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		<title>By: knaraya937</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ImranPakistan says -
&quot;So what you are saying is that during the partition, hindus of india were angels and but these monsters muslims killed them all? what is your nationality anyway? because i just dont want to waste my time explaining something to someone who is indian….if you are not indian but American or british Then i suggest, you study the history, and use some common sense. its common sense that both sides were involved in the killings.&quot;

Absolutely, I agree with you there - both sides were involved in the killings. No question. Hindus are not going to be standing around, waiting to be butchered by converted Muslims; they have learned from history too, when Mahmud of Ghazni invaded India and butchered thousands of unarmed Hindus in the process of conversion. 

Wake up, Pakistani. India is not going to be cowed down by  murdering thugs who dont respect the spiritual traditions of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Baha&#039;is, and other spiritual faiths who have found a free home in India over thousands of years. Now, if any groups of wretched extremists, Taliban included, wish to invade India and do mischief, they will find out the hard way that there is a different India now, who is willing to fight for their freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ImranPakistan says -<br />
&#8220;So what you are saying is that during the partition, hindus of india were angels and but these monsters muslims killed them all? what is your nationality anyway? because i just dont want to waste my time explaining something to someone who is indian….if you are not indian but American or british Then i suggest, you study the history, and use some common sense. its common sense that both sides were involved in the killings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely, I agree with you there &#8211; both sides were involved in the killings. No question. Hindus are not going to be standing around, waiting to be butchered by converted Muslims; they have learned from history too, when Mahmud of Ghazni invaded India and butchered thousands of unarmed Hindus in the process of conversion. </p>
<p>Wake up, Pakistani. India is not going to be cowed down by  murdering thugs who dont respect the spiritual traditions of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Jains, Baha&#8217;is, and other spiritual faiths who have found a free home in India over thousands of years. Now, if any groups of wretched extremists, Taliban included, wish to invade India and do mischief, they will find out the hard way that there is a different India now, who is willing to fight for their freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistan is a stapled-together artificial state, with no unifying factor other than Islam, not language, religion, or ethnicity.   Thus, if piety = patriotism, there is no grounds on which one can oppose religious extremism.

Worst of all today is the Durand line, which, typically of colonial boundaries, slices right through the Pushtun heartland, allowing the people there to slip over the border to evade authorities from Kabul or Islamabad.  This fosters a culture of banditry and lawlessness, and smuggling and extremism are rife.

Both Pakistan and Afghanistan should be split up along ethnic lines.  I doubt Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. will object to annexing the relevant areas of Afghanistan.  Pushtunistan needs to be formed from the Pushtun areas of AfPak, as does Balochistan.   The latter will help put pressure on Iran by agitating for annexation of Iran&#039;s Baloch province.  The former, being a cohesive nation-state, will be a much more viable way of reining in the Pushtun, with a government and army that can be held accountable, and with a legitimacy that Kabul and Islamabad cannot enjoy.  With a national identity based on kinship, language, land, and local commerce and culture, Pushtunistan need not be defined by Islam nor must its government buy legitimacy with religion.

Naturally Pakistan will object to this.  If the Pentagon lacks plans to seize its nukes its planning staff should be fired.  I suspect that a deal can be made with India wherein the Punjab, etc. can each be given independence and unified with the relevant Indian province in exchange for a non nuclear guarantee enforceable by India.   If not, force it on them.  It&#039;s important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is a stapled-together artificial state, with no unifying factor other than Islam, not language, religion, or ethnicity.   Thus, if piety = patriotism, there is no grounds on which one can oppose religious extremism.</p>
<p>Worst of all today is the Durand line, which, typically of colonial boundaries, slices right through the Pushtun heartland, allowing the people there to slip over the border to evade authorities from Kabul or Islamabad.  This fosters a culture of banditry and lawlessness, and smuggling and extremism are rife.</p>
<p>Both Pakistan and Afghanistan should be split up along ethnic lines.  I doubt Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. will object to annexing the relevant areas of Afghanistan.  Pushtunistan needs to be formed from the Pushtun areas of AfPak, as does Balochistan.   The latter will help put pressure on Iran by agitating for annexation of Iran&#8217;s Baloch province.  The former, being a cohesive nation-state, will be a much more viable way of reining in the Pushtun, with a government and army that can be held accountable, and with a legitimacy that Kabul and Islamabad cannot enjoy.  With a national identity based on kinship, language, land, and local commerce and culture, Pushtunistan need not be defined by Islam nor must its government buy legitimacy with religion.</p>
<p>Naturally Pakistan will object to this.  If the Pentagon lacks plans to seize its nukes its planning staff should be fired.  I suspect that a deal can be made with India wherein the Punjab, etc. can each be given independence and unified with the relevant Indian province in exchange for a non nuclear guarantee enforceable by India.   If not, force it on them.  It&#8217;s important.</p>
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		<title>By: netizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imranpakistan wrote:
 &quot;i wish for more mumbai attacks in the future…&quot;

