ fear mongering, do you? The costs of this war will be felt for years to come. They reported on a soldier tonight who killed himself due to lack of attention to his ‘brain disintegrating’ from the bombs. Head wound injuries and psychological problems will be a nightmare for these returning soldiers and their families.

    The cost of Iraq is too high, too high. No geopolitical move on our part will even out the terrible costs of this war.

    If Bush had put the resources in Afghanistan from the get-go, we might have made a dent there- baggged Bin Laden, and lessened the curse of the Taliban, instead of now having to increase troop levels in Afghanistan. He diverted those Afghanistan funds to Iraq, remember?

    Back to Palin. Just heard Colin Powell call her ‘fascinating’…. yeah, fascinating. No one on this site with any honesty is going to say she is in the same league as Reagan, senior Bush, Einsenhower. She’s a quitter! Fearless, they say. The only thing she is fearless about is knocking down anyone standing in her way to deposit her megabucks at the bank.

  • brutus1791 // Jul 29, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Re: barker13 // Jul 28, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Bill, I found subtle comedic value in my original post… delightfully tacky, yet unrefined. I, myself, will have Shiner Bock on tap…

  • barker13 // Jul 29, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Re: Anniemargret // Jul 28, 2009 at 7:42 pm –

    “I’m a left of center Democrat, previously an Independent.”

    (*SNORT*)

    Hmm… would that happen to translate to “I’m a left of center Democrat, previously a left of center Independent?

    Anne…. sweetee… were you deliberately mixing apples and oranges or do you not understand that one is a “team” identifier while the other is an ideological identifer?

    Or… do you simply shed ideologies the way others shed stained garments?

    “I am liberal…”

    (*CHUCKLE*) Yes. Usually when one thinks “left of center Democrat” one thinks… er… “liberal.”

    “I am not sippin any Kool-Aid (no thanks to your adolescent ad hominem attacks, snortin Bill) to think I will ‘win’ any argument on THIS site! ”

    (*LAUGHING OUT LOUD*) Oh, yeah… you’re on a roll already! (*ROLLING MY EYES IN AMUSEMENT*)

    “Do I think that some Iraqis are grateful for the removal of that petty tyrant, Saddam? Sure. But when you weigh the unfathomable costs to this war? No.”

    OK. (*TOLERANT SMILE*) You’re doing it again – mixing two distinct issues. Either “some” Iraqis (actually it’s a hell of a lot more than some – no doubt it’s most) are grateful for the removal of Saddam OR they’re not. (*SHRUG*) Whether the “unfathomable” (actually the stats ARE available, along with analysis of the intangibles) costs of the war were worth it for the United States… that’s another question. (My view? No. They weren’t.)

    “…instead of now having to increase troop levels in Afghanistan.”

    So skipping right down to your bottom line, you support Obama’s Afghanistan policies… correct?

    (*SHRUG*)

    Me? I view Afghanistan as a quagmire. (*SNORT*) (Yeah… the irony, huh?)

    As to your parting shot at Palin…

    (*YAWN*)

    BILL

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