IS THAT supposed to intimidate me or upset me?!! which one!

Don&#039;t know where you are. It looks like tracking your IP address and 
monitoring you may be useful for FBI. You sound like yet another
terrorist.

Begging and terrorism are the only things you seem to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imranpakistan wrote:<br />
 &#8220;i wish for more mumbai attacks in the future…&#8221;</p>
<p>IS THAT supposed to intimidate me or upset me?!! which one!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know where you are. It looks like tracking your IP address and<br />
monitoring you may be useful for FBI. You sound like yet another<br />
terrorist.</p>
<p>Begging and terrorism are the only things you seem to know.</p>
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		<title>By: harkol</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imranpakistan:  Just read your comments again  and try and ask this question - Does India need any PR of its own at all to show the world a contrast between Pakistan and India?

No PR ever works, unless the underlying product is sell-able. 

As for your comments that Pakistan will sink by taking India along with it. I can believe that. That is why we don&#039;t want it to sink. You see Indians don&#039;t have a death wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imranpakistan:  Just read your comments again  and try and ask this question &#8211; Does India need any PR of its own at all to show the world a contrast between Pakistan and India?</p>
<p>No PR ever works, unless the underlying product is sell-able. </p>
<p>As for your comments that Pakistan will sink by taking India along with it. I can believe that. That is why we don&#8217;t want it to sink. You see Indians don&#8217;t have a death wish.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFL // Nov 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm

 &quot;I base my information on the book “Freedom at Midnight” by Dominque Lapierre and Larry Collins, published in 1975.&quot;

........I read this book a very long time ago and to be honest I can&#039;t remember it&#039;s conclusions although there have since been many other books on this subject......Mountbatten had a deadline from the Attlee govt and was under enormous pressure from Nehru to bring matters to a conclusion......six months or even a year wouldn&#039;t have made a bit of difference to the eventual outcome.....India and Pakistan are conducting an undeclared war over Kashmir sixty years later so you think they were going to amicably agree boundaries in another six months.....the population transfers totalled about 14 million people and large numbers of fatalities......at one time this was claimed to be over a million but much doubt has been thrown on this number and personally I believe it was probably around the lower 300,000 many of whom were muslims contrary to your original claim......this was much bigger than anything Mountbatten could handle.....once Lord Radcliffe had drawn the borders that were a by product of Jinnah&#039;s insistence on a separate state all he could do was get out of the way and let events take their course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFL // Nov 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm</p>
<p> &#8220;I base my information on the book “Freedom at Midnight” by Dominque Lapierre and Larry Collins, published in 1975.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..I read this book a very long time ago and to be honest I can&#8217;t remember it&#8217;s conclusions although there have since been many other books on this subject&#8230;&#8230;Mountbatten had a deadline from the Attlee govt and was under enormous pressure from Nehru to bring matters to a conclusion&#8230;&#8230;six months or even a year wouldn&#8217;t have made a bit of difference to the eventual outcome&#8230;..India and Pakistan are conducting an undeclared war over Kashmir sixty years later so you think they were going to amicably agree boundaries in another six months&#8230;..the population transfers totalled about 14 million people and large numbers of fatalities&#8230;&#8230;at one time this was claimed to be over a million but much doubt has been thrown on this number and personally I believe it was probably around the lower 300,000 many of whom were muslims contrary to your original claim&#8230;&#8230;this was much bigger than anything Mountbatten could handle&#8230;..once Lord Radcliffe had drawn the borders that were a by product of Jinnah&#8217;s insistence on a separate state all he could do was get out of the way and let events take their course</p>
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		<title>By: imranpakistan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>netizen,
i wish for more mumbai attacks in the future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>netizen,<br />
i wish for more mumbai attacks in the future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: imranpakistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>imranpakistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>netizen,

dont worry,  people like you make me wana say okay to sending more people to india to ensure you people are ruined as well.  If we go down...i promise,,,we will take u with us...if we can make nuclear weapons then we know how to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>netizen,</p>
<p>dont worry,  people like you make me wana say okay to sending more people to india to ensure you people are ruined as well.  If we go down&#8230;i promise,,,we will take u with us&#8230;if we can make nuclear weapons then we know how to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: netizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>netizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Analysis Mr.Komireddy. Good follow-up to your earlier article in the Guardian.

Imranpakistan:
You wrote &quot;The reporter is bias.People like me are outrage at hindus&quot;.

First of all you expose your illiteracy by writing English liks this.  62 years you have spent in terrorism, hate-mongering and have produced a failed state, variously described as &quot;terrorism central&quot; and &quot;international migraine&quot;. We cannot expect you to be literate!

In your long rant you haven&#039;t convinced anyone why people should not believe Komireddy but believe your propaganda i mean hate-filled terrorist lies.

About your grievance on Indian bloggers&#039; warfare:
LOL!!

What were you thinking when you send terrorists to shoot at unarmed civilians at train stations and hotels???

Yes,there are lot more of us. Immediate retaliatory strikes may not be the right way for us to respond. Although that option is not off the table entirely if you try such terrorism again. We have made you pay for your terrorism and continue to work on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Analysis Mr.Komireddy. Good follow-up to your earlier article in the Guardian.</p>
<p>Imranpakistan:<br />
You wrote &#8220;The reporter is bias.People like me are outrage at hindus&#8221;.</p>
<p>First of all you expose your illiteracy by writing English liks this.  62 years you have spent in terrorism, hate-mongering and have produced a failed state, variously described as &#8220;terrorism central&#8221; and &#8220;international migraine&#8221;. We cannot expect you to be literate!</p>
<p>In your long rant you haven&#8217;t convinced anyone why people should not believe Komireddy but believe your propaganda i mean hate-filled terrorist lies.</p>
<p>About your grievance on Indian bloggers&#8217; warfare:<br />
LOL!!</p>
<p>What were you thinking when you send terrorists to shoot at unarmed civilians at train stations and hotels???</p>
<p>Yes,there are lot more of us. Immediate retaliatory strikes may not be the right way for us to respond. Although that option is not off the table entirely if you try such terrorism again. We have made you pay for your terrorism and continue to work on that.</p>
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		<title>By: imranpakistan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,

Before you even start to read this article, u must pay attention to the reporter.  He is indian.  He will be bias. I have read his previous articles and he has nothing positive to say about Pakistan.  He is looking for anything negative to score points in the west and preach people in the west on how peace loving country india is or has been through out the history.  I wonder why this hindu reporter has not written about India as a failed state.

&quot;India marketing itself as a democracy is one of the biggest public relation scam.&quot;

Please watch this 10 minute video
India a failed state
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUiWDUBAZw


Also,

&quot; DFL // Nov 18, 2009 at 3:08 pm 
Excellent essay. I would add three items. First, the massive bloodletting after partition in 1947 was almost entirely at the hands of Muslims.&quot;

So what you are saying is that during the partition, hindus of india were angels and but these monsters muslims killed them all?  what is your nationality anyway?  because i just dont want to waste my time explaining something to someone who is indian....if you are not indian but American or british Then i suggest, you study the history, and use some common sense.  its common sense that both sides were involved in the killings.

Also, All you readers, please type Kashmir killing in youtube.  There is a documentary done on kashmir and the brutal killings of kashmiri people by indian army.  This has hardly been discussed in the media.  As i have said already, Kapil Komireddi the reporter will not discuss the killing of innocent kashmiris because he is indian.  He will only do this propaganda against Pakistan.  The reporter is bias.  I have written a letter to authorities to ban such people from entry into the country.  The fact is that this is not reporting.  Indian people are at cyber war against Pakistan.  Due to the large population of indian people abroad, they have started working for large news media where they can just concentrate on defaming Pakistan.  On other hand, very few people from pakistan are reporters in the west and even if there are, they tend to concentrate on internal matters instead of propaganada against india.

People like me are outrage at hindus reporters and suspicious.  Any negative news on pakistan you see in the news, majority of it is written by hindus from india.

I trust neutral media people such and American/british.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>Before you even start to read this article, u must pay attention to the reporter.  He is indian.  He will be bias. I have read his previous articles and he has nothing positive to say about Pakistan.  He is looking for anything negative to score points in the west and preach people in the west on how peace loving country india is or has been through out the history.  I wonder why this hindu reporter has not written about India as a failed state.</p>
<p>&#8220;India marketing itself as a democracy is one of the biggest public relation scam.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please watch this 10 minute video<br />
India a failed state<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUiWDUBAZw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUiWDUBAZw</a></p>
<p>Also,</p>
<p>&#8221; DFL // Nov 18, 2009 at 3:08 pm<br />
Excellent essay. I would add three items. First, the massive bloodletting after partition in 1947 was almost entirely at the hands of Muslims.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what you are saying is that during the partition, hindus of india were angels and but these monsters muslims killed them all?  what is your nationality anyway?  because i just dont want to waste my time explaining something to someone who is indian&#8230;.if you are not indian but American or british Then i suggest, you study the history, and use some common sense.  its common sense that both sides were involved in the killings.</p>
<p>Also, All you readers, please type Kashmir killing in youtube.  There is a documentary done on kashmir and the brutal killings of kashmiri people by indian army.  This has hardly been discussed in the media.  As i have said already, Kapil Komireddi the reporter will not discuss the killing of innocent kashmiris because he is indian.  He will only do this propaganda against Pakistan.  The reporter is bias.  I have written a letter to authorities to ban such people from entry into the country.  The fact is that this is not reporting.  Indian people are at cyber war against Pakistan.  Due to the large population of indian people abroad, they have started working for large news media where they can just concentrate on defaming Pakistan.  On other hand, very few people from pakistan are reporters in the west and even if there are, they tend to concentrate on internal matters instead of propaganada against india.</p>
<p>People like me are outrage at hindus reporters and suspicious.  Any negative news on pakistan you see in the news, majority of it is written by hindus from india.</p>
<p>I trust neutral media people such and American/british.</p>
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		<title>By: DFL</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I base my information on the book &quot;Freedom at Midnight&quot; by Dominque Lapierre and Larry Collins, published in 1975.  They interviewed Mountbatten extensively for the book which, of course, whitewashed him to a great degree.

&quot;Freedom at Midnight&quot; criticizes Mountbatten only in the speed of transition, which the authors indicate was made at Mountbatten&#039;s personal insistance and not at the Attlee government&#039;s insistence.  If memory serves, the Attlee government did not expect the transition to independence to occur until 1948 and was surprised with Mountbatten&#039;s more hurried approach.  The rush to independence without thorough security safeguards seems to have been a major cause for the violence.  The flight of peoples, Hindu and Muslim, to the country they felt more comfortable living in was done in a rushed, chaotic manner and Mountbatten&#039;s rash decision caused that to happen.  As it happened,  the Hindus and Muslims soldiers in the Indian Army performed professionally and without regard to religion but they were overwhelmed by the multitude of local conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I base my information on the book &#8220;Freedom at Midnight&#8221; by Dominque Lapierre and Larry Collins, published in 1975.  They interviewed Mountbatten extensively for the book which, of course, whitewashed him to a great degree.</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom at Midnight&#8221; criticizes Mountbatten only in the speed of transition, which the authors indicate was made at Mountbatten&#8217;s personal insistance and not at the Attlee government&#8217;s insistence.  If memory serves, the Attlee government did not expect the transition to independence to occur until 1948 and was surprised with Mountbatten&#8217;s more hurried approach.  The rush to independence without thorough security safeguards seems to have been a major cause for the violence.  The flight of peoples, Hindu and Muslim, to the country they felt more comfortable living in was done in a rushed, chaotic manner and Mountbatten&#8217;s rash decision caused that to happen.  As it happened,  the Hindus and Muslims soldiers in the Indian Army performed professionally and without regard to religion but they were overwhelmed by the multitude of local conflicts.</p>
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